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kittinSol -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/30/2008 9:09:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

blows the sweet man a goodnight kiss, and wanders off to grab a kitty to cuddle with.
sweet dreams mike[:)]


Meow. Got any onion rings?




Aynne -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/30/2008 9:11:16 PM)

sadly, my kitty is not nearly so delicious as you silly girl.[;)] Fresh out of onion rings tho, share a night cap? 




servantforuse -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 5:18:20 AM)

You can blame labor unions for putting pressure on city councils around the Country to keep Walmarts out. They are behind the anti Walmart movement and have been from the start. They are flat out wrong on this issue and I have been a union member ( CWA )for close to 34 years. The AFL-CIO just hates Walmart...




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 6:28:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Do you think people that dine on fois gras actually stuff themselves with it?  Besides let's be reaslitic, that is not the issue here. However, if the practice of tube feeding ducks and geese to procure fois gras bothers you, have you ever visited a large farm? Giant factory farms where cattle are crammed in, diseased, covered in feces, and pumped with the same if not worse steriods you rant of? By the way, where I purchse the *tiny* bit of fois gras I use is 100% organic and steriod and hormone free. I can assure you that the meat in the supermarket can make no such claims. Let alone the abomination done to chickens in factory farming. Sickening.  


Yes I have, Aynne - which is why I buy all my Beef, Chicken, Lamb, Pork, and Buffalo from small local farmers that sell through a coop.  The coop maintains certain standards, and has no qualms about dumping member-producers that don't meet or exceed those standards.  In fact, one of the biggest rules for meat producers in the coop I'm a member of is that the meat has to be steroid free, antibiotic free, free range - preferably certified organic.  I buy meat specifically once a month, when I put in my coop order on the 1st to pick up around the 17th.  It was one of the reasons I joined the coop - so I could effectively speak with my purchasing dollars by Refusing to buy at the supermarket for such.  I buy the Majority of my groceries through that coop - seasonal fruits and veggies, which I'm currently canning and freezing for use through the winter are in the majority right now - whole wheat locally grown and locally milled, which I use to make my own breads rather than buying at the store, along with locally grown/milled spelt, quinoa, oats, and barley as well for the same purpose.  Whole dairy, both goat and cow - milk, cream, cheese, freerange eggs, buttermilk that's a byproduct rather than cultured - from organically raised dairy animals not pumped full of various drugs and who are free range like the meat animals are.  Locally produced honey and honeycomb and beeswax.  (The beeswax I use for things like lip balm and as part of the emulsifer for lotions.)
 
Other than things like house cleaning products, paper products, and cooking oil I spend almost no money at the grocery store these days.  It's all coop and farmer's market bought instead.
 
As for whether I think that those who actually Enjoy froi gras (which I've had and was less than impressed with, along with caviar which was just flat out nasty - and this from someone who loves Sushi and Soshimi, despite being raised around people who consider it "bait"!) - over consumption is over consumption.  I'm far from one to shun the sort of resturant that happens to have Froi Gras on the menu as a choice - but you're just as likely to see overweight folks in those as in a McD's or other fast food place.  Our collective lifestyle in the west does not particularly Encourage people not to overconsume on multiple levels - from eatting to much to having a tv in every room (I personally find it beyond ludicrous that they now sell Refriderators that have a TV and DVD/CD player in the door!!!) to buying newer/better/bigger/shinier/smaller/more-up-to-the-minute this and that.  The root of the problem is NOT the type of food being eatten - it is the mentality of overconsumption, and the fact that our society As A Whole applauds and rewards those who do so with yet more TO consume - more variety, the latest gadgets, and keeping up with the Joneses.




Aynne -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 6:42:14 AM)

I agree with most of that Rhi.  I too am a co-op member, have been for over a decade. I also grow much of my own produce. But for me, that makes me hate the mega chain food places even more because I have an awareness of what quality food is, even if you don't get into the whole animal cruelty thing. I don't really care who wants to eat there, but when McDonald's starts it' advertising campaign about it's "healthy" food, it makes me cringe. The stuff is nothing but sugar, salt, fat and god knows what elses. I do however think it is a horrible thing when I see children eating there two, three four times a week because they have no choice, and when a child is rasied to get a taste for garbage food at a young age that is not going to bode him well in later years.

And yes, americans are the champions of over consumption.  




christine1 -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 6:47:36 AM)

i have sisters who live in LA and phoenix that talk positively about co-ops.  i'm going to hve to look into if there are any in my area, they sound like a great idea.




Aynne -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 6:51:56 AM)

They really are Christine. The way the Good Tern works is you become a member for 18.00 annually and if you work only a minumum of 4 hours a month you get 25% off all of your purchases, and if you don't want to work the 4 hours, you still get 15% off. So it is a good deal.  Plus you get to know the days the deliveries are made, so you can show up and get stuff as the local famers and what not bring it in. [:D] yummy. 




rulemylife -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 7:16:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: noonnap

well they can take out what they want and put in something else but you cant make a horse drink. besides i agree with other pepole who have said i is too expensive to eat at subway compared to burger king.
oh and yeah the taxes on walks are expensive. especially when its 113 degrees outside and the nearset grocery store is two miles away and its loads of fun walking with all those groceries.
and if the walk comment was meant as in taking a walk just for health. well i would liekto but the neighbors sometimes shoot at each other or rape lone women walking alone. is that really worth a few pounds lost? nah rather be fat and alive.


Huh?  You can get a 12" inch sub for $5.  How much does a Whopper and fries cost?  Of course you do get the bonus 80 grams of fat and 1300 calories, so I guess it's worth it.




rulemylife -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 7:35:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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I don't know why they haven't taken this a step further and initiated home delivery service for groceries. How about chauffeur driven town cars? Obviously these people are disadvantaged. They've failed at providing their families with healthy food. The tread is to reward failure in this country, especially in CA and LA in particular.

There should be $5/burger, $1/fry, $3/taco; tax at the fast food places to pay for chauffeur/delivery service program. It may end up closing the fast food places, but big business deserves it because it's their fault these people make bad food choices in the first place. Besides isn't this the acceptable formula for liberal ecconomics:
Business failure = good; Individual failure = bad = Initiating more nanny government buracratic intervention.)



We sure don't want any more of that "nanny government buracratic (sic)  intervention".  Can you say Bear Stearns?  How about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?




rulemylife -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 7:57:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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I wonder when they are going to mandate exercise programs.  I mean let's face it, for some of the folks being targeted the only time they move is to go to the fridge, restroom, or to get some fast food.  Now they won't have to leave the house, as often. 


I don't think you can with adults; unless employers force them to do it like they're trying in Japan.  But you can do it in schools  Down here, Huckabee mandated more PE classes and mandatory BMI notifications for parents.  I thought it was a great idea, but our new Democratic governor has done away with it.  Healthy habits have to start at a young age. 


BMI is bullshit!  You can have such a low body fat measurement that it is considered unhealthy and still be considered obese by the BMI because it doesn't take into consideration how muscular a person is.  I don't have the link, but I remember seeing one article that that used the BMI to classify 80% of all NFL players and 65% of all MLB players as overweight or obese.




Alumbrado -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 8:00:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: christine1

i have sisters who live in LA and phoenix that talk positively about co-ops.  i'm going to hve to look into if there are any in my area, they sound like a great idea.


I've always enjoyed shopping at food co-ops...unfortunately, with the arrival of the Wild Oats mega-stores that option has vanished.




rulemylife -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 8:23:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Do you think people that dine on fois gras actually stuff themselves with it?  Besides let's be reaslitic, that is not the issue here. However, if the practice of tube feeding ducks and geese to procure fois gras bothers you, have you ever visited a large farm? Giant factory farms where cattle are crammed in, diseased, covered in feces, and pumped with the same if not worse steriods you rant of? By the way, where I purchse the *tiny* bit of fois gras I use is 100% organic and steriod and hormone free. I can assure you that the meat in the supermarket can make no such claims. Let alone the abomination done to chickens in factory farming. Sickening.  


That's sickening, but what they do to make your delicacy is not?  Interesting logic!  Or lack of!  It wasn't banned in Chicago because they didn't like the funny French name.




Thadius -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 8:38:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


BMI is bullshit!  You can have such a low body fat measurement that it is considered unhealthy and still be considered obese by the BMI because it doesn't take into consideration how muscular a person is.  I don't have the link, but I remember seeing one article that that used the BMI to classify 80% of all NFL players and 65% of all MLB players as overweight or obese.


I had a friend of mine drummed out of the Corps, because of BMI and weight, the guy was about 6% body fat.  He weighed in at 350lbs, solid muscle.  The funny part is, that as part of the process for the "overweight" folks was to put them into a program that was low fat, and lots of exercise.  He simply began to look more and more chiseled, it was like the month before a professional bodybuilder getting ready for the Mr. Olympia.  Obviously he didn't lose the weight, and was put out because that is what the pencil pushers in Washington felt they knew what an acceptable weight was, without taking into account that muscle weighs 3 times more than fat.




servantforuse -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 9:28:30 AM)

As we speak, the Milwaukee city council is trying to stop a chicken restaurant from opening in a poorer section of town (our inner city) because there are 2 there already there. At the same time they want more jobs in that section of town...Democrats at work...




Mercnbeth -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 9:30:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

~ Fast Reply ~
 
I don't know why they haven't taken this a step further and initiated home delivery service for groceries. How about chauffeur driven town cars? Obviously these people are disadvantaged. They've failed at providing their families with healthy food. The tread is to reward failure in this country, especially in CA and LA in particular.

There should be $5/burger, $1/fry, $3/taco; tax at the fast food places to pay for chauffeur/delivery service program. It may end up closing the fast food places, but big business deserves it because it's their fault these people make bad food choices in the first place. Besides isn't this the acceptable formula for liberal economics:
Business failure = good; Individual failure = bad = Initiating more nanny government bureaucratic intervention.)



We sure don't want any more of that "nanny government buracratic (sic)  intervention".  Can you say Bear Stearns?  How about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?


Absolutely correct - people and institutions should be allowed to be the failures they worked so hard to be.




Aynne -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 10:04:09 AM)

 
disagrees. I have already stated this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABeWlY0KFv8


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Aynne

Do you think people that dine on fois gras actually stuff themselves with it?  Besides let's be reaslitic, that is not the issue here. However, if the practice of tube feeding ducks and geese to procure fois gras bothers you, have you ever visited a large farm? Giant factory farms where cattle are crammed in, diseased, covered in feces, and pumped with the same if not worse steriods you rant of? By the way, where I purchse the *tiny* bit of fois gras I use is 100% organic and steriod and hormone free. I can assure you that the meat in the supermarket can make no such claims. Let alone the abomination done to chickens in factory farming. Sickening.  


That's sickening, but what they do to make your delicacy is not?  Interesting logic!  Or lack of!  It wasn't banned in Chicago because they didn't like the funny French name.




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (7/31/2008 10:45:23 AM)

I have to agree with Aynne on the benefits of the Coop system, Christine.  The one here locally where I am works a tad differently than the one she's in - but the general ideas are the same. 
 
With the one I'm in - it's a $50 one time membership fee - every person who buys or sells via the coop is a member-owner.  Ordering for the month starts at 8am on the 1st, and delivery is always made on the 3rd Thursday of the same month.  Producers log in on the last day of the month to post amounts that they expect to have available for delivery day, and can update their amounts as the month progresses to adjust for more or less production than expected.  Ordering closes (it's all done via the coop's website) on the 10th to 12th - which gives the produers a week to tally how much was ordered from them and get everyone's order labled and the prices adjusted on invoices for that month.  (Some things - meat, cheese, and some other items - are priced by the pound, so a price doesn't go on the invoice for any individual purchaser until the exact weight is known!)  The producer members of the coop offer a much wider variety than many would expect - and it's not Just food items that are available.  We have artists and artisans of various types selling everything from Paintings and Photographic Prints to custom made Jewelry, Tshirts & aprons and such to Soaps (yes, I'm becoming one of the producer members) and lotions and other handcrafted body products to laundry soap and room fresheners to candles (several made from the beeswax produced by our apiary owning member-produers!).  Food wise there are breads, free trade coffees and teas, dairy, meat, fresh fruits, fresh veggies, herbs, even some prepared items that come from producer that maintains a state inspected commercial kitchen.  (Her Red Chili Buffalo Tamales are absolutely TO DIE FOR.)  Heck, there's even producers who grow and supply Plants - annuals and perinials, edible and visual aesthetic - in season and via greenhouse. 
 
Many of us volunteer our time on delivery days to help sort orders and that sort of thing - we can either apply for work credit (done via 1099 at $7.50 per hour worked, which comes off the total of the bill) or not as we see fit.  Personally when I do volunteer time for the coop on delivery days I don't file for workcredit for it, but I know a lot of the families who buy through the coop have several family members and have a Much larger monthly food bill than I do.  (At this point, if I went back and tallied all my volunteer hours and put in for the work credit for all of it, next month's groceries would be dang near free!)  We also have volunteer work days to do things like fix or maintain our new warehouse location, help maintain the books, etc.  I frequently go to those - they're usually a lot of fun, and it's worth it to me to invest a few hours here and there throughout the month on a weekend to see things improving.  Personally I ended up donating several paintings (all landscapes and farmscapes) to hang on the walls of the offices when a request went out for such - they asked because while the offices were freshly painted and such, they looked way to austere.
 
Besides the superior quality of the food, and the emotional satisfaction of knowing that the producers are kept to a strict non-cruelty standard - there's also the benefit of being able to actually get to Know the individuals who are growing your food.  There's the benefit of keeping your shopping dollars close to home, and circulating in the Local Community to help your neighbors - who in turn help you. All in all it's a great system, and one that I would highly recommend anyone looking into - to either join a local coop if there is one, or see what would be needed to get one started if there's not.




Vendaval -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (8/1/2008 3:03:32 AM)

This is neither a Republican nor a Democrat issue.  Take a look at the city zoning laws and go to some planning commission meetings. Also, here are the Milwaukee City Council Members who can address your concerns -

http://www.ci.mil.wi.us/display/router.asp?docid=810




hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (8/1/2008 10:07:33 AM)

I got to thinking about this thread while reading   THIS  lil tidbit on the yahoo news updates that are part of that particular page.  Gives an interesting look at the over all "Health Report Card" of both fast food and other national chain resturants.
 
The authors give the criteria by which they assessed the various resturants, and personally I think their criteria were great.  I was disappointed in the ratings of several of my favorite non fast food chain sit downers, and surprised to see that the fast food place I personally hit most frequently (Chic-fil-a) ranked at the top of the list.




popeye1250 -> RE: South Los Angeles banning new fast food outlets (8/1/2008 12:04:04 PM)

From all the Katrina footage they should have banned fast food restaurants in NOLA 25 years ago!




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