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Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 4:18:05 AM)
Wow. Talk about a biased media! quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval General Reply - Is this still on topic or totally off course at this point? From the largest German news weekly, Spiegel, an English translation on Senator Obama's European visit. "The Triumph of the Anti-Bush" By Erich Follath July 28, 2008 "He gave an almost poetic speech, a tour de force through global politics, but without many specifics, in which he invoked what has fallen by the wayside during the Bush years without even referring to George W.: the partnership with Europe, cooperation on climate protection, phasing out nuclear weapons. On the topic of Afghanistan, he called on the Germans to play a more active role. He didn't utter a single negative word abroad about his own government, about the lies that were used to justify the Iraq war, about the ongoing revelations of torture by the CIA, or the fact that 74 percent of Americans feel that their country is on the wrong path. On this very special Thursday evening at Berlin's Victory Column, a crowd of 200,000 was fascinated by Obama, cheering this man who presents himself as a citizen of the world, and who they hope will become the next US president." http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,568551,00.html

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 9:20:53 AM)
quote: The phrase 'worthy candidate' is yours. What some of us have pointed out, and you have merely pretended not to notice, is that winning the nomination for the POTUS is an achievement in and of itself. No resume is necessary to applaud that one achievement. You are in error. I have noticed. I say the claim is bullshit. I state that winning the nomination is not something worthy of respect on its own merits. It is not now nor will ever be an accomplishment. Rejection is notice.

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 9:59:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: The phrase 'worthy candidate' is yours. What some of us have pointed out, and you have merely pretended not to notice, is that winning the nomination for the POTUS is an achievement in and of itself. No resume is necessary to applaud that one achievement. You are in error. I have noticed. I say the claim is bullshit. I state that winning the nomination is not something worthy of respect on its own merits. It is not now nor will ever be an accomplishment. Rejection is notice. The only bullshit here, is the suggestion that being chosen to lead your party is not an accomplishment.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 11:14:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The only bullshit here, is the suggestion that being chosen to lead your party is not an accomplishment. It is not a suggestion. It is a statement. A most categorical and explicit one at that. It is also reality.

Aynne -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 11:51:23 AM)
I am certain that you claiming that recieving the nomination of your political party is not an accomplishment is one of the top 5 most ridiculous statements ever. It may be your "reality" but it is simply wrong. Love those opinions masquerading as absolutes.[8\|] quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 The only bullshit here, is the suggestion that being chosen to lead your party is not an accomplishment. It is not a suggestion. It is a statement. A most categorical and explicit one at that. It is also reality.

bipolarber -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 11:51:52 AM)
So, at least we have you admitting that Romney, and the rest are utter losers then, and that McCain hasn't accomplished anything of note by becoming the GOP candidtate either... Such an asinine, childish statement can only be considered true if it applies to all sides.

Politesub53 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 12:45:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 It is not a suggestion. It is a statement. A most categorical and explicit one at that. It is also reality. You`re right that it isn`t a suggestion, you`re right that it `s a statement, and it certainly was explicit and catergorical. However, i think you need a reality check.

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 1:15:34 PM)
What, you question how the German public responded to Senator Obama's visit and don't like the results? quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Wow. Talk about a biased media! Effective foreign policy means far more than giving a speech after a free rock concert in Germany. Some Germans waving paper American flags means very little, really.

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 1:19:40 PM)
CL apparently thinks that his opinions are always absolutes, facts grounded in his self-proclaimed "reality". He does not listen well to the opinions of others or any reality that contradicts his own narrow grasp of the world.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 1:24:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber So, at least we have you admitting that Romney, and the rest are utter losers then, and that McCain hasn't accomplished anything of note by becoming the GOP candidtate either... Such an asinine, childish statement can only be considered true if it applies to all sides. McCain has his accomplishments. I have not listed being nominated among them. You will not find a statement from me where I have. Romney, et al did not get nominated. They lost that contest. You will not find a statement from me asserting otherwise. It is a uniform standard, and is applied uniformly.

bipolarber -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 1:26:59 PM)
It also helps if, when visiting a foreign country, the population of said country isn't burning you in effigy as you are trying to deliver the speech... or burning your flag... or booing you so loundly it's impossible to hear anything else... (sort of the negative of a Beatles concert) Of course, Bush realized that he no longer could speak in public for these reasons, and sterted giving his speaches in front of military audiances, where he could be assured of a positive response from the crowd... because they'd been ordered to give it. Compare that to the UN speech he gave during the run up to the Iraq fiasco... (you remember, it was the famous "you're either with us, or with the turrists." speech.) you gotta admit, it's not often you hear members of the UN booing someone talking before their august body. Especially someone who represents a country that was so recently, brutally attacked. But, our boy Bush has a knack, a veritable talent, for making friends and influencing people. Still, I look at the video from Obama's speech in Germany, and my heart swells again... at least there's a chance, somewhere down the road, that the rest of the world will love America again... once we put this nightmare administration behind us.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 1:28:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval CL apparently thinks that his opinions are always absolutes, facts grounded in his self-proclaimed "reality". He does not listen well to the opinions of others or any reality that contradicts his own narrow grasp of the world. Reality is. I state what is.

Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 3:08:38 PM)
Are you pretending to speak on the behalf of all of Germany? KittenSol won't like that - not one little bit. Oh wait- you're pretending that they're all Socialists, aren't you. Never mind then... quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval What, you question how the German public responded to Senator Obama's visit and don't like the results?

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 3:14:42 PM)
None of the above. KittenSOL can speak quite well for herself. I posted an article from a major German newspaper translated into English. If you do not like what was written and published, send a letter to the editor.

Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 3:38:28 PM)
If Der Spiegel is any indication of how today's Germans get their "news" then there's little wonder that some of the people there have succumbed to Obamamania. They're spoon-fed ultra-leftist fantasies! Look at that headline. quote: "The Triumph of the Anti-Bush" You're trying to tell me that that's not far, far Left wing bias??? If you can't see the bias there, then why try. Let's just move on to their opening paragraph: quote: "He gave an almost poetic speech, a tour de force through global politics, but without many specifics, in which he invoked what has fallen by the wayside during the Bush years without even referring to George W.: the partnership with Europe, cooperation on climate protection, phasing out nuclear weapons. Ooh, an almost poetic speech... (blech). Lick his ass, why don't they. That's not journalism, that's a warm feeling running down their leg! But let us continue moving on: quote: On the topic of Afghanistan, he called on the Germans to play a more active role. He didn't utter a single negative word abroad about his own government, about the lies that were used to justify the Iraq war, about the ongoing revelations of torture by the CIA, or the fact that 74 percent of Americans feel that their country is on the wrong path. I suppose that if you buy into the far-left mantra, then those are all facts, and that it's all owed to Bush. Journalists though, are supposed to have more integrity, and be more neutral. But that's not all: quote: On this very special Thursday evening at Berlin's Victory Column, a crowd of 200,000 was fascinated by Obama, cheering this man who presents himself as a citizen of the world, and who they hope will become the next US president." Ahhh. "...a citizen of the world..." How.. very... more warm feelings running down the leg.... Estimates of the crowd size range from 20,000 to 200,000. Der Spiegel by default went with the inflated numbers that the Obama team claimed, rather than use official police numbers, and failed to mention that there was also a free rock concert driving attendance up. Why? Because Der Spiegel is obviously in the tank for Obama. Again, if that's why some Germans love Obama, so what. Give them some honest reporting then see how they react!

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 4:01:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval CL apparently thinks that his opinions are always absolutes, facts grounded in his self-proclaimed "reality". He does not listen well to the opinions of others or any reality that contradicts his own narrow grasp of the world. Reality is. I state what is. Sorry CL ,but what you state is reality as you see it,which is cool...right up to the point where you confuse it with fact.....and that is the nature of things

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 4:12:28 PM)
And your journalistic credentials are from where again? If you do not like their reporting methods send a letter to their editor. quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Again, if that's why some Germans love Obama, so what. Give them some honest reporting then see how they react!

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 4:15:34 PM)
*Objective Reality and personal opinions* are two different beasties. Some cannot comprehend this simple concept.** quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval CL apparently thinks that his opinions are always absolutes, facts grounded in his self-proclaimed "reality". He does not listen well to the opinions of others or any reality that contradicts his own narrow grasp of the world. Reality is. I state what is. Sorry CL ,but what you state is reality as you see it,which is cool...right up to the point where you confuse it with fact.....and that is the nature of things

Sanity -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 4:26:22 PM)
I was a communication major in college, but why does that matter. Are you desperate to change the subject? And I'll comment on it's radical bias right here where you posted it, but thanks for the suggestion anyway. [:)]

Vendaval -> RE: Obama ups the stakes... (8/1/2008 4:34:06 PM)
No, you are the one questioning the journalistic merits of Spiegel. From The Local, another German newspaper. "Can Germany’s Obamania last?" Published: 22 Jul 08 17:48 CET "America was supposed to be the country that magnanimously defended decency and democracy around the world, not a place that started questionable wars and dragged its feet on pressing environmental issues while the polar ice caps melted. Bush jarred Germany from its happy Yankee daydream, which is perhaps why so many Germans are such enthusiastic Obama backers – they’re desperate for him to reassure them America is the good place they’ve always believed it to be. Intelligent, charismatic and best yet – apparently interested in what they have to say – Obama pushes all the right buttons for the Germans. It’s no wonder a recent survey by pollster TNS Forschung showed a massive 76 percent of Germans considered Obama the better candidate for the US presidency. A mere 10 percent picked McCain." http://www.thelocal.de/13225/20080722/

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