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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 1:12:05 PM   
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Just a thought here . I have pretty much ignored your posts. They are really too bitter  and therefore I believe irrational. However I did want to mention that although you didnt name these women specifically. Do you think it would be possible just possible that when you insult the whole gender, that some of that gender might take it a wee bit personally? I mean after all, wouldnt most find that to be a logical reaction? I mean if An englishmen or japanese attacked the integrity or rationale of say all americans dont you think that those of that nationality would want to defend them?

If you dont think that is normal than who here would be irrational in their thinking? I mean if you are going to make a statement, you need to stand behind those words to individuals even if you were speaking in generalities. That would be the logicasl thing because If A, then B therefore C. You are just reaping the benefits of that.


These are all just words. And to get riled over words is silly. Also, to take exception to the way someone says something is equally silly. The other two have mentioned the need for an emotional out. I think is that's hilarious. Why do women even need an "emotional out?" Why does that have to be "built-in" to the statement that's been made? Men don't need such things, usually. The very name of the "out" even supports my original point -- "Emotional out." Why emotional? Because the "emotional ones" need it.

Often times someone can make a broad, sweeping generalization about men and, if it doesn't apply to me, I usually let it go, unless of course I'm extremely bored and looking for an argument, which admittedly, sometimes I am. I do get bored easily.

That's the fun of my posts, usually. Those secure enough to know that my words don't mean them specifically will let it go. Those who are insecure or looking for a fight, will take the bait with both hands and hold on tight.

The truth of the matter is that it really doesn't matter if there's an "emotional out" or not. I've made such statements before as well, in other threads. I was very careful to include those lovely little "outs" and you know what? I was still attacked by the ones who were too insecure in themselves to let it go. I've made posts where there were more "outs" per sentence that there was actual substance, and still I was attacked. That tells me that, no matter how many "outs" I include or don't include, the ones who will attack in response were going to attack anyway.



Your response to me is confusing. Its like you are taking someone elses words and applying them to my post. What emotional outs do I mention? I never used those words and they have no relevance to the points I made. My statements were about logic and all you speak of is womens need for emotional outs. What the heck are you talking about? My points were about logic and your statements being logical. So if you want to adress what I said and be logical and rational and stick to my points, please do so. But please address me about the topic I spoke of and dont lump my posts in with others. Stay with me here, mkay?

One thing I do have to say positive about Smith is he admits. He doesnt understand women. but he also makes it clear that he doesnt want to and doesnt strive to. That is honest. Whether this will make him happy in the long run remains to be seen. After all he has the arogance of youth but not the wisdom of age. He comes across as very hurt from something in his past but unable to get past it. Someday he may comes back here with some humility and insight. Likely embarassed about how he presents himself.

I kinda think the kid needs a hug, dont you? We love ya unconditionally Smith. cause hes just a kid that needs.....

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 1:21:43 PM   
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Your response to me is confusing. Its like you are taking someone elses words and applying them to my post. What emotional outs do I mention? I never used those words and they have no relevance to the points I made. My statements were about logic and all you speak of is womens need for emotional outs. What the heck are you talking about? My points were about logic and your statements being logical. So if you want to adress what I said and be logical and rational and stick to my points, please do so. But please address me about the topic I spoke of and dont lump my posts in with others. Stay with me here, mkay?


Actually, I did address your topic. But I also included several things from the thread as a whole. You asked if I thought it would be possible just possible that when you insult the whole gender, that some of that gender might take it a wee bit personally.

And the answer is no. Those who are secure in themselves wouldn't. Those who "need" the emotional outs that the others spoke about *would* take it personally.

You also mentioned logic, which is amusing because I find that usually goes right out the window when dealing with overly emotional people. You see to me, logic would dictate that if someone was secure in themselves, they wouldn't take things personally whether there was an emotional out or not. In this case, two women did. And those two women talked about my not having left an emotional out. Logic would dictate that I didn't need to leave one, but then logic doesn't play with some people, does it?

A logical reaction to a personal attack would be to take it personally, I suppose. Unless you were secure in yourself. An *illogical* reaction would be to take a generalization personally. Generalizations are just that, general.

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 1:35:31 PM   
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Your response to me is confusing. Its like you are taking someone elses words and applying them to my post. What emotional outs do I mention? I never used those words and they have no relevance to the points I made. My statements were about logic and all you speak of is womens need for emotional outs. What the heck are you talking about? My points were about logic and your statements being logical. So if you want to adress what I said and be logical and rational and stick to my points, please do so. But please address me about the topic I spoke of and dont lump my posts in with others. Stay with me here, mkay?


Actually, I did address your topic. But I also included several things from the thread as a whole. You asked if I thought it would be possible just possible that when you insult the whole gender, that some of that gender might take it a wee bit personally.

And the answer is no. Those who are secure in themselves wouldn't. Those who "need" the emotional outs that the others spoke about *would* take it personally.

You also mentioned logic, which is amusing because I find that usually goes right out the window when dealing with overly emotional people. You see to me, logic would dictate that if someone was secure in themselves, they wouldn't take things personally whether there was an emotional out or not. In this case, two women did. And those two women talked about my not having left an emotional out. Logic would dictate that I didn't need to leave one, but then logic doesn't play with some people, does it?

A logical reaction to a personal attack would be to take it personally, I suppose. Unless you were secure in yourself. An *illogical* reaction would be to take a generalization personally. Generalizations are just that, general.



I think its funny that you are amused because I am not responding in that overly emotional way you are referring to. You are lumping me in with others and assuming I am the same. Which I am not. I do not have any personal feeling about what you said and I dont feel attacked.

I like you and at the same time I feel for you. I kind of feel sorry for your limited and short sighted veiw of life and I hop that your cynicism will change with age. You are awfully young so there is time for you to mellow.

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 1:54:24 PM   
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I think its funny that you are amused because I am not responding in that overly emotional way you are referring to. You are lumping me in with others and assuming I am the same. Which I am not. I do not have any personal feeling about what you said and I dont feel attacked.

I like you and at the same time I feel for you. I kind of feel sorry for your limited and short sighted veiw of life and I hop that your cynicism will change with age. You are awfully young so there is time for you to mellow.


You tell me you aren't responding the way I am referring to, and yet you do. Your assumption that I've lumped you in with anything is proof enough. I've not said anything about "you" personally. I just said I was amused that you mentioned logic because when dealing with overly emotional people, logic usually goes out the window.

Then after all this, you start in with the "limited and short sighted view of life" and that you "hope my cynicism will change with age."

The funny part is, my cynicism CAME with age. I didn't start out this way, far from it, in fact. And I have already "mellowed" because of it. I'm no longer the young idealist that seeks romance and a perfect storybook life. I'm the older realist who's seen what the world has to offer and is unimpressed.

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 2:13:33 PM   
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Seeking to understand a woman is seeking to understand something that changes daily and is never consistent.

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 2:17:29 PM   
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I think its funny that you are amused because I am not responding in that overly emotional way you are referring to. You are lumping me in with others and assuming I am the same. Which I am not. I do not have any personal feeling about what you said and I dont feel attacked.

I like you and at the same time I feel for you. I kind of feel sorry for your limited and short sighted veiw of life and I hop that your cynicism will change with age. You are awfully young so there is time for you to mellow.


You tell me you aren't responding the way I am referring to, and yet you do. Your assumption that I've lumped you in with anything is proof enough. I've not said anything about "you" personally. I just said I was amused that you mentioned logic because when dealing with overly emotional people, logic usually goes out the window.

Then after all this, you start in with the "limited and short sighted view of life" and that you "hope my cynicism will change with age."

The funny part is, my cynicism CAME with age. I didn't start out this way, far from it, in fact. And I have already "mellowed" because of it. I'm no longer the young idealist that seeks romance and a perfect storybook life. I'm the older realist who's seen what the world has to offer and is unimpressed.



 Yes, the ripe old age of 29!!!!
You said earlier you bait people because you are bored. Like saying you didnt mean something you wrote because I said "is, not is, so I wasnt referring to you. If that is not an example of immaturity. I dont know what is.  But please dont be arrogant enough to think you know how I am reacting because I do not make your point. With you its all a game of semantics. We all can play that game. We just dont choose to.

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 2:36:08 PM   
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Yes, the ripe old age of 29!!!!
You said earlier you bait people because you are bored. Like saying you didnt mean something you wrote because I said "is, not is, so I wasnt referring to you. If that is not an example of immaturity. I dont know what is.  But please dont be arrogant enough to think you know how I am reacting because I do not make your point. With you its all a game of semantics. We all can play that game. We just dont choose to.


Actually, I'm 30, not that it matters.

And I never said I bait people with things I don't mean. That's another example of your reading things into what I said. Everything I have said, I meant. Sometimes I just choose not to participate unless I'm bored. Because you see, in this world of the pussified American male, most males will keep their real feelings back because they know if they are perfectly honest, they won't get laid, or at least they think they won't. I don't care about all that. I know there are many women who respect brutal honesty and old-fashioned thinking. The evidence is in my inbox. I've had more than a handful of women here get "offended" at what I've said on the board, only to e-mail me later in private telling me they were drawn to my honesty and confidence.

I am just one of the few who choose to be uncensored. I'm the same guy in public that you'll see in private. When I tell girls up front that I'm an asshole, they disagree. Then when we are talking and the suddenly react by saying "ASS!" to something I've said, I can only respond with ...."well....yeah...we kinda covered that." "Ass!" is actually a preferred nickname for me from my female friends. Though the same ones who use that nickname also tell me more than once that they respect my honesty and that's largely why they like me. For the longest time, my female friends wanted to always take me shopping with them because they knew that no matter what they looked like in whatever they tried on, I would be honest. I won't let them walk out of a store with jeans that "make them look fat" because I'm afraid to speak up. I'll say "hey, those jeans....nuh-uh, they ain't workin'. Find a different pair." And they admire me for that, even if they do shout "ass!" afterward.

When I feel the need to comment, I do. And I do so with my real thoughts and feelings. When I don't comment, it's because I don't care enough to bother or have other things to do.

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 2:44:01 PM   
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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 3:00:25 PM   
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I like your honesty too, but I know other peole who are honest without being an Ass.


Perhaps. But so far, it's workin' out for me. So....as they say: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 3:22:48 PM   
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1042702/Time-Warp-Wives-Meet-women-really-live-past.html
     I am sure these women vote, but since the article does not address this I am guessing.   Note some of the reasons these women prefer those decades.  They feel more feminine, the Men were more protective, it was a simpler time.  They did take it to extremes, the furniture, clothes, cars even the kitchens.  But they are happier and I guess that is the big picture.  I tend to see the world as it is now in chaos.  No one knows which way to turn for answers.     
    Maybe I will hide myself in my basement and play Wario on my SNES while the world goes by.  Not the 30s, 40s or 50s but I already have the tools in place.  *grins*       nejisty 

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 3:23:56 PM   
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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 3:41:07 PM   
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I am not alone in thinking this way  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1042702/Time-Warp-Wives-Meet-women-really-live-past.html
    I am sure these women vote, but since the article does not address this I am guessing.   Note some of the reasons these women prefer those decades.  They feel more feminine, the Men were more protective, it was a simpler time.  They did take it to extremes, the furniture, clothes, cars even the kitchens.  But they are happier and I guess that is the big picture.  I tend to see the world as it is now in chaos.  No one knows which way to turn for answers.     
   Maybe I will hide myself in my basement and play Wario on my SNES while the world goes by.  Not the 30s, 40s or 50s but I already have the tools in place.  *grins*       nejisty 


Nice article. And the third pic down is hot. I Just picture her wearing a chastity belt under that dress and I'm good. :)

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 4:35:30 PM   
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"Women are evil."

'Nuff said.

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 4:58:05 PM   
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Three words that my girlfriends, my hairdresser, and I tend to agree on, that men don't seem to "get"...

"Women are evil."

'Nuff said.


Who me????

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 4:58:27 PM   
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Three words that my girlfriends, my hairdresser, and I tend to agree on, that men don't seem to "get"...

"Women are evil."

'Nuff said.


Yes.. Women are evil! Evil I say....

having dated enough of them I can say with certainty that you will never know a womans mind unless she tells you.

She of course thinks you should be a mind reader.. and know exactly what she is thinking/feeling. Even being a woman I have no clue usualy..

However there are a few tricks that will help.

Not sure if this was mentioned yet.. but

1. Dont *fix* her problems when she comes to you to talk about them unless she asks. Just be a good ear.. and listen. Some good input is ok. But dont be a Fixer.

2. Give her space.. but not too much. ( this varies with each woman. ~ good luck!) ~ best to ask her how you are doing...

3. Be supportive. What ever she is doing.. at least act like you care... ask her questions on what she is involved in or doing. Ask how you can help her if things are stressed or difficult.

4. Don't be too pushy. Be firm, and motivated.. but no one likes a pushy bastard.

5. Understand women now a days have to be Super Woman. We hold down jobs as important as yours.. we clean the house... ( you can clean too ya know) and we raise the kids ( being help here will get you far!)
Often we are tired, fustrated, worn out.. and did I mention tired?

This means on the usual M-F we can not go for 6 hours of hanky panky... do not become a child when we are tired or just plain out of it. If you want your woman to be more attentive help out with the kids, and around the house if your woman works.

6. Understand that for the average woman logic does not work. They are not logical creatures.. they are creatures of emotion. ( for the most part) Touch them in the heart.. be a good man.. show her you love her, and adore her.. and she will walk through hell in a Gasoline G string for you. Be unfeeling, uncaring.. and she will find someone who touches her heart.

7. if faithfulness is expected.. damn it be faithful.

8 if polly is expected, do not see it as your open ticket to have a harem. Set up rules for you both.. and stick to them. Change them if need be as time passes and you learn what buttons situations push.

9. Women like honest compliments. We are driven by them. Do not give us false ones.. we know BS when we hear it. If we change our hair.. notice. If we buy a new dress.. and dress sexy for you.. mention it.

be appreciative. Beauty is often painful and costly. You menfolk have very little clue about what we go through to look all pretty.

10. Listen.. even if she is going on and on.. I know it is hard. We are talkitive creatures. Try not to zone out. She might say something important eventualy.. and damn it you *had better* have been listening. It will bite you in the ass later if you dont.

most of all..... Good luck! You'll need it.

Gwyn

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 5:03:47 PM   
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The award for best advice on understanding women goes to YOU!!!

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 5:12:19 PM   
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I was a call center supervisor. One of my agents was a stripper who had become too old to dance anymore, and was trying to begin again. The behavior of the administration was appalling. Even the center director would smile in her face, then snipe at her behind her back. I was appalled, and said so. More than once she was placed in a position to be embarassed by the director, who then bragged about it to all of us later in a business meeting. It was this experience I was speaking out of. The director and her "posse" were all women. Go figure.

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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 5:22:37 PM   
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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 5:43:39 PM   
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RE: Understanding women???? - 8/10/2008 5:54:23 PM   
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A man once found a bottle on a beach. When he opened it, a genii came out and looked balefully down at him.

"Ok, buddy," the genii said "First of all, you noticed that I'm not a beautiful woman...deal with it. Second, I've been "found" eight times this month so I'm not doing any of this three wish crap. You get one wish and you'll like it. And third, I'm not moving heaven and earth to make your little heart glad, so make the wish reasonable..ok?"

Well, the man thought a bit and said "Ok....I've always wanted to see hawaii but I'm afraid to fly and I hate boats. What I want is a bridge from California to Hawaii so I can drive over."

"Are you kidding? The Genii scoffs, "Do you know how much work that would be? I would have to get the steel and the concrete and drill holes in the ocean and weld the whole thing together. It would be a freaking nightmare to do all that work. Try another wish."

"In that case," the man says "I've never understodd women. I would really like to know what women want, what they expect, how they think. I really want to understand women."

"So," the genii replies after a moment, "Did you want that to be a 2 lane or a 4 lane bridge?"



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