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ResidentSadist -> RE: So, you are a "slave" (7/29/2008 2:20:36 PM)
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY
RS... You throw an awful lot of your personal preferences into your definition of slave. For you, that works great, but I would imagine that for quite a few people, your measuring stick doesn't set the standard.
Personally, I would say that unless you purchased or took possession of a woman without her consent or consideration for her preferences, you've never really had a slave. I don't care how many people have agreed to let you call the shots with regard to them for a bit... if they had the ability to decide whether to be with you or the choice to leave you, they were no slave.
But I don't operate under any delusions that you care for one minute what I think.
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
... You identify as a slave but no one else would think you one.
Problem number one... presuming to speak for all people.
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
... it is your duty to inform your owner that doing something would hurt you but it is not your choice.
lol... I can see it now... the young negro slave tied to a whipping post and his master raising the whip for the impending blow...
"Massa... it's ma duty to lets yous know this is gonna hurt me. Jus sayin..."
I suppose failure to do so would have made him not a real slave.
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
... Knowing that having a slave ring your nipple makes you more appealing than a woman without pierced nipples is a big thing. I can’t imagine a slave that wouldn’t want to be more appealing to her Master. I can’t imagine a slave that wouldn’t want her nipples constantly in her Master’s mind so that every time he looked at her he knew there was a pair of service rings hanging from the nipples of his property. If your Master asked you to pierce your nipples and you had a sexual mind, you wouldn’t hesitate for heartbeat because you know you would be getting laid twice as often.
Also, a property tag on a loop hanging from your hood and bouncing against your clit all day long is another standard method of marking slaves. Imagine your owner’s name on a steel tag that’s banging against your clit every time you walk… That is a big deal.
What? Real masters have their slave's nipples pierced... real masters find pierced nipples to be appealing... real masters want their slaves as sexual objects?
Since when does it matter what a slave thinks? You seem to be operating under the assumption that a real slave desires nothing more than to please their master... that a real slave wants to get laid and be the sexual object of their master's attention... that a real slave longs to constantly be sexually reminded of their status...
lol... Tell that to the thralls, the helots, the seikō, the romusha... etc.
But wait... we're not talking about real slavery, are we? We're talking about consensual relationships.
As far as I know, there aren't any hard and fast rules.
Thank you for admitting your lack of knowledge on the topic. There are specific definitions and lifestyles that we all go by. For example, TPE means Total Power Exchange… that would mean “authority transfer” not “endless negotiation” or the Dominant “asking permission to top you in a manner you find acceptable”… come on, quit fucking around and get real. I really won’t waste your time or the readers with anything further. If you don’t know the difference, then like Leatherist said, you just don’t know the difference. No my dear, there isn't a broad and undefined framework open to personal interpretation. It is very specific and has nothing to do with my person perceptions.
I understand your underlying assertion that if a person agrees to truly become the property of someone else, that they give up their right to pick and choose when to obey... I don't really disagree. However, I also understand the concept that people generally only enter into relationships once they are comfortable that they can handle what would be expected of them.
I read opposingtwilight's comments to mean that she would never enter into an M/s relationship with a dominant who would require her to pierce her nipples.
She said something very specific... and the way she said it, the mindset it took to think like that means she is not a slave. She does not surrender, retains control and only allows certain things. That is just fine and I am sure she is a wonderful submissive. Why doesnt she just call a spade a spade? Is there something wrong with being a submissive. She may be the best submissive in the world. Awesome. But she ain't no slave. I am not a Dom, I feel no better or worse about that. I am a diofferent style and I know enough not to try and pair myself with a sub. She should be self aware enough to do the same. As everhope says, "may we all find our own bliss".
Take 3 M(top) F(bottom) couples, M/s D/s & swingers. They all walk into a dungeon and the men all tell the women to strip. There are 3 entirely different scenes happening, all centered around the same actions. Now, switch partners around... tell them to strip again and no one will be happy because the meaning behind the actions don't match up.
You bet your ass self awareness and knowing why you are here and what you want from a relationship in important... it is the most important thing. Without commonality, there is no relationship.
If criteria for who we would enter into a relationship with starts coloring our definitions, it's a slippery slope from there. What if a master's preferences and desires match those of his slave? Does that mean they aren't really a slave? If you were to own a slave who never opposed anything you did or asked, does that mean you aren't really a master?
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