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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/8/2008 4:13:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for what makes a great warrior - i would posit that a lack of imagination would be necessary.
Notice i didn't say lack of intelligence, just imagination.

If i were a warrior and thought about the consequences of intended actions, i would never leave the house.
I can't imagine facing battle and not seeing myself lying mutilated and in pain. In this instance a lack of imagination would be a true asset.
Perhapes it could be thought of as a lack of a sense of ones own mortality. If a warrior honestly thought they could not die, then they would be fearless. After all, they weren't going to lose anything - especially not their life or limbs.


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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/8/2008 5:52:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually being without imagination, like being without fear, or anger, isn't all that desirable...

An automaton might make great cannon fodder, but a great warrior should be able to imagine strategems, intuit weaknesses, and use all the human traits including emotional ones, in the most skillful manner.... the trick would then be to set aside all those distractions which might get in the way of the task at hand.

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/8/2008 9:55:20 PM   
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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/9/2008 1:10:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know that being fearless would be an asset. Also, the warrior fights for a cause (barring conscription). Whether for homeland or justice, the Warrior sees his POSSIBLE death as part of the risk of being a soldier. The possible bad outcome is weighed against the defeat of the cause.

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/9/2008 1:40:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Iron Bear and Bountyhunter,

Thank You Both:

- for your contributions to this thread.  It's good to have the voices of real warriors on this thread.
- more importantly, for your service.

Although I would not attempt to compare my experience to what either of you two endured, I am also a veteran (who served if not with distinction, at least with Honor) and the next round of Foster's is on me! 

edited for punctuation. 

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/11/2008 10:04:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wondered the same thing once and after three black belts in kempo, a bunch of bjj, years of muay thai, and countless fights, I have come to this.  It's all about heart.  It's about having your nose broken in the middle of a testing, having your teacher stick a pencil up it to reset it, then going back to pound out a decision.  Strength, stamina, and knowledge will help, but when it's all said and done, it's the measure of your heart that truely makes you a warrior.

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/11/2008 10:12:53 AM   
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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 7:51:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MissIsis

Isn't it much more honorable & worthy of the title of warrior, if he protects what is his, & the innocent?  Isn't it much more honorable if he gets the woman to go to his bed willingly, rather than forcibly?  Aren't these the traits of a warrior? 

If not, what are the traits of a great warrior?


According to General Sun Tzu's The Art of War, the answer is inscrutability.  You cannot defeat what you cannot see. 

Of course this makes it pretty difficult to identify and anaylse any instances of a great warrior.  You cannot analyse what you cannot see. 

If on the other hand you're asking what makes for an honourable warrior?  What constitutes honourable varies with whom you ask.


By the way, Thomas Cleary's translation of The Art of War (published by Shambhala) is a fascinating read.

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 8:45:01 AM   
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My definition: A warrior is a thinker. He is not a person that enjoys killing, but will kill when he has to. He uses his wit, his experience, his resources and his love of life, family, beliefs and country to encourage peace when possible. He will fight when there are no other alternatives and he will do it using all the skills he has learned and practiced for just such an occasion. He is not interested in death of people, but in pursuit of peace for all, even if some must die to achieve the greater good. He is effective in protecting the innocent and judging whether the person in his sights must die. He thinks before he acts and is always on the morally correct side.

Warriors do all of these things while under the leadership of others. They are responsible for their "piece of the pie" in the big picture. They don't worry about other people's piece. They feel their side is the right side, the good side. I'm not sure everyone I ever fought thought they were on the right side, dictators don't provide the liberty to judge that for yourself. I am sure that everyone I ever fought was threatening my life. I saw many that raised white flags and laid down their weapons when they did not believe they were on the right side. I also imagine some of those men were very torn for a love of their lives and love of all else they knew. As far as bravery and courage goes, we all have fear. The man that faces his fears and does what is right while extending his combat effectiveness is a warrior. The man that does not is a liability.

This thread started from something that sounds like a "glory for my people" type warrior. This is not a warrior for today's world.

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 11:45:45 AM   
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Isn't it much more honorable & worthy of the title of warrior, if he protects what is his, & the innocent? Isn't it much more honorable if he gets the woman to go to his bed willingly, rather than forcibly? Aren't these the traits of a warrior?

A warrior fights wars. 

A warrior fights warriors; he does not fight women and children, nor any who are not party to the fight.  Women are the spoils of war, not the combatants; a warrior does not destroy the prize for which he fights.

A courageous warrior fights no matter the chance for victory.

A great warrior fights and wins when others deem the fight unwinnable.

A warrior fights because that is what warriors do.


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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 12:01:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissIsis

Thanks for the comments to my post.  It is interesting to see the different takes on what makes a warrior great.  As much as I like to appear all strong & independent, there is just enough of a romantic in me to maybe hope for just a little of my romantic notion of a warrior might exist somewhere.  I am sure there is enough sensibility in me to think that being a great warrior no longer means killing, & stealing. 

It is very true that each time period and culture has their own definitions.  And I truely wish we had reached a time in our civilization that no one thought it was ever necessary to kill anyone, but looking around, we aren't there, & still have a long way to go. 

And lastly Faerytatoodgirl, I used to enjoy watching Wrestlemania with my son too, when he was younger, but mostly, it was just so I could drool over all their hard bodies.  Plus, everyone knows it was "just pretend."

Thanks everyone!



There is a simple way to end wars. Whenever someone wants something of your just give it to them. If he wants your land give it to him. If he wants your life give it to him. That way you never have to fight and you can live in peace. Someone will always want what doesn't belong to them and be willing to kill to take it. And hopefully there will always be people strong enough and willing to stop them. If someone is willing to give his life to take yours and you are not willing to kill him to save yours then he will have his prize. And if your life is what he wants what can you negotiate with. You can give all you own to protect your life and in the end you will lose all your possessions and you life.


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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 12:28:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		CelticLord, I disagree. I do not see women as the spoils of war. I fight in any way that is efficient and saves resources including my ass and the other asses I am responsible for. If there is no way to win then we back up, regroup and determine our next course of action. Live to fight another day. Be smart not dead. A great warrior makes wise decisions that restores peace, or control where peace is not possible, in a way that causes the least death, destruction of infrastructure and community.

If a woman points a weapon at me the only thing you'll see after that is a pink mist as her gray matter exits her cranium. No BS here, threaten my life, the life of my team or an innocent person's life and I will promptly introduce you to your higher power. And while some will make me out to be the bad guy because I killed a woman, I will without hesitation do it again and again and again. A 12 year old with a weapon is only slightly less deadly than his father with a weapon. Separated only because experience increases skill. Be clear in understanding that I have never taken pleasure in squeezing a trigger. I have taken great pleasure in waking up the next day. I take even greater pleasure in knowing that I will see my children's accomplishments and failures and be around to see them grow.

Dolf

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 12:36:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hlen5

Iron Bear and Bountyhunter,

Thank You Both:

- for your contributions to this thread.  It's good to have the voices of real warriors on this thread.
- more importantly, for your service.

Although I would not attempt to compare my experience to what either of you two endured, I am also a veteran (who served if not with distinction, at least with Honor) and the next round of Foster's is on me! 

edited for punctuation. 

TY for the cold one, 
clinks the glass and spills a bit for our departed friends,

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 12:46:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gwynsbitchboi

I wondered the same thing once and after three black belts in kempo, a bunch of bjj, years of muay thai, and countless fights, I have come to this.  It's all about heart.  It's about having your nose broken in the middle of a testing, having your teacher stick a pencil up it to reset it, then going back to pound out a decision.  Strength, stamina, and knowledge will help, but when it's all said and done, it's the measure of your heart that truely makes you a warrior.


I tend to agree, after teach my daughters,my wife and grandchild and many nieces and nephews,one thing I stress is this..You may be defeated by a better opponent but you will never quit on me..You get knocked down the drag your ass back to your corner and start again but you shall never just quit on yourself or me..IE..the mongoose and the mighty cobra... 

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 12:58:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

As for what makes a great warrior - i would posit that a lack of imagination would be necessary.
Notice i didn't say lack of intelligence, just imagination.

If i were a warrior and thought about the consequences of intended actions, i would never leave the house.
I can't imagine facing battle and not seeing myself lying mutilated and in pain. In this instance a lack of imagination would be a true asset.
Perhaps it could be thought of as a lack of a sense of ones own mortality. If a warrior honestly thought they could not die, then they would be fearless. After all, they weren't going to lose anything - especially not their life or limbs.



This is something I have contemplated often over the years. Why did I run toward the bullets and not away from them? A lack of imagination? No way, seeing what you had done to others or what your fellow soldiers looked like after they caught a bullet or shrapnel was enough to make a need for imagination null. I would have to say that I did not think of what could happen to me in even the slightest way. I had a job to do, there was someone or something between me and accomplishing that mission.... remove the threat. We always did it the smartest way possible, but if me and my team was being challenged then all threats and blocks had to be eliminated.

Dolf

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RE: What makes a great warrior? - 8/17/2008 1:02:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

the only great warrior that lived was in the WWF named the ultimate warrior who killed hogan in wrestlemania!


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