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RE: Obey...or leave? - 11/19/2005 6:44:54 AM

LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

i have come to find out truly(much to my dismay) exactly how MUCH power i have and maintain w/ the authority transfer.

Oh I LOVE IT when someone uses the term!! :)

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as a sub i'm the one w/ the power.period.

As a sub you are a sub with power.

As a dom, they are a dom with power.

Everyone has their own power.

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RE: Obey...or leave? - 11/19/2005 11:09:25 AM

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I agree. Each human being has their own power. The whole aspect of training a servant is training them to control and direct their power toward the will of the owner. Disobedience is an act of power and an act of will, but it is not constructive. Learning to use ones power constructively is an act of -empowerment-, and improves self-esteem, and a sense of well-being. Recognizing a servant's strenths, and teaching them control and how to direct their will to our benefit is one of the joys of having intelligent, powerful, insightful servants.

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RE: Obey...or leave? - 11/19/2005 12:54:08 PM

LacieDoll

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i like your post Lacie. in some ways reminded me of me...

i'm not by nature disobediant. i sooooooooooooo dislike punishment. i much prefer a good girl pat on the head than going to the corner or whatever(i abhor pain).

[but what struck me so is (i'm not spontaneous,) matter of fact i'm controlled in my actions.........]
methinks my problem is there is NO filter 'tween the mouth and the brain,lol..........

thats what i have to watch out for.

edited for freakin not enuff java typos

I think sometimes I don't have a filter either. Also, I like to make people laugh and smile and sometimes I might say the strangest things and then realize ..ooops I shouldn't have said that. You are right that by nature I am not disobediant and I try very hard to please and serve but I suppose it would take someone to recognize those things about me and accept them and try to find a way to either curb them or whatnot. Stifling them would be taking away part of who I am

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RE: Obey...or leave? - 11/19/2005 5:25:22 PM

fyreredsub

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but LA do i not control his power w/ how much of mine i let him have/take?

*giggles* yeah i borrowed it from you

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

i have come to find out truly(much to my dismay) exactly how MUCH power i have and maintain w/ the authority transfer.

Oh I LOVE IT when someone uses the term!! :)

quote:

as a sub i'm the one w/ the power.period.

As a sub you are a sub with power.

As a dom, they are a dom with power.

Everyone has their own power.

< Message edited by fyreredsub -- 11/19/2005 5:26:44 PM >

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RE: Obey...or leave? - 11/19/2005 5:29:13 PM

fyreredsub

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it is good to know that their are those that like strong slaves(i'm only just beginning to find out how many do).
blessing to your house.
i do find your posts full of insight.

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I agree. Each human being has their own power. The whole aspect of training a servant is training them to control and direct their power toward the will of the owner. Disobedience is an act of power and an act of will, but it is not constructive. Learning to use ones power constructively is an act of -empowerment-, and improves self-esteem, and a sense of well-being. Recognizing a servant's strenths, and teaching them control and how to direct their will to our benefit is one of the joys of having intelligent, powerful, insightful servants.

Lady Zephyr

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RE: Obey...or leave? - 11/19/2005 5:35:03 PM

jamesthehumanrug

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dear kitty twists
is'nt there an implied consentual-agreement ,if you dont obey and youre the slave and youre, in her house, thats abuse?what will it look like ?
plus you' re ,not filling each ,others exspectations/false advertizing etc....------------
its just another way of saying love me ,or leave or respect me ;obey me ;worship me or go ;or be loyal ,or leave ;you know:.... eskimoes have 12 different words, for snow same thing.

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RE: Obey...or leave? - 11/19/2005 7:59:21 PM

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So, why do people tote this banner around? Obey or leave? Does it really work that way? Does that sort of thing really happen...?? Is it meant to strike fear in the heart of a slave?

Ultimately yes it does come down to obey or leave, and it does happen. But that doesn't mean every situation must immediately resort to that ultimatum. Its not so much meant to strike fear as it is to define that last and final boundary... not to mention an important part of the Master/slave relationship.

You said in your original post that you don't purposefully disobey. I take that to mean that you try to obey, you make the effort, but because you are human sometimes you just screw up. Welcome to the human race, we all screw up sometimes, even us masterly types. Its not that we screw up sometimes that matters, its what we do about it. When you realize you've been disobedient do you try to correct that, make it right however you can? If so, then you're trying to obey, you're keeping in the spirit of the relationship.

Have I ever used that ultimatum, yes I have. But not as a first choice. I've used it in situations where it just seemed the lass in question didn't seem to really want to obey. Things had reached a point I wondered why she was there, did she really desire to be a slave or was it just an exciting game to her that was wearing off? So you give them a choice... obey or leave... make the commitment to the relationship, or get out of it. Its not done out of anger or as punishment... though certainly its natural to feel some anger at having things come to that point... its done because things have reach a point where a choice needs to be made. Either fully commit to being in the relationship, or get out so you can both move on.

In my opinion, that's what its really about... choice and commitment.

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