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RealityLicks -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 1:09:31 PM)
Was it Mel Brooks who did the Two Thousand Year-old Man? I've never met anyone with 2000 years of knowledge in their heads, just people who learn through life in the normal human way. Some seem to find this harder than others and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's just when these slow learners insist that they are the embodiment of knowledge and wisdom that they become trying. Illuminating to discover that civilisation started just 2000 years ago, 50 years after the Library of Alexandria was destroyed. [8\|]

Daddystouch -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 2:14:08 PM)
Racism. Is. Funny. Stupid, but funny. Just like domestic abuse, the holocaust, AIDS, rape, animal cruelty, sexism, pedophilia and just about every other sick thing you can name. Just go watch Family Guy. Personally, I think if people lightened up and appreciated comedy regardless of the subject matter, saw the funny side of bad things, the world would be a better place. Telling a racist joke does not make one racist, and racist jokes can be hilarious. True, some are bad, but some knock knock jokes are bad. But in the example given in the OP, the joke was not even racist. It was a joke about skin colour, not a joke that implied negativity across an entire race. Would I be racist for saying to a scared white guy "you're as white as a sheet!"?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 2:19:59 PM)
You are confusing the use of words here. To tell that joke you would be nothing, and the joke would be racial. Racist implies that you are putting down a race of people because of superior attitude and beliefs based upon race. quote: ORIGINAL: Daddystouch Racism. Is. Funny. Stupid, but funny. Just like domestic abuse, the holocaust, AIDS, rape, animal cruelty, sexism, pedophilia and just about every other sick thing you can name. Just go watch Family Guy. Personally, I think if people lightened up and appreciated comedy regardless of the subject matter, saw the funny side of bad things, the world would be a better place. Telling a racist joke does not make one racist, and racist jokes can be hilarious. True, some are bad, but some knock knock jokes are bad. But in the example given in the OP, the joke was not even racist. It was a joke about skin colour, not a joke that implied negativity across an entire race. Would I be racist for saying to a scared white guy "you're as white as a sheet!"?

Mercnbeth -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 2:28:27 PM)
~ Fast Reply ~ Help me out here. I trying my best to get in step with the PC crowd. I'm going to a Munch tonight where I'll be seeing a very close friend who attended my last home party a few weeks back. While there and we were soaking together, naked in the hot tub (Me anyway - she's too much the shy lady!) I noted that my skin was darker than hers. Oh, I forgot to mention, she's black. Anyway, we'll be together again tonight at a Munch in the South Bay. Will it be racist of me, when I go over to her and compare arms again for 'bragging rights'?

Thadius -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 2:34:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth ~ Fast Reply ~ Help me out here. I trying my best to get in step with the PC crowd. I'm going to a Munch tonight where I'll be seeing a very close friend who attended my last home party a few weeks back. While there and we were soaking together, naked in the hot tub (Me anyway - she's too much the shy lady!) I noted that my skin was darker than hers. Oh, I forgot to mention, she's black. Anyway, we'll be together again tonight at a Munch in the South Bay. Will it be racist of me, when I go over to her and compare arms again for 'bragging rights'? Only if her penis is longer than yours. [;)] Have a great time.

RealityLicks -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 2:36:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Will it be racist of me, when I go over to her and compare arms again for 'bragging rights'? In short, of course it will. It will be an act of such barbaric evil that no right-thinking person will ever be seen in your company again. On a more serious note, reading between the lines it's interesting that she will not be bragging about being paler than you. An underhanded compliment often gives notice of what is an advantage in society and what is not. And that's my final word on this thread, fwiw.

Level -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 4:45:25 PM)
Rascist? quote: Spain's Olympic basketball team posed for an advertisement prior to the Games which appears to show all its players slanting their eyes, a move that could offend its Olympic hosts in Beijing. The ads, for a Spanish courier company, appeared in the Spanish-language newspaper La Marca. http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing/blog/fourth_place_medal/post/Spanish-basketball-team-poses-for-offensive-pict?urn=oly,100152

Daddystouch -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 4:52:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf You are confusing the use of words here. To tell that joke you would be nothing, and the joke would be racial. Racist implies that you are putting down a race of people because of superior attitude and beliefs based upon race. quote: ORIGINAL: Daddystouch Racism. Is. Funny. Stupid, but funny. Just like domestic abuse, the holocaust, AIDS, rape, animal cruelty, sexism, pedophilia and just about every other sick thing you can name. Just go watch Family Guy. Personally, I think if people lightened up and appreciated comedy regardless of the subject matter, saw the funny side of bad things, the world would be a better place. Telling a racist joke does not make one racist, and racist jokes can be hilarious. True, some are bad, but some knock knock jokes are bad. But in the example given in the OP, the joke was not even racist. It was a joke about skin colour, not a joke that implied negativity across an entire race. Would I be racist for saying to a scared white guy "you're as white as a sheet!"? Um, I didn't confuse them at all? I was pointing out the confusion of the OP. She said her friend made a joke about a black person in green looking like some kind of food. I was making the point that this is not a racist joke, but a joke about race.

Briena -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 5:19:39 PM)
I think the term "Racist" is used far too liberally now days. It has lost its actual meaning. Ill be honest, I say mean things about all types of people, picking out their flaws and laughing about it with my husband... Whatever, Im sure others do the same to me. Does that make me racist if its done to people of another race than myself? My best friend is Mexican and I call him a beaner all the time. We laugh and joke about eachother with no issues. If an outsider heard it then they would lable me a racist... But am I a racist if I joke with my best friend and we call eachother racial names? Another thing to ask is if the "friend" of yours would turn around and take the welfare of a white guy over a black persons welfare just over race... If I see two people who need help of two different races I help them both. A racist wouldnt. A racist would choose the white guy or the mexican guy or whatever race he is of over the other race. A racist belittles every person of that race without the thought of the individuals. A racist doesnt care if you cured cancer, and saved billions of lives, if your not of his race he hates you. Thats racism. Making a joke about how that fat black chick looked in her dress isnt racist, its just a rude comment that you didnt like. Saying that all black people look like gorillas is kinda racist though. If you dont like the comments he makes about others then tell him, if you have told him then end the friendship. I dont like racists, Ive been tormented and beat up by them growing up and its no fun. The people you surround yourself with reflect on you. If you dont want to be viewed in the same light as others view him then drop him like a hot potato. You might not be a racist but if you surround yourself with a bunch of nazi skin heads youre going to be viewed as one. Blessings :D

candystripper -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 7:41:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth ~ Fast Reply ~ Help me out here. I trying my best to get in step with the PC crowd. I'm going to a Munch tonight where I'll be seeing a very close friend who attended my last home party a few weeks back. While there and we were soaking together, naked in the hot tub (Me anyway - she's too much the shy lady!) I noted that my skin was darker than hers. Oh, I forgot to mention, she's black. Anyway, we'll be together again tonight at a Munch in the South Bay. Will it be racist of me, when I go over to her and compare arms again for 'bragging rights'? I'll assume you really want an answer. It depends...only you know this lady and only you can guage what HER reaction is likely to be. She may laugh...but look at you just a tiny bit differently afterwards. It is an unnecessary thing to say, it carries a risk of offending someone you like....so why say it? I have always had friends of different religions and races since I was 14 and aged out of the orphanage (which was oddly very non-diverse). Real friends...people who loved me and accepted me and protected me and did all the things friends do. My best friend from my high school and college years was an Orthodox Jew of Russian descent, with Holocaust survivors still living among her relatives. I was sent away from her house when a relative-survivor would visit because I was not a Jew, and my presence might unwittingly upset a frail, elderly person. Was I curious about these people? Of course I was. I was fascinated, just as any kid would be by something set away from view. Did I ask my friend about them? Not that I recall. It was pretty apparent that these people coped in part by isolating themselves from anything and anyone non-Jewish. I sensed my questions would be unwelcome..even offensive..and held my tongue. If you want diversity in your life (and it seems we do) then you too need an antenna. With some of your friends, you can say and do anything and no harm will be done. With others, greater sensitivity may be needed. *One does not seek* to cause distress to the people one cares for....it's not a great deal more complicated than that. Merely use some manners and common sense and you should be fine. candystripper**

Mercnbeth -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 10:48:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Will it be racist of me, when I go over to her and compare arms again for 'bragging rights'? In short, of course it will. It will be an act of such barbaric evil that no right-thinking person will ever be seen in your company again. On a more serious note, reading between the lines it's interesting that she will not be bragging about being paler than you. An underhanded compliment often gives notice of what is an advantage in society and what is not. And that's my final word on this thread, fwiw. Well, as it turns out she had been in the sun much more than I have been since we were together and I lost my edge. We've made it a 2 out of three contest and will be posting the results after the next munch. In her opinion she thought it was racist that anyone would consider it racist.

Vendaval -> RE: Racist or not? (8/12/2008 11:24:49 PM)
Hello Merc, I think you and your friend have a good working relationship and are able to trade jokes with each other. My best friend in high school back in the day was glow-in-the-dark-white, a British girl whose family immigrated to California. I become a golden brown in the summer time, she burns and peels...and still glows in the dark.

candystripper -> RE: Racist or not? (8/17/2008 3:22:28 AM)
[sm=lastthing.gif] 'Racism is man's gravest threat to man - the maximum of hatred for a minimum of reason. By: Abraham J. Hershel, (Jewish theologian and philosopher, 1907-1972). candystripper [sm=pole.gif]

ShreveportMaster -> RE: Racist or not? (8/17/2008 8:37:45 AM)
FR, Jeff Gordon is a racist, so is Dale Jr. How do I know? Because they make their living racing! After all, if one makes their living in the arts, they are an artist, if in the sciences, they are a scientist...Hence all NASCAR drivers are racists. Ethnicity, Race, or whatever the hell else you want to call what color wrapper people come in is part of life, but it's carried to extremes on all sides by waaayyyyyyy too many pee-pul. An example, almost no one thinks it odd, or unusual that the NAACP or LULAC exists, or that there is a Black History month to honor the contributions of folks like George Washington Carver, or Fredrick Douglas, No one finds it unusual that there are scholarships set up that you must be of a certain ethnic background to qualify for. Almost no one considers those ideas "racist". *BUT*, if someone were to set up the National Association for the Advancement of White People, or the United Anglo College fund, or celebrate White History month That MUST be racist. (I wonder if the Hulk would qualify for membership in the NAACP, or is Green not considered colored?) How about Native Americans? I was born here, so therefore I qualify as a Native American, most here probably do too. How about the New York fire-fighter who, on world wide television told OBL to "Kiss my Royal Irish Ass" Was he being racist? OK, granted these examples may seem a bit out there...but then again I also think the "nuke gay whales" bumper sticker is hillarious. BTW, the flush the punch bowl is an aggie joke. Akin to Q:why did the Aggie blow a hole in the toilet? A: he was shooting craps, and missed. Bottom line, EVERYBODY is prejudiced, when you change your mind, you simply rearrange your prejudices. Or, as the song goes from Ave Q "everybody is a little bit racist"... Especially if you drive 500 miles in 2.3 hours [;)] I wish you well, Shreve

lronitulstahp -> RE: Racist or not? (8/17/2008 8:39:07 AM)
LOL....dammit, time to burn all my Nascar memorabilia.....

RealityLicks -> RE: Racist or not? (8/17/2008 9:17:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ralph Wiggum Me fail English? That's unpossible. My cat's breath smells like cat food.

kiwisub12 -> RE: Racist or not? (8/17/2008 12:19:12 PM)
does he make statements like this one on other subjects? If he does, then he is just insensitive. If no, then he is insensitive and prejudiced. And if you don't like it, leave when he makes these comments. Sooner or later he will pick up on the cause of your leaving and if you are important to him, he will change his way of speaking. If you are not, he won't. Easy. If there isn't an audience, there won't be any comments.

Alumbrado -> RE: Racist or not? (8/17/2008 1:02:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShreveportMaster FR, Jeff Gordon is a racist, so is Dale Jr. How do I know? Because they make their living racing! After all, if one makes their living in the arts, they are an artist, if in the sciences, they are a scientist...Hence all NASCAR drivers are racists. Ethnicity, Race, or whatever the hell else you want to call what color wrapper people come in is part of life, but it's carried to extremes on all sides by waaayyyyyyy too many pee-pul. An example, almost no one thinks it odd, or unusual that the NAACP or LULAC exists, or that there is a Black History month to honor the contributions of folks like George Washington Carver, or Fredrick Douglas, No one finds it unusual that there are scholarships set up that you must be of a certain ethnic background to qualify for. Almost no one considers those ideas "racist". *BUT, if someone were to set up the National Association for the Advancement of White People, or the United Anglo College fund, or celebrate White History month That MUST be racist...... Perhaps you could contribute to your white history month notion by linking to some credible sources on all the generations of white Americans held in chattel slavery? Or denied the right to vote, etc? After all, you were assuming ceteris parabus*, right?

ShreveportMaster -> RE: Racist or not? (8/17/2008 3:11:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: ORIGINAL: ShreveportMaster FR, Jeff Gordon is a racist, so is Dale Jr. How do I know? Because they make their living racing! After all, if one makes their living in the arts, they are an artist, if in the sciences, they are a scientist...Hence all NASCAR drivers are racists. Ethnicity, Race, or whatever the hell else you want to call what color wrapper people come in is part of life, but it's carried to extremes on all sides by waaayyyyyyy too many pee-pul. An example, almost no one thinks it odd, or unusual that the NAACP or LULAC exists, or that there is a Black History month to honor the contributions of folks like George Washington Carver, or Fredrick Douglas, No one finds it unusual that there are scholarships set up that you must be of a certain ethnic background to qualify for. Almost no one considers those ideas "racist". *BUT, if someone were to set up the National Association for the Advancement of White People, or the United Anglo College fund, or celebrate White History month That MUST be racist...... Perhaps you could contribute to your white history month notion by linking to some credible sources on all the generations of white Americans held in chattel slavery? Or denied the right to vote, etc? After all, you were assuming ceteris parabus*, right? First, Black History month is not "everything that was wrong about slavery and the Jim Crow era month. " Most black folks I know (and having spent the last 4 years in Shreveport, I know a LOT) will be the first ones to point out the contributions of people like Carver (who happens to be one of My personal heroes) MLK, and other luminaries to America as a whole, not specifically in regards to their work just on behalf of other black people during the War. or establishing equal voting rights, etc. I have no more problem with this than I do with St. Paddy's day parades, or enjoying a Cinco de Mayo celebration. (which is a big deal in Texas) La Raza has scholarships that you must be of Mexican or Latin American descent to qualify for, yet I've never seen in the history books where generations of Mexicans were held in chattel slavery. But I don't see anyone loudly denouncing them, or the practice of gathering money, primarily from people of that ethnic background, to disburse to young people of the same ethnic background to obtain higher education. Last I checked, Equal Rights, meant exactly that, the same rights for EVERYBODY. Nobody is denying that slavery happened, or that it was wrong, or that the Jim Crow era occurred, and was equally wrong. No one that I am aware of is suggesting those things be forgotten. I can't speak for others, but I'm not suggesting that Black History month be done away with, BUT if you want to be perfectly fair and equal there should also be White History month, NAAWP, UACF, and the other things mentioned. If it's wrong for white people, it's wrong for blacks, asians, latino's etc. To say otherwise is to become a NASCAR driver [8D] I wish you well, Shreve

Daddystouch -> RE: Racist or not? (8/17/2008 5:42:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: ORIGINAL: ShreveportMaster *BUT, if someone were to set up... celebrate White History month That MUST be racist...... Perhaps you could contribute to your white history month notion by linking to some credible sources on all the generations of white Americans held in chattel slavery? Or denied the right to vote, etc? After all, you were assuming ceteris parabus*, right? Why is study of the race being ensalved and denied the ability to vote more important than study of the race that enslaved and denied the a race the ability to vote? All things being equal? They are equal. Blacks and whites have both lived in the Americas for roughly the same length of time, both have just as much history of just as much importance as each other.

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