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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 8:50:12 AM   
marieToo


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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 9:39:10 AM   
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Outside the world created by the leaching lawyers, 'contingency litigation' is know as extortion.

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 9:51:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Or mergers and acquistions.
 
How stupid to commit a felony to acquire what, with a little trickery, can be had for the taking legally.  Just ask the pensioners from Enron and Worldcom.
 
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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 10:13:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: candystripper

Or mergers and acquistions.
 
How stupid to commit a felony to acquire what, with a little trickery, can be had for the taking legally.  Just ask the pensioners from Enron and Worldcom.
 
candystripper
In an environment created and run by whom? Lawyers.  Yup - just ask the pensioners - I'm sure they love the lawyers filing their class action lawsuits. The pensioners may get $250.00 each. The lawyers, like Senator Edwards for example self labeled 'King of Class Action'; hundreds of millions. It's a 'love-fest!"

I guess that's why people go to law school. It would be a felony if a law degree wasn't hanging from the wall. I'm glad we agree on that point.

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 10:24:18 AM   
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Thadius:  "A law degree alone also doesn't allow one to practice law in many places.  Technically I could go and take the bar exam now, without my degree being in law. "


Actually, Thadius, no.  There is only one US state that will let you sit for the bar exam without having a degree from an ABA-accredited law school, and that is California.  In every other state you cannot get a licence to practice law without having graduated from a law school.  

Just another way we lawyers oppress and control all of you sad, needy folks.

E. 

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 10:39:10 AM   
Emperor1956


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Status: offline 		READ THIS.  Its an offer to screw a lawyer out of some money with NO RISK TO YOU.

Ok.  I see its time again to have all you lawyer bashers step up -- or SHUT UP.  I will repeat what I've posted once before in this place, on a similar thread.   (Hey Merc, you're a rich man...and you are very verbal on this subject, why don't you take me up on this offer?)

MY ORIGINAL OFFER (which I have upped TEN-FOLD to make it more attractive):

SIGH.  The same old "lets bash the lawyers" folks and a few newbies (and a few who should know better).  Y'know...I was thinking (I'm frisky tonight) and I have a challenge for everyone of you who posted a "bash" so far, and everyone who continues. 

I invite you to sign an agreement with me (I will draft it -- you of course should get your own lawyer, I would welcome it) that assigns to me any awards, judgments or proceeds of any lawsuit you file from the day of your signature to the end of your life, and, hey...lets make it sporting...any proceeds your heirs or estate receives from any claim of your wrongful death.  In other words you will assign to me the right to collect any money you could EVER make from using the awful court system (and hiring one of us AWFUL, HEINOUS lawyers).  Of course I will compensate you for this contract -- I'll offer you present consideration of $100, cash, to assign the rights of any lawsuit you could ever file.  I will make the contract conform to the laws of the state in which you reside (offer limited to residents of the United States of America).  I will insist that you sign the contract using your real, legal name (which I will verify) and of course I will sign it the same way.  I will also require that you are not under a legal disability which would make the agreement otherwise unenforceable (like you are minor, or mentally disabled, or otherwise unable to contract).  You will obtain a lawyer's advice, or will sign a clause (a very common one, by the way) that states that you had the opportunity to do so. 

Will it stand up?  I'm not sure.  But I think it has a fairly good chance of being enforced in my favor.  But maybe not.  Maybe you will sue after you are in that car crash, or lose your job, or choke on a screw left in a bottle of Moxie, or some quack surgeon leaves a sponge in you and causes another 3 years of agony -- and you'll win some money...and KEEP it because my attempt to enforce the contract will be thrown out of court.  Or maybe not.  COME ON BIG TALKERS...I DARE YOU!

Of course you can ALWAYS win.  You can screw the Emperor big time and get this $100 RISK FREE.  I cannot force you to ever file a lawsuit of any sort, so all you have to do to make a fast $100 TODAY and screw me is to NEVER, EVER seek financial compensation for yourself for any reason in a court of law.  And of course because you all know so much about how bad the legal system is, and you NEVER would abuse that system for YOUR gain, I'm paying you $100 for NOTHING because you never, ever would sue anyone to gain a dime.  And this way, we can all see how honest, true and lofty you are.

I'll hold this offer open to anyone who reads it on CollarMe from now until August 25, 2008.  To accept the offer you must send me a note on "the other side" indicating your agreement with the terms I've outlined above, and any additional reasonable terms I include in the document.  By the way, you have to E-mail me as Emperor.  NOT "Emperor1956".

This is just an old country lawyer suggesting you put your money where your mouth is.

E.

Edited to add:  I reserve the right to limit my acceptance of this offer to not more than 5 people.  I don't expect anyone to have the balls (or be foolish enough) to accept my offer (no one did last time), but hey -- I gotta protect myself.

E.

< Message edited by Emperor1956 -- 8/12/2008 10:40:52 AM >

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 10:48:09 AM   
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I thought it was still possible to qualify for taking the bar in more than just California, without receiving a JD.  Perhaps, my assumption was wrong that apprenticeships were still possible.

I had no reason to doubt the greedy underhanded ways you lawyer types would try to keep the rest of us out of the loop.  Not the first trade to change their rules to keep others confused.   Just the first one with the wherewithal to make it law.

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 10:48:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

READ THIS.  Its an offer to screw a lawyer out of some money with NO RISK TO YOU.

Ok.  I see its time again to have all you lawyer bashers step up -- or SHUT UP.  I will repeat what I've posted once before in this place, on a similar thread.   (Hey Merc, you're a rich man...and you are very verbal on this subject, why don't you take me up on this offer?)

MY ORIGINAL OFFER (which I have upped TEN-FOLD to make it more attractive):

I invite you to sign an agreement with me (I will draft it -- you of course should get your own lawyer, I would welcome it) that assigns to me any awards, judgments or proceeds of any lawsuit you file from the day of your signature to the end of your life, and, hey...lets make it sporting...any proceeds your heirs or estate receives from any claim of your wrongful death.  In other words you will assign to me the right to collect any money you could EVER make from using the awful court system (and hiring one of us AWFUL, HEINOUS lawyers).  Of course I will compensate you for this contract -- I'll offer you present consideration of $100, cash, to assign the rights of any lawsuit you could ever file.  I will make the contract conform to the laws of the state in which you reside (offer limited to residents of the United States of America).  I will insist that you sign the contract using your real, legal name (which I will verify) and of course I will sign it the same way.  I will also require that you are not under a legal disability which would make the agreement otherwise unenforceable (like you are minor, or mentally disabled, or otherwise unable to contract).  You will obtain a lawyer's advice, or will sign a clause (a very common one, by the way) that states that you had the opportunity to do so. 

Will it stand up?  I'm not sure.  But I think it has a fairly good chance of being enforced in my favor.  But maybe not.  Maybe you will sue after you are in that car crash, or lose your job, or choke on a screw left in a bottle of Moxie, or some quack surgeon leaves a sponge in you and causes another 3 years of agony -- and you'll win some money...and KEEP it because my attempt to enforce the contract will be thrown out of court.  Or maybe not.  COME ON BIG TALKERS...I DARE YOU!

Of course you can ALWAYS win.  You can screw the Emperor big time and get this $100 RISK FREE.  I cannot force you to ever file a lawsuit of any sort, so all you have to do to make a fast $100 TODAY and screw me is to NEVER, EVER seek financial compensation for yourself for any reason in a court of law.  And of course because you all know so much about how bad the legal system is, and you NEVER would abuse that system for YOUR gain, I'm paying you $100 for NOTHING because you never, ever would sue anyone to gain a dime.  And this way, we can all see how honest, true and lofty you are.

I'll hold this offer open to anyone who reads it on CollarMe from now until August 25, 2008.  To accept the offer you must send me a note on "the other side" indicating your agreement with the terms I've outlined above, and any additional reasonable terms I include in the document.  By the way, you have to E-mail me as Emperor.  NOT "Emperor1956".

This is just an old country lawyer suggesting you put your money where your mouth is.

E.

Edited to add:  I reserve the right to limit my acceptance of this offer to not more than 5 people.  I don't expect anyone to have the balls (or be foolish enough) to accept my offer (no one did last time), but hey -- I gotta protect myself.

E.
I'll take you up on that offer Emperor on the other side. I'll give you $100 to defend each and every frivolous lawsuit me or my company receive and you are entitled to all the reimbursement you get from any court when I 'win'.

So far in my life, I've 'won' 100% of the cases I've been involved in as a defendant. They have cost me well in excess of a few million dollars. But since the opposition attorney is except from liability and the litigate either had no money or "was just an ignorant man who tried to get some money from you" (Actual judge's quote on the record in one case.) my 'victories' were hollow.

Send me the contract on those terms. 

Edited to add: I got to thinking about this and in the spirit of fairness, I'll give you $1,000 up front for EACH time me or my company is listed as a defendant on any lawsuit. The balance of the offer stands and you can keep all the 'winnings'. Hell, that's beats the hell out of the extortion payments I've been paying over the years.

You know how it is when you make those calls; "Mr. Merc, my client may not have a good case, but it will still cost you $10,000 to defend it. How about settling for $2,500 now, and save some money?"

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 11:19:33 AM   
Emperor1956


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Thadius:  California has a pretty hard bar exam already, and with the loosening of rules about multi-jurisdictional practice...
I thought it was still possible to qualify for taking the bar in more than just California, without receiving a JD.  Perhaps, my assumption was wrong that apprenticeships were still possible.


No, you simply cannot sit for the bar in the 49 states (and most territories -- I only know for sure Puerto Rico and American Samoa) without first graduating from an ABA - approved law school.  Period.  As for MJP (multi-jurisdictional practice), the recent ABA proposals allow licensed  lawyers to practice cross-boundary where they couldn't before.  But the ABA proposals are not law until enacted in a state, and all of the states are enacting varied and different versions.  Also, nothing in MJP will help a non-licensed attorney.  If you'd like, Thad, I'll send you one of my several articles on MJP  (yes, I am not only a nasty lawyer, I teach OTHERS to become nasty lawyers.  We breed.)

E

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 11:30:41 AM   
Thadius


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Status: offline 		I am always interested in getting something to read... the more you know and all that.  When did the other states do away with, reading the law?  A friend of mine (actually an attorney and politician) suggested years ago that perhaps that would be the best road for me, if I didn't want to go to an ABA accredited school.  I must have misunderstood what he meant, at the time I had been considering moving to Virginia and that is what I remember him suggesting.

Please send along any articles, as I would definitely enjoy the read.

I wish you well,
Thadius

Edited to add: http://www.abanet.org/legaled/publications/compguide2005/chart3.pdf

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 1:46:07 PM   
NeedToUseYou


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Status: offline 		That's a pretty lopsided offer Emperor1956. So, basicly you want for a 100.00 dollars to give up any benefit of sueing someone, but that person would still be fully open to be sued and liable?

In order to get your point across which is, I'm assuming, that we like to use the legal system when it suits us. You'd have to provide an equal protection against being sued.

Your offer is akin  to having to people in a sword fight and one person is saying "I don't want to be in a sword fight", and you offering them a 100.00 dollars for there sword. LOL. Hardly a fair offer, and probably only one a lawyer would look at as a rational.

I'd take you up on it, if I gave up all benefits of suing, and inversely you had to take on any liability for me being sued. That would pretty much be a valid example of eliminating the effect of lawyers. And you know what there is a good chance you'd never suffer any liability, because I don't break the laws, because they are laws, or fear of the legal system, I just don't desire or want to do most things that happen to be against the law to begin with.

Reason: Number 100000, not to like Lawyers, Emperor1956's offer, only a lawyer could think that a reasonable offer.

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 3:22:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Smith117

It can probably best be summed up as the perfect example of a love/hate relationship. For example:
The lawyer that gets us out of speeding tickets -- We love
The lawyer that gets a murderer off when everyone knows he's guilty as hell -- We hate
Our lawyer during a divorce -- We love
Our soon-to-be ex's lawyer in a divorce -- We hate
The lawyer who shows up to tell a woman burned by McDonald's coffee she's due some cash -- We hate
The lawyer who tells US that we're due some cash -- We love
The lawyer who helps us right a discriminatory "wrong" -- We love
The lawyer who dreams up a discriminatory "wrong" -- We hate

I think that about covers it. 

 Yep, that just about covered it!!  Attorneys serve a purpose (what job doesn't)?  It's unfortunate that ambulance chasers, "extortionists", etc. have given lawyers a bad name.   If you could imagine the number of man hours per case you would have a better idea of why costs are high.  As someone mentioned, law school is costly.  So is the cost of doing business.  As a paralegal, the firm I work for try to keep costs to a minimum.  As long as we need attorneys, they'll be around. By the way, we love good lawyer jokes and usually pass them around as they are funny as heck!!

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 4:06:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		FR:  I don't think the offer is unreasonable.  If you live the pure, exemplary life you profess, why would you get sued?  If of course you fly too close to the regulatory sun all the time, you might well hate lawyers, because they tend to stop unscrupulous business practices.

Merc, I don't know what your business is, but I find it pretty hard to believe you spent "a few million dollars" in legal fees defending completely frivolous cases.  That just ain't the way the legal system works.  (It does however indicate the sort of client that lawyers ADORE.  If you really spent that much dough, HIRE A SALARIED LAWYER for god's sake...for a relatively modest salary and benefits, you'd have a captive counsel.)  I could see, maybe a few thousand a year, perhaps, (I do in my business too).  Actually, my insurers do --which raises another question.  Don't you have insurance, Merc?  What line of business are you in that draws this sort of fire, requires this sort of counsel, and isn't insurable?   I cannot imagine such a business exists in this country.

Two clarifications:  1.  I don't think Merc is unscrupulous at all in his business.  I have NO IDEA what the man does.  I don't want anyone to misread the above and think I'm juxtaposing my comment about lawyers fighting corrupt business practices and my comments about Merc's post.  2.  Merc, the advice to hire an in-house lawyer is gratis.  Otherwise I'd charge you $450 for it *GRIN*.

My point however is made:  You who posted the bashing above are willing to castigate lawyers until you need one.  So you are just hypocrites.  No one said you had to be friends with your lawyer (God knows, there are very few of my clients I care to be friends with!).  but bashing them and talking about how evil we are gets you nowhere.  You are just whining.

E.



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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 4:28:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

FR:  I don't think the offer is unreasonable.  If you live the pure, exemplary life you profess, why would you get sued?  If of course you fly too close to the regulatory sun all the time, you might well hate lawyers, because they tend to stop unscrupulous business practices.

E.




The simple answer to your question is because not everybody lives a pure exemplary life.  One of the fine folks out there could decide that a reflection off of my sideview mirror in the mid-afternoon sun, is the cause of their "sudden onset of retinal damage"...  or even more likely I could be sued for some of my opinions because they damaged somebody's psyche.

Counselor, I would point you to my last post...

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 4:28:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

READ THIS.  Its an offer to screw a lawyer out of some money with NO RISK TO YOU.

Ok.  I see its time again to have all you lawyer bashers step up -- or SHUT UP.  I will repeat what I've posted once before in this place, on a similar thread.   (Hey Merc, you're a rich man...and you are very verbal on this subject, why don't you take me up on this offer?)

MY ORIGINAL OFFER (which I have upped TEN-FOLD to make it more attractive):

SIGH.  The same old "lets bash the lawyers" folks and a few newbies (and a few who should know better).  Y'know...I was thinking (I'm frisky tonight) and I have a challenge for everyone of you who posted a "bash" so far, and everyone who continues. 

I invite you to sign an agreement with me (I will draft it -- you of course should get your own lawyer, I would welcome it) that assigns to me any awards, judgments or proceeds of any lawsuit you file from the day of your signature to the end of your life, and, hey...lets make it sporting...any proceeds your heirs or estate receives from any claim of your wrongful death.  In other words you will assign to me the right to collect any money you could EVER make from using the awful court system (and hiring one of us AWFUL, HEINOUS lawyers).  Of course I will compensate you for this contract -- I'll offer you present consideration of $100, cash, to assign the rights of any lawsuit you could ever file.  I will make the contract conform to the laws of the state in which you reside (offer limited to residents of the United States of America).  I will insist that you sign the contract using your real, legal name (which I will verify) and of course I will sign it the same way.  I will also require that you are not under a legal disability which would make the agreement otherwise unenforceable (like you are minor, or mentally disabled, or otherwise unable to contract).  You will obtain a lawyer's advice, or will sign a clause (a very common one, by the way) that states that you had the opportunity to do so. 

Will it stand up?  I'm not sure.  But I think it has a fairly good chance of being enforced in my favor.  But maybe not.  Maybe you will sue after you are in that car crash, or lose your job, or choke on a screw left in a bottle of Moxie, or some quack surgeon leaves a sponge in you and causes another 3 years of agony -- and you'll win some money...and KEEP it because my attempt to enforce the contract will be thrown out of court.  Or maybe not.  COME ON BIG TALKERS...I DARE YOU!

Of course you can ALWAYS win.  You can screw the Emperor big time and get this $100 RISK FREE.  I cannot force you to ever file a lawsuit of any sort, so all you have to do to make a fast $100 TODAY and screw me is to NEVER, EVER seek financial compensation for yourself for any reason in a court of law.  And of course because you all know so much about how bad the legal system is, and you NEVER would abuse that system for YOUR gain, I'm paying you $100 for NOTHING because you never, ever would sue anyone to gain a dime.  And this way, we can all see how honest, true and lofty you are.

I'll hold this offer open to anyone who reads it on CollarMe from now until August 25, 2008.  To accept the offer you must send me a note on "the other side" indicating your agreement with the terms I've outlined above, and any additional reasonable terms I include in the document.  By the way, you have to E-mail me as Emperor.  NOT "Emperor1956".

This is just an old country lawyer suggesting you put your money where your mouth is.


Wow, such overly reactionary hostility. Calm down.

By the way, my mom would easily win your challenge. She's nearing 60 and hasn't sued anyone to my knowledge, ever. And she's had cause to before. Of course the measley $100 isn't enough of an incentive to bother, so don't worry about it.

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 4:41:56 PM   
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Merc, I don't know what your business is, but I find it pretty hard to believe you spent "a few million dollars" in legal fees defending completely frivolous cases.  That just ain't the way the legal system works.  (It does however indicate the sort of client that lawyers ADORE. 
Tried to answer direct, but you don't have a profile; at least you don't have one that pops up when I click on your name. I was going to send you these details.

Anyway - I wish I was exaggerating. It actually cost me at least a couple million over the course of 6 years. The other side went through 5 different law firms, using 6 lawyers. The cost of, accountants, experts, depositions, travel; one of the principles was in NH. It also prevented a $6 Million acquisition from occurring. I just 'won' the final judgment about 2 months ago.

One of the reasons it was so much is that everyone, including my EX attorney believed it was frivolous. It wasn't D&O or subject to any insurance assistance. It was not regulatory. It was an 'implied' contract interpretation regarding a VERY specialized financial service industry. Fortunately or 'un', it wasn't mine, and occurred under prior management. It was one of the causes of me being brought in as a 'consultant' six years ago by the entity's lender. As it turns out it benefited me greatly both personally and financially. I didn't own any of the company 6 years ago, in a few months I'll have 100%. However, the case and facts remain.

As you know, you don't go in expecting to put out that much money. Of course, everyone involved now knows there was a less expensive path; but you got a cumulative total.

The common thread? There was ALWAYS some other lawyer desperate enough to believe the client and take up the lawsuit, or start it in another form. Proving that lawyers eat their own, this occurred even after he sued one of his attorneys because he lost a few decisions along the way. Ultimately he was counter sued and lost a $450k judgment against him for costs. Of course that was brought by another law-firm who had the time and zero cost to be able to pursue that endeavor. I have neither; although I've been told I'd have a good case.

Sure this is the 'exception'; same as the McDonald litigation. However it is no less true. Even if my son or daughter became a lawyer, I wouldn't hire them. I'd disown them - but wouldn't hire them. I only have people working for me who contribute to the company, society, or me - that has never defined any lawyer I've ever met or talked to who earns his/her living by the extortion practices of in civil litigants. I use lawyers when I have to, and try to use them as little as possible. If I've made a mistake I'll pay for it. Extortion - I'll fight.

Speaking of hypocrisy, why not take up he $1000 offer to represent me in any case? I've only had 2 cases in the last 6 years, and 'won' them both. I'll sweeten the pot; if I lose I'll pay the expenses.

BTW - I castigate the extortionist attorneys as often as I get the opportunity, on-line or in person. There is a place for lawyers in drawing up contracts, and documentation review; however most progress is made when I send them out of the room and talk directly to my client, or potential partner. An attorney is only a necessary evil in the US, because we have the most disreputable legal system in the world; supported by legislators who, in the majority, are attorneys. A system that  insures, the US will always be behind the curve in new business development and innovations. The cost of most goods and services in the US is appreciably higher as a direct result of extortion litigation.

EDITED TO ADD:

Emperor - You know I still 'love 'ya'! Thanks for letting me vent. Usually this really would have cost me $450 an hour. Except at the end of this fiasco, my partners and I would just meet and curse out attoneys without them present over a nice few bottles of 2001 or 2002 Opus One.

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 4:47:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

I am always interested in getting something to read... the more you know and all that.  When did the other states do away with, reading the law?  A friend of mine (actually an attorney and politician) suggested years ago that perhaps that would be the best road for me, if I didn't want to go to an ABA accredited school.  I must have misunderstood what he meant, at the time I had been considering moving to Virginia and that is what I remember him suggesting.

Please send along any articles, as I would definitely enjoy the read.



'Read for the bar' or 'law office study' licensure to practice law was allowed in Virginia, New York, and a few other states unless something has changed recently. Some other states had provisions for those who graduated from something other than an ABA approved JD curriculum as well.

But I too wouldn't mind reading the latest about when these changes took place.

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 5:13:17 PM   
sasseeNshy


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Status: offline 		Oh I do so hate these "hate lawyer" threads.......however, a lot of good points, both pro and con were made by both Emperor and Merc.  These gentlemen both know of what they speak.  I think (correct me if I'm wrong) Emperor's offer was made from a Plaintiff point of view (aka contingency fee agreements - which DO benefit those who cannot fund litigation, but do have a legitimate claim for damages and a dayum reasonable prospect of recovering damages from a liquid Defendant), whereas Merc's dissatisfaction is from a defence point of view ~ always a Defendant, never a bride!.  Society is too litigious.  Everyone believes there is someone to blame for whatever ill befalls them, and in the whole, no one takes responsibility for their own action.  Unfortunately, there are way too many litigators out there that quite frankly institute unwarranted, ill-advised and just plain stupid litigation.  Consequently, there is some one who is put to the expense of defending themselves against this litigation.  Case in point...a gentleman (upstanding citizen no doubt) goes to a local "dance" club.  He decides for, obviously, better viewing purposes to obtain a premium seat (aka sniff row).  The dancers put on quite a performance, swinging their hips and other body appendages,tantilizing the audience with their ability to absorbe large amounts of fluids in places well, too much fluid just isn't a good thing.  Then to totally astound their captive audience, one particular dancer demonstrates her ability to expell said fluid....unfortunately splashing it all over our upstanding citizen sitting in his premium seat causing PTSD.  Cause for litigation? Well someone thought so.....

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 8:12:58 PM   
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< Message edited by candystripper -- 8/12/2008 8:21:11 PM >

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RE: Lawyer Hatred - 8/12/2008 8:18:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you mean the LSAT?      What is 'the Law School Entrance Exam '?

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