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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 1:14:14 PM   
Lynnxz


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Status: offline 		I think the scene would be fun- but to be used as an object of entertainment would piss me off to no end.
Tie me up and wave pointy things at me all you want, I have no problem with it.. but do it with the sole purpose of getting a laugh out of your friends? Yeahh... that's a whole bucket of go fuck yourself.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 1:52:01 PM   
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He takes his new date to the dungeon.  Being a very nice Dom type, he explains all that he is about to do in advance.  He ties her up nicely for full suspension and elevates her on the davit.  Then he puts a sword under her belly button like an inverted Damocles sword situation.  It presses against her and is held in place.  He puts a blindfold on her and then tells her he is going to adjust the sword.  Secretly, the sword is removed and an unknown accomplice sneaks up and holds a short dagger in its place.  Then the Dominant tells his submissive he is going to adjust the ropes.  He takes the hand crank for the davit and yells “ooops”, dropping her down a foot quickly. 



*claps*
Great... just great... NOW I have to add another section to the dungeon plans... just when I thought I could do without full body suspension.

My mind fuck was not so dramatic,  My pet is more easily frightened than that.  I purchased  a couple of scalpels from the medical supply store and began cutting my mangoes with them... analyzing how deep they cut and commenting on the depth- paying special attention to the "oh dear, that one went clean through... I hope YOUR skin isn't quite this tender".

I do have another one... but it was an entirely different context, I was the oldest of three siblings and mental torture was my birthright.  Suffice to say my sister did not go on carnival rides for a few years due to an offhand remark I once made on the "spider".
yeah, I was ALWAYS in trouble.

Lady Jag 

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 2:48:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

I think the scene would be fun- but to be used as an object of entertainment would piss me off to no end.
Tie me up and wave pointy things at me all you want, I have no problem with it.. but do it with the sole purpose of getting a laugh out of your friends? Yeahh... that's a whole bucket of go fuck yourself.

Ya, what she said.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 8:20:15 PM   
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personally, i would like to know how he likes his coffee and or tea, before i possibly could die for his enjoyment.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 8:26:56 PM   
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it comes out as nasty, arrogant and callous. Too bad huh if the girl cant take it?
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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 9:16:29 PM   
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Sharks are not good to swim with.

If you’re a smart shark, the only thing worse swimming with is other sharks.  Swimming with anything else or anything less intelligent isn’t worth the investment of time because they won’t survive the long run.  Why bother with something that won’t survive because it is too stupid or frail?  I respect time, both mine and the other persons, why waste it?  Invest yourself wisely.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 9:28:42 PM   
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Swimming with anything else or anything less intelligent isn’t worth the investment of time because they won’t survive the long run. Why bother with something that won’t survive because it is too stupid or frail? I respect time, both mine and the other persons, why waste it? Invest yourself wisely.


Do you believe everyone who responded negatively (for several reasons) to your buddy's mind fuck submissive test is too stupid or frail to invest your time in? 

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 9:35:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		If this were me I would be really really angry. I actually had a Dom I played with once do something similar to me--he had me tied up and gagged and did breath play on me without my permission. I fell apart-started crying-then got very angry at him. Never saw him after that.
I second what Nedding More said-this is not a fair test of a sub's abilities, nor does it mean that s/he is weak or stupid if s/he "fails" it...I would think the true test would be whether they stood up for themselves and refused to be tied down by a pratical stranger at a public club in the first place. That's the kind of sub I would want.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 9:55:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey RS, My point of view is this--I have seen your postings and your website and thought you were kind of interesting. This particular post though makes me feel ill. The mind fuck sounds like crap to me, I would hate it (although I would not get suspended around knives/swords to begin with). I dont think it is funny or sexy, or a good test of anything at all, the mindfuck. I think it is a-hole behavior.

I am not a shark, nor do I aspire to ever be one. To me they are like underwater cockroaches.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 10:09:06 PM   
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Sharks are not good to swim with.

If you’re a smart shark, the only thing worse swimming with is other sharks.  Swimming with anything else or anything less intelligent isn’t worth the investment of time because they won’t survive the long run.  Why bother with something that won’t survive because it is too stupid or frail?  I respect time, both mine and the other persons, why waste it?  Invest yourself wisely.


Greetings RS -
I'm not stupid.  I'm not frail.  And frankly, I'm about as submissive as they come.  Not to mention smart.  But tie my pretty ass up over a sword?  THAT is stupid. I agree ... that level of trust is foolish in the beginning.  On both their parts.  Your friend sounds kind of immature.  This will bite him in the ass some day.  And the women?  Oh lord don't even get me started with that. 

well wishes,
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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 10:40:40 PM   
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Swimming with anything else or anything less intelligent isn’t worth the investment of time because they won’t survive the long run. Why bother with something that won’t survive because it is too stupid or frail? I respect time, both mine and the other persons, why waste it? Invest yourself wisely.

Do you believe everyone who responded negatively (for several reasons) to your buddy's mind fuck submissive test is too stupid or frail to invest your time in? 


Yes, a mind fuck is a great way to test the depth and sincerity of someone’s submission and compatibility whether it is in the beginning of a relationship or years down the road.  Yes, I would not get along with anyone that couldn’t “submit” to the degree required to handle a mind fuck. 

Using the metaphor at hand, I would not own or swim with a guppies.  Guppies should swim with guppies, sharks with sharks.  It’s all about compatibility.  Birds of a feather and all you know.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 10:50:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is obviously your perogative to filter people out this way.  I know the level of submission I am capable of, as I have certainly done more frightening things than having my ass hung over a knife.  But without a level of trust developed, particularly if on a first or second "date", as you mentioned, I would lose respect for the man doing this, and wouldn't find him qualified to my standards of what I would submit to.  And that kind of filtering is my perogative.

Your friend may be missing out on some fantastic slavery in this process, but that is his choice, of course.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 10:52:25 PM   
NeedingMore220


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Status: offline 		And it's also about being condescending as hell.  What a shame.  I had a totally different image of you prior to this  thread...  

Damn skippy it's all about compatability, but that has nothing to do with the perceived edginess of a mind fuck you describe.  

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 10:59:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see a submissive who wouldn't enjoy the mind fuck as stupid... or frail- and I'm surprised to hear that kind of statement from you. Likewise, it appears that you are comparing people who don't participate in the same activities that you enjoy- to guppies. Sharks > Guppies, and are way the hell down on the food chain. Are you insinuating that other people are 'below' you just because you like to poke girls with sharp things?

The act in itself isn't dangerous, providing the idiot holding the dagger is in fact- *not* an idiot. It's the whole "I'm going to take this female I just met- string her up in front of a crowd of people she may or may not be comfortable with, and then use her to amuse my friends- thus reinforcing my position of King of the Kinky Amusing Degrading Shit" That I wouldn't like- but then again it's only me.

Now, I suppose if she enjoys being little more than a party trick, more power to the both of them.


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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 11:03:46 PM   
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Hey RS, My point of view is this--I have seen your postings and your website and thought you were kind of interesting. This particular post though makes me feel ill. The mind fuck sounds like crap to me, I would hate it (although I would not get suspended around knives/swords to begin with). I dont think it is funny or sexy, or a good test of anything at all, the mindfuck. I think it is a-hole behavior.

I am not a shark, nor do I aspire to ever be one. To me they are like underwater cockroaches.

Cockroaches may very well outlive both sharks and mankind on this planet because their adaptability exceeds both…  unlike this thread and the many narrow minded comments about this awesome and classic BDSM mind fuck story. 

You’re point is well taken and you never would have dated this guy in the first place because you don’t play with those things.  You don’t have a mind fuck story to share. 

If this is a situation that doesn’t apply to you, why-o-why did you project yourself into it passing judgment on it and me from a point of view that is inapplicable in an area you are not experienced playing in?  I think no less of you because your style is different than mine.  I don’t plan to project myself into your stories or situations that don't apply to my experience and judge you by them. 

I think it would be better for us learn from people experienced in things we aren’t.  Perhaps you have some questions that I can answer that will shed light on the motives, emotions, effects and growth that comes from a "mind fuck" or dangerous edge play?

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 11:09:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with your friends' particular mind fuck is (using your own metaphors here), he's taking a fish and tossing it into the shark tank in order to discover if it's a shark or not. Problem is, sharks will eat their young.

I love a good mind fuck; no doubt about it. But to have someone I've only just started playing with pull a stunt like this on me is out of the question. Part of the delicious agony of a mind fuck is the trust involved in pulling one off. Granted, someone I've just begun playing with can mind fuck me to a certain extent, but the degree to which you've indicated is something generally reserved for people who've been playing together for a while and have a trust based relationship. To pull that stunt (and in the scenario you've described, it's exactly that) on someone new to you and possibly to BDSM isn't a mind fuck at all; it's simply a cruel joke, regardless of what excuse you attach to it.

Can you test the mettle of a submissive by using a mind fuck? Sure you can. But it's also an outstanding way to test a dominant. Is the man capable, empathetic, experienced, intelligent, and respectful? Or does he take advantage of innocence (and ignorance) and twist it in an effort to make himself 'look cool'? This trick you speak of doesn't make your friend a shark, and it doesn't make you a shark either just because you've enjoyed witnessing or hearing about the event. It more closely resembles the behavior of a parana: move in large schools and devour your prey in seconds.

Just because I wouldn't submit to something this extreme in the beginning of a relationship doesn't make me any less of a submissive. Nor does it determine whether or not I'm ready to 'run with the big boys'.

I don't know which is more disturbing:
The idea that someone would submit to this sort of thing in a desperate attempt to please a dominant they've only just met.
Or the idea that a supposidly experienced and skilled dominant would 'test' a new submissive in such an inconsiderate, thoughtless manner.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 11:13:34 PM   
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It is obviously your perogative to filter people out this way.  I know the level of submission I am capable of, as I have certainly done more frightening things than having my ass hung over a knife.  But without a level of trust developed, particularly if on a first or second "date", as you mentioned, I would lose respect for the man doing this, and wouldn't find him qualified to my standards of what I would submit to.  And that kind of filtering is my perogative.

Your friend may be missing out on some fantastic slavery in this process, but that is his choice, of course.

Well put and very true.  However, I can’t speak for him but would tell you I chose “Resident Sadist” as a screen name because it scares the tourists away much like my friends mind fuck would.  It’s ok to loose a few that may have been “fantastic [in] slavery.”  The world is teaming with compatible people. 

I have often found it is harder and takes longer to find out what you need than it does to get it once you know what it is.  Both my old friend and I are very self-aware and know what we need.  For both of us, narrowing the field to only that which fits is a more productive route that testing and retesting the masses to see if one of the square pegs will fit in a round hole.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 11:24:50 PM   
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Well put and very true.  However, I can’t speak for him but would tell you I chose “Resident Sadist” as a screen name because it scares the tourists away much like my friends mind fuck would.  It’s ok to loose a few that may have been “fantastic [in] slavery.”  The world is teaming with compatible people. 

I really do understand the tourist factor.  I imagine it works in both directions.  I don't think it is particularly fair, however, to stamp people with labels of "stupid" and "frail" as you have, any more than it would be for me to label you as such for approving of such an act.  People are entitled to their opinions, of course, just as I'm entitled to think contrary to them.

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I have often found it is harder and takes longer to find out what you need than it does to get it once you know what it is.  Both my old friend and I are very self-aware and know what we need.  For both of us, narrowing the field to only that which fits is a more productive route that testing and retesting the masses to see if one of the square pegs will fit in a round hole.


I agree about the time it takes to learn what one needs.  What this exercise in your OP tells me is that what you and your friend prefer is someone who will submit to the whims of an unknown man rather than someone who reserves all she is for someone  she believes has risen above the rest.  I don't think I could wisely conclude someone is outstanding in just a date or two.

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 11:25:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		that is a rather hot story, but i gotta ask something of everyone playing damn the dom. before you let yourself get flipped i would assume you have some idea of whom you are interacting with. if that doesnt give you some clue to what you are asking for and if you can handle it. ya might best think twice about it. or does personal responsiblity not count for anything?

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RE: -=Damocles mind fuck=- - 8/10/2008 11:36:18 PM   
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that is a rather hot story, but i gotta ask something of everyone playing damn the dom. before you let yourself get flipped i would assume you have some idea of whom you are interacting with. if that doesnt give you some clue to what you are asking for and if you can handle it. ya might best think twice about it. or does personal responsiblity not count for anything?
Hi ya lee,
That was the point of the mind fuck itself to a degree.  Like I said in an earlier reply, “If a girl can’t take a good fuck, mentally or otherwise, she shouldn’t "submit" to being hung over a deadly sword in the first place” 

As far as the people expressing negative judgment about a situation they wouldn’t get into in the first place, well, that’s just damn silly.

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