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TreasureKY -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:16:47 AM)
RS... You throw an awful lot of your personal preferences into your definition of slave. For you, that works great, but I would imagine that for quite a few people, your measuring stick doesn't set the standard. Personally, I would say that unless you purchased or took possession of a woman without her consent or consideration for her preferences, you've never really had a slave. I don't care how many people have agreed to let you call the shots with regard to them for a bit... if they had the ability to decide whether to be with you or the choice to leave you, they were no slave. But I don't operate under any delusions that you care for one minute what I think. [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist ... You identify as a slave but no one else would think you one. Problem number one... presuming to speak for all people. quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist ... it is your duty to inform your owner that doing something would hurt you but it is not your choice. lol... I can see it now... the young negro slave tied to a whipping post and his master raising the whip for the impending blow... "Massa... it's ma duty to lets yous know this is gonna hurt me. Jus sayin..." I suppose failure to do so would have made him not a real slave. [;)] quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist ... Knowing that having a slave ring your nipple makes you more appealing than a woman without pierced nipples is a big thing. I can’t imagine a slave that wouldn’t want to be more appealing to her Master. I can’t imagine a slave that wouldn’t want her nipples constantly in her Master’s mind so that every time he looked at her he knew there was a pair of service rings hanging from the nipples of his property. If your Master asked you to pierce your nipples and you had a sexual mind, you wouldn’t hesitate for heartbeat because you know you would be getting laid twice as often. Also, a property tag on a loop hanging from your hood and bouncing against your clit all day long is another standard method of marking slaves. Imagine your owner’s name on a steel tag that’s banging against your clit every time you walk… That is a big deal. What? Real masters have their slave's nipples pierced... real masters find pierced nipples to be appealing... real masters want their slaves as sexual objects? Since when does it matter what a slave thinks? You seem to be operating under the assumption that a real slave desires nothing more than to please their master... that a real slave wants to get laid and be the sexual object of their master's attention... that a real slave longs to constantly be sexually reminded of their status... lol... Tell that to the thralls, the helots, the seikō, the romusha... etc. But wait... we're not talking about real slavery, are we? We're talking about consensual relationships. As far as I know, there aren't any hard and fast rules. I understand your underlying assertion that if a person agrees to truly become the property of someone else, that they give up their right to pick and choose when to obey... I don't really disagree. However, I also understand the concept that people generally only enter into relationships once they are comfortable that they can handle what would be expected of them. I read opposingtwilight's comments to mean that she would never enter into an M/s relationship with a dominant who would require her to pierce her nipples. If criteria for who we would enter into a relationship with starts coloring our definitions, it's a slippery slope from there. What if a master's preferences and desires match those of his slave? Does that mean they aren't really a slave? If you were to own a slave who never opposed anything you did or asked, does that mean you aren't really a master?

missturbation -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:22:12 AM)
Phew!! Thought i was being over sensitive in what i'd read and my response [:D]

Leatherist -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:24:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation Phew!! Thought i was being over sensitive in what i'd read and my response [:D] Eric does tend to be a bit "one true way" in a lot of his expressions-but at least he HAS done this in real life. As opposed to the annoying fucktards here that have only read about it-and "know it all" form jerking off to bad pornography. [:D]

CruelDesires -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:24:46 AM)
In reply to the thread itself... My perception of one thing is right. Your perception is wrong. In some cases I see people arguing about their perceptions of things rather then definitions. The IE thread down in the "ask a Master" forum for example. Wouldn't it be better if they adapted the certain type of philosophy of, my ideal world is a square hole. I am looking for square blocks to fill it and interact with. Although you are a round block, I can still respect you as a person but... you perceive things different and we would not be compatible. Rather then just dismissing them as fake? Absolutes are all well and good but the can be self-defeating in the sense that they may show that someone is close-minded and does not want to learn and grow. C-D

Leatherist -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:28:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CruelDesires In reply to the thread itself... My perception of one thing is right. Your perception is wrong. In some cases I see people arguing about their perceptions of things rather then definitions. The IE thread down in the "ask a Master" forum for example. Wouldn't it be better if they adapted the certain type of philosophy of, my ideal world is a square hole. I am looking for square blocks to fill it and interact with. Although you are a round block, I can still respect you as a person but... you perceive things different and we would not be compatible. Rather then just dismissing them as fake? Absolutes are all well and good but the can be self-defeating in the sense that they may show that someone is close-minded and does not want to learn and grow. C-D My entire point in this topic was about inexperienced people who try to make something they imagine while thier fingers are in thier snatches "real" While ignoring the practical realities of what the status they seem to seek entails. And then calling "fake" on people who actually do it. It just seemed a bit amusing.

RCdc -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:37:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Eric does tend to be a bit "one true way" in a lot of his expressions-but at least he HAS done this in real life. As opposed to the annoying fucktards here that have only read about it-and "know it all" form jerking off to bad pornography. [:D] yawns Is this going to become one of those, 'he/she is really great because i know they dun it' threads? The original post mentioned NOTHING about actual life interaction as a slave. It mentioned skill setswhich is entirely different and could be seperate. If it was suppose to be a thread about who is 'real and true' and who has really'donethedeed' and be swanning around defining everyones self definition as wrong because Isay so, then at least be upfront about it. You do not have to have actual experience to be able to write in a profile what skills you may or may not have. And skills in themselves do not a slave/master/pilot/car driver make. You can post them in a profile all you like, but that is no different to bragging how good a slave one is in a profile. quote: I have a slaveheart. I can iron. I am no limits. I give great head. I have slave experience to someone of 30 years. I have a masters degree in nutrition. I can make a bed to army standard. I am a masochist. None of these are relevant facts to the person - only a shopping list of greatness. the.dark.

Leatherist -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:42:35 AM)
Wrong. They would be of interest to me. I like to know that someone can do things, rather then just yammer about them.

TheGaggingWh0re -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:51:59 AM)
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poisonedprogress -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:53:20 AM)
Well here it is. The final answer to all the questions. If you don't jump through all my arbitrary hoops, you aren't a slave. Period. Even if I don't own you. If your relationship does not meet my personal standards regarding what a D/s relationship should be, you aren't a slave. If you don't hack your arm off with a rusty butterknife when I say go, as a symbol of my ownership, you aren't a slave.

RCdc -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:54:03 AM)
I never stated they aren't of interest. But there is no reason to assume that everyone wants to know how well someone can iron, just as not everyone wants to know someone has a 'slaves heart'. If the profile does not contain that which makes you sit up and take notice, that does not make them less of a slave or more fake, just as in reverse, you are not fake. And what is it is about play for some people? So what? Play is an integralpart of many clubs and functions - maybe people like to play and go home and be mr barrister or mrs teacher and not wnt a relationship. Again, doesn't negate their choice, just makes them (possibly) not your kinda 'slave'. It is a compatablity issue, not a 'defineme.defineyou' issue. But I really fail seeing why someone who you might know or hear of 'doing the deed' is more capable and why it is more acceptable to see them generalise than someone who you cannot claim to know shit about? I, and many others don't give a shit about whether RS has onhand expereince or not. Doesn't make his words any more worthy than another persons and nor does it make them more acceptable because you say 'he's ok' and give him the thumbs up. If the words are shit and generalistic, they are shit and generalistic - no matter who is uttering them. the.dark.

Leatherist -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 7:57:48 AM)
Rusty butterknife fetish? Oh yes, I believe that belongs to "the straw man" [:D]

poisonedprogress -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 8:07:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Rusty butterknife fetish? Oh yes, I believe that belongs to "the straw man" [:D] Because refusal to accept a symbol of ownership, for any reason, invalidates the "title" of slave entirely. I hereby declare it. Implying the absence of a line is not a straw man.

Leatherist -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 8:13:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: poisonedprogress quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Rusty butterknife fetish? Oh yes, I believe that belongs to "the straw man" [:D] Because refusal to accept a symbol of ownership, for any reason, invalidates the "title" of slave entirely. Implying the absence of a line is not a straw man. Fear mongering is to invoke the straw man. Invoking the straw man shows you have already lost the argument. Anyone who does this in real life is quite aware of reasonable limits. Please don't insult our intelligence by throwing out ludicrous statements like these. My issue with "umbrella people" is that they seek to dilute everything to the lowest common denominator. If something can mean anything-it soon means nothing. And brings nothing but confusion and chaos.

FlamingRedhead -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 8:27:39 AM)
1. I can cook things that are frozen, in a box or in a can. 2. I can do laundry and iron big wrinkles in while getting small wrinkles out. 3. I can run a dishwasher all by myself. 4. I live to clean the bathroom, but alas, the toxic fumes from cleaning products give me a headache and nausea. cough cough 5. I'm a masochist. 6. I'm a sadist. 7. I'll do almost anything for chocolate. 8. I'm a medical transcriptionist. 9. I can unbalance a checkbook in a single month. 10. I can get away with almost anything 'cause I'm that damn cute (seriously). Daddy has convinced me that little girls are almost slaves....so I guess that means I can almost do a lot of things. giggle

poisonedprogress -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 8:33:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist Fear mongering is to invoke the straw man. Invoking the straw man shows you have already lost the argument. Pretending I'm fear-mongering and then pretending that fear-mongering is a straw man means YOU have already lost the argument. Declaring victory rules. quote: Anyone who does this in real life is quite aware of reasonable limits. And how is piercing not a reasonable limit? quote: Please don't insult our intelligence by throwing out ludicrous statements like these. Again, implying the absence of a line is not a straw man. I know people with crippling phobias of needles who would rather die than get stuck. Tattoos and piercings are out of the question for them. The butter knife analogy was actually theirs, I just applied it to symbols of ownership, with the point being that refusal to accept a symbol of ownership for any reason does not invalidate the title of slave. If refusing to get pierced renders your slave title invalid, why doesn't refusing to do the lindy hop? You seem to be telling me, in response to my suggestion that there is no line, that there is in fact a line drawn somewhere. Where that line is drawn is completely arbitrary. You apparently draw it at rusty butter knife amputation. Others draw it at piercing. Does one invalidate the title of slave while the other doesn't? Why? quote: My issue with "umbrella people" is that they seek to dilute everything to the lowest common denominator. If something can mean anything-it soon means nothing. And brings nothing but confusion and chaos. I think the same of people who attempt to define other peoples' relationships based on completely arbitrary personal preferences. For instance, I hereby declare that you are not a master unless you can breakdance.

LadyPact -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 9:37:16 AM)
If I may..... quote: ORIGINAL: poisonedprogress And how is piercing not a reasonable limit? I would suggest that piercing is perhaps a reasonable limit. However, many would argue that it is not a rational limit. I say this due to your following lines. quote: Again, implying the absence of a line is not a straw man. I know people with crippling phobias of needles who would rather die than get stuck. Tattoos and piercings are out of the question for them. The butter knife analogy was actually theirs, I just applied it to symbols of ownership, with the point being that refusal to accept a symbol of ownership for any reason does not invalidate the title of slave. If refusing to get pierced renders your slave title invalid, why doesn't refusing to do the lindy hop? A phobia is by definition (from Greek: φόβος, phobos, "fear"), is an irrational, intense, persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, or persons. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive, unreasonable desire to avoid the feared subject. When the fear is beyond one's control, or if the fear is interfering with daily life, then a diagnosis under one of the anxiety disorders can be made. This, to Me, seems less than a rational fear of the dangers of a rusty butter knife. I also highly doubt that there are many with any type of phobia to the lindy hop. quote: You seem to be telling me, in response to my suggestion that there is no line, that there is in fact a line drawn somewhere. Where that line is drawn is completely arbitrary. You apparently draw it at rusty butter knife amputation. Others draw it at piercing. Does one invalidate the title of slave while the other doesn't? Why? I would go back the the rational vrs irrational theory. Btw, I'm not knocking anyone with an irrational fear of needles. My own sub has a hard limit of needles for an entirely different reason, and it has always been respected. I have an irrational fear of My own, though it does happen to be a different one. quote: I think the same of people who attempt to define other peoples' relationships based on completely arbitrary personal preferences. For instance, I hereby declare that you are not a master unless you can breakdance. Should you go back to the OP, I actually don't think that Leatherist was define anyone's relationships. I think it was more he was mentioning his view on those who proclaim their status as a slave, without ever having lived as one.

CallaFirestormBW -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 9:43:25 AM)
For anyone who wonders or cares, like most things consensual, I have no interest in regulating what other people call themselves or the people they're in relationships with -- just consider my comments and questions on this thread (and probably many of the threads I take part in on a theoretical level) part of the insatiable curiosity about language and cultural development (especially watching countercultural elements develop their own 'mainstream') that drives me... that, and my constant search for "just the right words". Calla Firestorm

IvyMorgan -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 9:53:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: softness quote: ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan quote: ORIGINAL: Leatherist The net is a wonderful place to be whatever you want to be-even when you are not. [:D] Yep. I think most of the people who are who they say they are have met someone on the net who isn't what they sau they are. I should imagine the people who aren't what they say they are have also met people who aren't who they say they are. I wanna be the fly on the wall when the two 40 year old male 20something lesbians meet up. As it is, trying to keep track of who I really am is hard enough without having to me a fake someone too. More power to those who can juggle the real them and the fake one enough to keep track of who is who and what is what and so on. Smiles knows you are a fake ... i thought that as i sat having lunch yesterday ... this girl who is exactly who she says she is ... is well ... totally fake ... it was the cake that did it ... a twue slave would have baked a black cake ... not a pink one. D'ya know how hard it is to make a black cake? Seriously, I tried once and it came out an icky grey colour. Anyway, there were very dark brown chocolatey cakes, which you could characterise as black if you wanted. Can I have my "real" label back now, pwetty please. I'll even let you stick it on. Right hand side please smiles [See, I'm so real, I do Leather code :P]

poisonedprogress -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 10:09:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I would suggest that piercing is perhaps a reasonable limit. However, many would argue that it is not a rational limit. I say this due to your following lines. Reasonable limit indeed. quote: A phobia is by definition (from Greek: φόβος, phobos, "fear"), is an irrational, intense, persistent fear of certain situations, activities, things, or persons. The main symptom of this disorder is the excessive, unreasonable desire to avoid the feared subject. When the fear is beyond one's control, or if the fear is interfering with daily life, then a diagnosis under one of the anxiety disorders can be made. This, to Me, seems less than a rational fear of the dangers of a rusty butter knife. I also highly doubt that there are many with any type of phobia to the lindy hop. So exemptions exist for slaves with phobias? Is this in the same dictionary you got the phobia definition? quote: I would go back the the rational vrs irrational theory. Btw, I'm not knocking anyone with an irrational fear of needles. My own sub has a hard limit of needles for an entirely different reason, and it has always been respected. I have an irrational fear of My own, though it does happen to be a different one. I would suggest that the reasoning behind the limit should have no bearing on the title, since it isn't officially in any capacity to begin with. quote: Should you go back to the OP, I actually don't think that Leatherist was define anyone's relationships. I think it was more he was mentioning his view on those who proclaim their status as a slave, without ever having lived as one. Forgive me for not being more specific... my post was not in response to the OP, but rather in response to those who arbitrarily declare so-and-so is not a slave because of <insert personal preference>. In response to the OP, I'd ask if a car is still a car if it hasn't been driven. It is my understanding, via context, that the term is being used to describe the desired position in a relationship.

IvyMorgan -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 10:13:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist Come on people… D/s verses M/s, get a grip on it. You are on CollarMe, treat this place with a modicum of respect and acknowledge that “wouldn’t obey” options are only accepted in a D/s negotiated submission. That is not what a slave in a TPE does. No slave refuses to wear the steal of her Master or his mark. She is to act as property. My car never told me whether it didn’t want to wear the license plate. My slave sure as fuck would never tell me whether she would have a nipple pierced or not. Ok, this girl, when a slave, turned around and told someone who was hiring her that he could not do X on numerous occasions. This included piercings. Though, she did at the time have the full support of the One who ultimately owned her, she was still reprimanded for it. Slaves do all sorts of things you don't like, and the ones in charge of them don't like, for many different reasons. You would be hard pushed to say I was not in a TPE environment, you would be hard pushed to say it was not extreme as an environment/set up. Was I a slave, hell yes, was I treated like one (and I'm thinking Roman/whatever universe you want to call the world described by the Jewish Bible - love that description, made me smile - now) again, hell yes. Did I say no, you bet your life I did. And I was punished, and I was beaten down, but I was still a slave, and treated as such. Slaves can say no, just because you don't like yours to, doesn't mean other people don't think that theirs should have the right to, and doesn't mean that those who do aren't slaves. Perhaps a little less of the "my way is the only way" mentality?

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