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Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 5:01:03 PM)
That's not exactly objective reporting either. Only goes towards establishing what I pointed to earlier, the fact that there's little wonder some Germans suffer from Obamamania. They're brainwashed.

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 5:28:42 PM)
So you think that all these German people cannot decide for themselves whether or not to like Senator Obama? And who would be brainwashing them?

Thadius -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 5:41:53 PM)
Speaking of media coverage, how many mainstream news outlets reported that Obama was interupted by a small protest today?

Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 5:42:08 PM)
What have we been discussing - the examples that you've posted of the extremely biased reporting there. Garbage in, garbage out. quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval So you think that all these German people cannot decide for themselves whether or not to like Senator Obama? And who would be brainwashing them?

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 5:47:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity What have we been discussing - the examples that you've posted of the extremely biased reporting there. Garbage in, garbage out. quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval So you think that all these German people cannot decide for themselves whether or not to like Senator Obama? And who would be brainwashing them? Sanity take it from me, The UK media has had reports asking if Obama is all showmanship and no substance, and i am guessing Germany is the same. Europeans are not stupid and will make up their own minds. Germany isnt China and no one forced that crowd to go and see Obama. Does it scare you that he may be seen as a decent politician this side of the ocean ?

Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 6:35:37 PM)
I'm not seeing any integrity in the German media as reflected in Vendeval's choices of links, and so I'm just having a little fun at her expense. The first link she posted was absolutely horrible in its bias - it may as well have been written by whoever writes Obama's "almost poetic" speeches! The media bias is much the same here - there are a few honest media outlets but they're the exception, most are dishonest even with themselves. The Left here rages on about Fox News slivers yet they're completely blind to the trees lodged in their own eyes, and even with a story as obviously and blatantly slanted as Vendeval's Spiegel article some Liberals cannot see the bias. If their house were on fire would they not feel the heat, nor smell the smoke? It's simply incredible to me. No, I'm not scared that you Europeans will see Obama as a decent politician, it's just that after reading that spew that passes for news in Germany's largest newspaper I'd simply like some assurance that there is some real light shining on various events over there, including our golden boy, Obama, when he comes to visit. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Sanity take it from me, The UK media has had reports asking if Obama is all showmanship and no substance, and i am guessing Germany is the same. Europeans are not stupid and will make up their own minds. Germany isnt China and no one forced that crowd to go and see Obama. Does it scare you that he may be seen as a decent politician this side of the ocean ? [/quoteAny links to that

Alumbrado -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 6:44:49 PM)
Overall, the media here or abroad doesn't want to have to work or think hard any more than do the voters. Obama will continue to evoke JFK in as many Camelotesque manners as possible, and McCain will probably have a blond wig and PT-109 tattooed on his arm before long...and those are the soundbites that will get batted back and forth. Most disconcerting is, that will be what passes for this campaign's 'the high road'....

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 9:48:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Does it scare you that he may be seen as a decent politician this side of the ocean ? In a way, yes, it does. Hitler was seen as a "decent politician" for a long time .... pretty much right up to the point where he declared war on damn near everyone else on the planet and invaded Poland... Now - this is not to be taken as me thinking that Obama is the second coming of Hitler - other than that he IS a POLITICIAN, and personally I consider them ALL minions of sheer unadulterated Evil. I'm simply pointing out that your side of the ocean has considered Other ....... less than desirable candidates..... to be "decent politicians" at times in the past as well. So the idea that Europeans - who have no business with a deciding voice in the politics of This Country (like we have no business having a deciding voice in Their politics!) - support him is Not a particularly great selling point. The idea that Germany In Particular supports him simply supports my theory that voting for him is the Wrong Choice To Make. After all - they're the ones who originally lauded Hilter as a Great Man! If they can fuck up on that grand a scale once, and that a lot less than 100 years ago - they are definately more than capable of fucking up to such a magnitude a second time.

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 12:27:51 AM)
Well stated Politesub. The European press and politicians and public will make up their own minds. Nobody is "brainwashing" them. Many of them like Senator Obama and see him as the best choice for US President. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Sanity take it from me, The UK media has had reports asking if Obama is all showmanship and no substance, and i am guessing Germany is the same. Europeans are not stupid and will make up their own minds. Germany isnt China and no one forced that crowd to go and see Obama. Does it scare you that he may be seen as a decent politician this side of the ocean ?

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 12:30:30 AM)
Take your complaints to the German writers and editors.

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 3:48:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Does it scare you that he may be seen as a decent politician this side of the ocean ? In a way, yes, it does. Hitler was seen as a "decent politician" for a long time .... pretty much right up to the point where he declared war on damn near everyone else on the planet and invaded Poland... Now - this is not to be taken as me thinking that Obama is the second coming of Hitler - other than that he IS a POLITICIAN, and personally I consider them ALL minions of sheer unadulterated Evil. I'm simply pointing out that your side of the ocean has considered Other ....... less than desirable candidates..... to be "decent politicians" at times in the past as well. So the idea that Europeans - who have no business with a deciding voice in the politics of This Country (like we have no business having a deciding voice in Their politics!) - support him is Not a particularly great selling point. The idea that Germany In Particular supports him simply supports my theory that voting for him is the Wrong Choice To Make. After all - they're the ones who originally lauded Hilter as a Great Man! If they can fuck up on that grand a scale once, and that a lot less than 100 years ago - they are definately more than capable of fucking up to such a magnitude a second time. [/quote)Wow....imagine how Americans 80 years will feel when some future European holds them responsible for Bush!! Now this is not to be taken as me thinking bushie is the second coming of Hitler....

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 5:52:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Wow....imagine how Americans 80 years will feel when some future European holds them responsible for Bush!! Now this is not to be taken as me thinking bushie is the second coming of Hitler.... Let them - I'm no huge fan of Bush, and have "issues" with many of his policies. If they are letting us decide who their politicians are going to be - because we approve of or like a particular person prior to them being in office - they'll be more than right to point out our collective choice of Bush. And that in and of itself is my main point here, which you've either missed or are ignoring mike - European citizens in European countries are NOT the ones directly affected by the politics of the United States - US citizens in the US are the ones who are Directly affected. The opinions of those outside the US should not hold sway in whether WE - US citizens, born here, raised here, living here, dealing with the issues directly, and voting here - support or don't support a particular candidate. You don't see the various European countries asking - or paying any heed to - the opinions of American citizens on THEIR politicians, or the Policies of those politicians. And I'm willing to bet that given the chance to express an opinion about whether we SHOULD be allowed to influence such, they would say we should keep our noses short and in our own business. SO SHOULD THEY - keep their noses short, in their own business, and influcencing elections of their own officials and governmental leaders - NOT the ones who are potentially up for office HERE, where they do not live, are not citizens, and do not get a vote.

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 5:59:25 AM)
And just how were these German citizens attempting to influence American voters.Were you influenced by the crowd,the flag waving..or the opinions voiced.You sell the American electorate short if you believe the opinion of foreign nationals is taken into account when a vote is cast.There having an opinion is their right,if that opinion sways a voter...shame on them

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 6:59:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity That's not exactly objective reporting either. Only goes towards establishing what I pointed to earlier, the fact that there's little wonder some Germans suffer from Obamamania. They're brainwashed. And I'm sure a sizeable percentage of those Berliners at the Siegessäule were there because it was a good excuse to blow off work. It was an historic occasion, as well. I would've gone just like I went to the closing ceremony at the 100th Olympics; it was a unique opportunity. But in the rightwing paranoid's Weltanschauung, old Russian commies, using George Soros to funnel funds and orders, have taken over Western Europe, and used it's de-facto Capitol, Berlin, as a springboard for Obama, the Democrat Party, and socialist Germans to turn the US into a Communist Dictatorship. That's pretty close, isn't it? [8\|]

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 7:09:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Does it count for anything that Mr Obama majored in political science with a specialization in international relations and traveled the world a bit? That definitely counts and is a huge assett when it comes to maintaining peace with other countries. What concerns me is his specialization in international relations becoming a double edge sword. This "global economy" has destroyed our once strong US economy. Our economy was strong because we were only dependent on ourselves. If other countries wanted to improve their economies, they could look to us as a role model. Instead, some big shots decided the US should get involved in the global economy just like the failing countries were. I guess they thought it would even out the world economy. Now China is so full of pollution that athletes are afraid to breathe the air even temporarily. Yeah we really did them a favor. Meanwhile our own economy that was once a role model is now failing because we made the same stupid mistake as the other countries with failing economies. I'd sure like to know where to find those cracker jack boxes some of our politicians keep pulling their degrees out of. Obama's specialization in international relations will only be an assett if he uses it to keep the peace, not if he uses it to continue in the global economy.

Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 7:22:14 AM)
Why should it impress anyone that Obama was a career politician from the start. You would be wise to hide that fact, if its true, rather than advertise it. quote: Does it count for anything that Mr Obama majored in political science with a specialization in international relations and traveled the world a bit?

thishereboi -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 7:31:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval No, you are the one questioning the journalistic merits of Spiegel. From The Local, another German newspaper. "Can Germany’s Obamania last?" Published: 22 Jul 08 17:48 CET "America was supposed to be the country that magnanimously defended decency and democracy around the world, not a place that started questionable wars and dragged its feet on pressing environmental issues while the polar ice caps melted. Bush jarred Germany from its happy Yankee daydream, which is perhaps why so many Germans are such enthusiastic Obama backers – they’re desperate for him to reassure them America is the good place they’ve always believed it to be. Intelligent, charismatic and best yet – apparently interested in what they have to say – Obama pushes all the right buttons for the Germans. It’s no wonder a recent survey by pollster TNS Forschung showed a massive 76 percent of Germans considered Obama the better candidate for the US presidency. A mere 10 percent picked McCain." http://www.thelocal.de/13225/20080722/ Yup, the Germans love him....so why doesn't he go over there and run for something?

Alumbrado -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 8:56:17 AM)
He just did...he went over there and ran for JFK.

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 10:11:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach And that in and of itself is my main point here, which you've either missed or are ignoring mike - European citizens in European countries are NOT the ones directly affected by the politics of the United States - US citizens in the US are the ones who are Directly affected. The opinions of those outside the US should not hold sway in whether WE - US citizens, born here, raised here, living here, dealing with the issues directly, and voting here - support or don't support a particular candidate. You don't see the various European countries asking - or paying any heed to - the opinions of American citizens on THEIR politicians, or the Policies of those politicians. And I'm willing to bet that given the chance to express an opinion about whether we SHOULD be allowed to influence such, they would say we should keep our noses short and in our own business. SO SHOULD THEY - keep their noses short, in their own business, and influcencing elections of their own officials and governmental leaders - NOT the ones who are potentially up for office HERE, where they do not live, are not citizens, and do not get a vote. You seem to be getting wound up because an American politician chose ( Note that word ) to do a whistle stop tour of Europe, and got a good reception in Germany, although his reception in the UK wasnt so rapturous. Please explain how giving Obama a good reception, is interfering with American politics. No one made him come here, and McCain is entitled to do the same if he so wishes.

Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/2/2008 12:13:44 PM)
You may like for your leaders or your potential leaders to act as lap dogs for foreign interests, but you'll have to excuse us if we do not. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 You seem to be getting wound up because an American politician chose ( Note that word ) to do a whistle stop tour of Europe, and got a good reception in Germany, although his reception in the UK wasnt so rapturous. Please explain how giving Obama a good reception, is interfering with American politics. No one made him come here, and McCain is entitled to do the same if he so wishes.

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