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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/19/2005 4:32:56 PM   
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I have talk with some that havent put up red flags and they have not been true or honest. Its a one on one meeting, taking your time and not expection something to come instantly. I dont understand the hurry attitude some have. Thats the biggest "red flag" to Me.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/19/2005 4:46:29 PM   
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So far so good! But we both agree that as wonderful as we seem to be for each other online we have to meet face to face to really be sure. There are places we won't go online. Like he won't fully Dom me because that isn't practical to do and he wants hands on training no cyber play.


Probably getting off the topic of this thread..but wanted to comment on what pita said.

Master and i chatted for 11 months before we actually met..(about 3000 hours of chat time). When we finally met, even though we knew so much about each other, it was like getting to know each other again in so many ways...adjusting and learning. The *reality* had to be set in place, even after all that chatting.
We didnt cyber while we were chatting ( act out play scenario's) but we did do things together...i think part of that was showing each other that we really were who we said we were..an example being..i pierced myself for him on the webcam to kinda show him i was being *real* about my desire..i wasnt just fabricating things. He didnt punish me online or make any great demands of me or anything like that as He said it was a bit difficult to do 14,000 miles away and he saw the *reality* of our situation then. he did ban me from talking in a room once..was that punishment? grin.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/21/2005 10:53:49 AM   
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This is exactly why I am torn on my responses to online D/s or online vs. real time, etc. Your situation is very similiar to the situation smilezz and I had 4-5 years ago. We met online and had little to no opportunity to spend any time together offline as I was in Germany and she was in the US. The key to the whole thing was that we remained deeply rooted in reality. We talked daily, learned virtually everything there was to know about each other, and built the foundations for trust through honest, consistent communication.

Was our relationship less real because we were online? Not really. We were just lacking the physical aspects of the relationship. Every other part of what a relationship is was fully represented. The problems occur when one or both parties of the relationship are less than honest about who they are and what they want. This is true online or off, and we hear more than we would care to about these situations in these forums every day.

We took some risks, as you never really know who you are talking to online, but we were completely honest about who we were and what we wanted. Eventually, things worked out so we could meet and every day since has been a better day than the one before it.


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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/21/2005 10:56:33 AM   
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no such thing AS real or true....except in people's minds.

esp those with that holier than thou thing going on.....

just be yourself!!!!!!!!

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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/21/2005 11:00:25 AM   
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i feel like that hat that chooses which house a wizard will belong too which are you
slitheren huffnpuff gondorff lol but for the most part its very simple we are people first
ds second look at all sides of a person past present future learn about there core personlity the ties the bind in that you will find the sweetness of wine but to grow the perfect grape you must know how to plant the seed that will grow

ok in simple terms the reality of love people do not know how to love i mean really love
but you will figure it out :)
namaste

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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/21/2005 3:37:24 PM   
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AGREED
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I count people as "real" when I can see, touch, taste, hear, and smell them (1,2,3,4,5, yep, that's all 5 senses ). Otherwise they are just another possibly crazy nut on the other end of the computer..........


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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/21/2005 4:25:41 PM   
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Thorns and jali,

I smiled as I read both of your posts. My Lord and I are currently in a similar situation. We chatted and talked over the phone for 6 months before meeting face to face. Most of our time now is spent on the phone as he lives in Canada and I in the US. Luckily we are able to visit each other every couple of months.

As both of you have said, we keep the relationship and expectations realistic. Trust, expectations, confidence was slowly built as we got to know one another. I did not offer myself to him until we had met. This was something that was important for both of us, that there would be no M/s structure to our interactions before we met in person and could validate that all that was said in chat and on the phone was real.

Now we are going through the slow process of immigration so that I can move to Canada. It reinforces my hope to know that others have gone through a similar experience to overcome the distance and the challenges of limited interactions.

Good luck in both of your relationships and I would enjoy hearing more of your experiences and challenges when the opportunities arise.


Knight’s kyra

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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/21/2005 4:50:55 PM   
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Sir and I talked, endlessly online and on the phone till we eventually met, and as has been said several times in this thread, W/we could find out whether each was as the other felt should be. We live on opposite sides of the country so I visit Him and He visits me (He will be here in less than 2 weeks life is good)

Each finds their way to fight the distance if it is what they truly want. I have just got my Heavy Ridgid truck licence and will find a fly in fly out job in the mines 2weeks on one week off and brilliant money ... one guess where my week off will be spent lol. I hope to be in a position (all going well between us) to relocate to the East by end of next year.

If it is important you will find a way, you will fight for it, and accept the difficulties and challenges along the way. Distance does not heed communication in these times of internet and many options for such communication.

As for real and not real, communication is the best way I have found to access the person, but until you meet face to face, get to know that person up and close, it is hard to know what is real and not. For me I am glad that Sir is real and that the happiness I have is also real.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 11/21/2005 6:58:41 PM   
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Bi curious is a red flag for me because I don't want to get involved with someone who is confused over their sexual orientation. A green flag for me is someone who is experienced, knows what they are looking for in a sex or play partner. You don't end up being someone that someone else is just experimenting with to figure out their true feelings.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/1/2006 1:48:19 PM   
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>I generally define "real" or "true" when it comes to the lifestyle simply as: closest to one's own personal fantasies about their perfect relationship.

Beyond that, the terms have no meaning.<

So reality is just a matter of projection? I think that's pretty weak, in fact I think one could argue its false. Reality is not projection, reality is what washes away projection. Things that are real move and touch us, they have an essence. The OP asked, how does one home in on the essence of another? The answer of course is meaningful contact.

I once served a DOM who wanted a maid, someone who "wished to serve." No sex, just service.

Naturally, I made claims that I was such a submissive. I made claims that I would submit to her discpline and follow her instructions and wear a uniform she prescribed.

She then had me over. Strip, assume certain positions, don a uniform, accept corrections.....etc. Then....CLEAN THE KITCHEN. That Kitchen was a MESS. It took me near two hours to get it right. It was hard work. I did it. I did not complain. I thanked her.

Later on (some weeks later), when I began to feel somewhat taken advantage of (leaving the house extra messy for me to clean) I would just hint that if things were a little easier, I could get more done (as opposed to spending 15 mintues on 2-3 pans.)

I don't think " fantasies about their perfect relationship" had anything to do with whether I would be real to my Mistress here. I was either real or fake, PERIOD. I either delivered or backed out.

I'm not relating this tale to look like any kind of hero, b/c I have my foilables, but I just cannot support such a wimpy-ass characterization of that what we encounter, judge, do, and must deal with in the world is only our own fantasy projections. Realities are NOT all relative and realities are NOT all dependent on our own biased perspectives. No, I think we can find plenty of empiracle and reasonable paths toward objectivity and uncovering the essences of others.

Consider that under your credo above, the following would be real. A sub agrees not to touch himself for his mistress. It is an honor contract. The sub masturbates regularly without permission. He lies to his Mistress about it. She believes him. She thinks she controls his orgasms.

According to you, the thought that she does control his orgasms equates to reality, but for me "her thought" has nothing to do with it. What has something to do with it is if the sub honors his promise to his Mistress and confesses to her when he does not.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/1/2006 2:50:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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The term 'curious' is to me a big red flag, as in bi-curious


Okay, I have to ask why you have a problem with this. It is possible to be curious and confused as far as this goes. It depends on how you define yourself.


Agreed. And I would much rather get involved with someone who is honest enough to say "I don't know where I'm going with this but these are the things I want to explore" and makes me no guarantees than someone who tries to pass themselves off as an Uber Dom (and yes, I realize this happens with bottoms too, but my experience is from the other side). I can adjust to a great many situations and variables if I'm told the truth up front but can't abide the kind of tom foolery that so often happens on both sides of the slash. BTDT and significantly wiser for it.

I don't go around wondering if I present myself as "real" or not. I'm just me and all that entails. People either like me or they don't. It's no wonder many of the people who know me in person think I should be a Top - I have a very confident and strong personality. A lot of people mistake that for being Dominant. What they refuse to believe, no matter how many times I say it, is that deep down inside I have no desire to dominate in a relationsip. I guess they all think I'm deluding myself but I know what makes me tick and what doesn't much better than they do.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/1/2006 2:54:29 PM   
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Are you saying there's going to be one more incredibly cool chick in Canada? Awesome

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists
Now we are going through the slow process of immigration so that I can move to Canada.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/1/2006 2:57:14 PM   
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I think that's a very reasonable way to approach things. If one knows what they want and helping the curious and/or confused along the way at their own expense isn't part of that then I see nothing wrong with your approach. There are many submissives who want someone who KNOWS they are a Dom rather than someone who's "Dom-curious." I see this as being no different. I have the utmost respect for people who know what they want and are able to articulate it with confidence.

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ORIGINAL: kisshou
Bi curious is a red flag for me because I don't want to get involved with someone who is confused over their sexual orientation. A green flag for me is someone who is experienced, knows what they are looking for in a sex or play partner. You don't end up being someone that someone else is just experimenting with to figure out their true feelings.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/1/2006 3:29:24 PM   
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Honestly, this is our process, too, but people are skittish, and that has to be taken into consideration. "Green flags" for us are so much different than for the person who is looking for a mate or a romantic partner. For us, it is much more like someone who is scouting for that ideal personal servant. I can see us, in years past, bidding on a certain servant who may have shown a talent as an exceptional butler or majordomo... or as an outstanding Lady's maid. Cherishing that someone would come with time, and the more exquisitely he or she served, the more dearly we would hold that service... but it isn't like looking for a spouse.

Lady SilverRose and myself really feel that if someone wants to serve, there is nothing wrong with giving them the opportunity to try and see if it works out -- and that no determination can be -made- about how the relationship is going to go -until- we try it out. Things can sound exceptional in chat, and wonderful over the phone... but time in person needs to be taken to find out whether -this- relationship is going to last and be a good fit for everyone involved.

There are some people that I can tell from their profiles won't be happy with the way we run things here (or I can tell that -we- won't be satisfied with the way -they- would be interacting with us). Those folks usually get a very polite note, early on, that says that something about them just doesn't seem like a good match with us. It isn't that there is -anything- wrong with them... just that something in the tone and demeanor of their communication with us didn't seem to fit well with what we were looking for. Sometimes, as we give people more information about us, they find that they aren't interested in what -we- are, and they either send us a nice "I'm sorry, but this just isn't working for me" note, or they don't show up at a scheduled meeting.

The most difficult things for us are dealing with things like developing a relationship online and training a potential servant who is at a significant distance from us... especially if that potential servant has many outside responsibilities already in place. We're accustomed to training a servant in how to serve us, and that is a very hands-on thing... from preparing tea to how we prefer our sheets washed, to how our laundry is cared for... but really, not things that transfer well to online, except in the most figurative sense. This makes it difficult for me, at times, to figure out how to move along a relationship where we are forced, at this time, to be distant, and to arrange a safe, smooth transition for the person involved while providing enough support and information so that he or she can make a -good- decision and feel safe and secure about choosing to enter service with us.

For us, this is not a romance. We're not looking for sweet words and flowery phrases of undying love. We tried, for a while, to look for people who might be a good fit for our family on a more integral basis, but have learned that -that- process will only come with time, and that the need to be claimed by -someone- may overmask challenges to that person's fit with our family. We accept those risks, now, where even six months ago, we were less willing to do so, only in that we recognize now that outstanding service does not necessarily mean a social meshing as well -- it took us a while, and some valuable false starts to realize that, and to realize that we'd had a charmed situation for a while that needed to be recognized for what it was. We have learned to offer short-term contracts that are renewable, and time-frames that allow a servant to make the decision without fear of being trapped "forever" in an unpalatable situation. What we -do- want, is to see someone who comes to us who really, truly, lives to serve -- with a sense of personal dignity and satisfaction in the service, and an artistry and dedication to the work at hand. I can see us cherishing a person like that, but I can also see that it is hard work, and that it will take a great deal of self-knowledge to be happy being what we desire. I know the person who is ready is out there... and I am willing to take some chances to find that rose amidst the thorns.

Lady Zephyr

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

I figure everyone is "real." The big questions are "do they want to play with me?" and "do I want to play with them?" If they don't fit into both of those categories, I'll generally answer questions and to an extent offer support that matches my comfort level with the material presented.

Clipped, not for content, but strictly for length, since I was so long-winded in my response. LZ


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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/3/2006 3:23:19 PM   
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but what about the "Green Flags" that allows you to take a step towards acknowledging a person as "Real". This not to say they are someone you are interested in for a intimate relationship only.... but one that you view as properly representing themselves and can consider as an on-line acquaintance or even friend.


I look for someone who is willing to divulge those little things like where they live, where they work, how well they talk online ( sometimes its a good indicator of how they talk in RL ), how consistant they are in what they say, etc. Little things that you pick up on now and then, hunches, etc. I just like to go with them.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/3/2006 4:09:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

Lady SilverRose and myself really feel that if someone wants to serve, there is nothing wrong with giving them the opportunity to try and see if it works out -- and that no determination can be -made- about how the relationship is going to go -until- we try it out. Things can sound exceptional in chat, and wonderful over the phone... but time in person needs to be taken to find out whether -this- relationship is going to last and be a good fit for everyone involved.

Lady Zephyr

What can I say that she has not already said. I have looked and sent emails to people that I was curious to know and in return they have been standoffish. As for someone being "true" or "real", the only way I know if they are true/real is when I meet them face to face as then I can see them in the flesh and see how they come across. I know many people that have said they are real/true and have turned out to be just playing the fields or experimenting. Saying one thing in messages and emails is one thing and could be true, but until you see them face to face, I tend to listen and watch what they say.



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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/3/2006 5:23:05 PM   
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My question is
... How do you progress to present yourself as "Real" or "True" and how do you progress to assess if those you talk/chat to are "Real" or "True" in this online environment.


It's never what you SAY, it's what you ARE.

You have to present yourself as simply and emotionally naked as you are.

You have to assess others over time to see who they are.

Take me for example: Everyone here has deduced that I am *real*, *true*, and a serious hottie that they just have to sleep with.

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/3/2006 5:31:55 PM   
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How often have you read in the various profiles "I am Real" "I am True..." "looking for a Real..." "want a Real Relationship" and the list goes on.

Now I don't reflect negatively on all these profiles that state such things.... for each needs to be judged by each of us individually by it's own merits and our own perspectives. However, it does appear to me a reflection of how often we are regularly faced with many people that are decietful or misleading in how they present themselves in the online environment. This of course is not just exclusive to online... since much occurs in the so-called Real Time environment... thou the ability to deceit or mislead is somewhat more difficult.
Great topic KOM!

Its funny, I have yet to find a profile that states "I am looking for someone who is make-believe."

*slaps forehead*

We are all looking for someone real! That should go without saying. I usually avoid people who are looking for someone "real" as it implies that they have baggage from experiences with the alternative

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/3/2006 7:17:17 PM   
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What amuses me is people talking about "real time." Online chat is "real time," but non-computer people seem to fail to realize that.

Hint: Look up "batch processing."

I tend to call face to face interaction "face to face." It also has the advantage of implying things that aren't "real" are somehow "false."

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RE: Real/True Statements - 1/4/2006 1:03:17 AM   
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why did you not know we need to see the wizard of oz he can make us all real just fallow the yellow brick road of type
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