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RE: Can there auctually be Real Slavery in this lifestyle? - 8/12/2008 3:12:47 AM

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In the context of BDSM I see your point it means something different, it means a consenual realtionship.

Perhaps I was being a bit pedantic.

Well being pedantic would explain it. I'm glad you said that. I can be a pedant in technical debates, usually for fun. lol

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RE: Can there auctually be Real Slavery in this lifestyle? - 8/12/2008 3:16:31 AM

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Pffttt, I am queen of pedant... no worries. It's all cool.
The Slavery Convention defines slavery as

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"the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised"

This document doesn't define slavery as being - in particular - non consensual. If most countires took this into consideration, not simply BDSM circles, you would find that slavery would and indeed does exist legally.
Of course, you would get human rights activiststhrowing tantrumsall over the place if it was accepted on it's opening definition.

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RE: Can there auctually be Real Slavery in this lifestyle? - 8/12/2008 4:02:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: DomDolf

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ORIGINAL: rookey

Like I say slavery is by definition non-consenual, so the expression 'consenual slavery' is a contradiction in terms. In BDSM the term slavery has had it's meaning extended to become a synonym of submission, which can be consenual.

I understood what you were saying. In BDSM there are paradoxical situations and there are things that you may feel are contradictions, but they exist. Your defining something, even if from a dictionary, in this lifestyle will not always make you right.

By the way, I join with the.dark, in welcoming you to the forums.

Dolf

Many thanks Dolf. I'm new to BDSM and still learning its lexicon. So perhaps I was being presumptuous.

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RE: Can there auctually be Real Slavery in this lifestyle? - 8/12/2008 4:30:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Pffttt, I am queen of pedant... no worries. It's all cool.
The Slavery Convention defines slavery as

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"the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised"

This document doesn't define slavery as being - in particular - non consensual. If most countires took this into consideration, not simply BDSM circles, you would find that slavery would and indeed does exist legally.
Of course, you would get human rights activiststhrowing tantrumsall over the place if it was accepted on it's opening definition.

the.dark.

Thank you for bringing this up. In many cultures around the world, individuals volunteer to be slaves in the most real and legal sense of the word because it is a means of supporting their family or paying off debts. Because it is voluntary, some say "indentured" but it isn't always considered possible to buy back the bond. Prisoners of war often had the choice of slavery or death and of course many chose slavery. In most cultures a slave could possibly buy his/her freedom. We Americans tend to think we invented slavery with the capture and importation of African peoples, but selling oneself into slavery as a way to survive or pay a debt, has been around for countless centuries.

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RE: Can there auctually be Real Slavery in this lifestyle? - 8/12/2008 4:52:29 AM

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An inherent strength of the English language is it's ability to assimilate words and phrases from other languages (and cultures), and it's fluidity in terms of allowing users to modify the form and meaning of words and phrases.

Subcultures of every kind tend to create their own definitions and usages as need arises.

This fluidity, quite naturally, results in not everyone being clear on (or wishing to adhere to) specific definitions. It doesn't make those definitions less valid.

There is no other language in which you could hear the following "coined" phrase, and know exactly how the speaker feels:

"Don't fool with me, I'm having a bad fuel day!" (i.e. I had to buy gas)

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RE: Can there auctually be Real Slavery in this lifestyle? - 8/13/2008 5:42:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: hopelessfool
But again, to me it doesnt matter if people wish to be called slaves, submit to the level of being a slave gives over every right and peice of property. If thats their kink thats their kink. To me it doesnt make them a slave they can always leave.
Slavery and consent just to me is an oxymoron. I personally dont care about the label, as long as im kitten and hes Daddy

It doesn't matter if you wish to be called a "kitten" and he wishes to be called "Daddy." I seriously doubt you are really a tiny, four legged, furry young feline and I hope he's not really your parent. So you see, it really doesn't matter about labels. To me, it doesn't make you a "real" kitten, you can always just start talking or doing some other "human" things and everyone could see you're not "really" a kitten.

If me being called "slaveluci" is such an oxymoron, you calling you and him "kitten" and "Daddy" doesn't really make a lot of sense either. They're little names and titles we each receive and use. I don't think any of them are meant to be taken as literally as some take them. If it's your kink to use "kitten" and "Daddy," I personally don't care as long as I'm His slave and He's "Master." It's never been my kink to be a "kitten" but if that's yours, that's yours. See how that works both ways?

......................luci

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RE: Can there auctually be Real Slavery in this lifestyle? - 8/13/2008 5:59:16 AM

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is true slavery even a reality?

Yes, there is all over the world. It's not playtime slavery though.

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RE: Can there auctually be Real Slavery in this lifestyle? - 8/13/2008 6:04:19 AM

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Pendantic. Thank you for the new word. Probably will never use it.

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