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LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 5:40:08 PM)

if one could say fantasy run amuk when addictions become problems




MadRabbit -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 5:46:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LATEXBABY64

if one could say fantasy run amuk when addictions become problems


Seriously....I'm not screwing with you this time....

What does that mean???

Are you trying to say that the boards are populated by hallucinating LSD-addicted trippers?




DomDolf -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 5:58:50 PM)

MadRabbit,

Did you get all that from what I said?






CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 6:13:54 PM)

Ok, I hope this makes sense... I know my ideas won't be popular, but here they are anyway...

The internet does open up a world that was once much smaller and more contained. However, just because the door has been opened, that does -not- mean that every room in the "house" is equally accessible.

One benefit of the internet is the capacity to let people know that they are not alone -- that others share their interests and are out in the world to be found. One method of managing the flow is to develop private structures within the larger, more open structure. Meet people through the internet or open structure, and then invite them into the smaller, more contained structures, once we get to know them better and once we find that their interests and our interests intersect.

It is up to the smaller groups to retain their own sanctity. Just because the world is larger does not necessarily mean that smaller, more private gatherings cannot exist and be satisfying.

One challenge to this, though, is an attitude that seems to be pervasive in the United States in particular -- I can't speak for its commonality through other nations/cultures. This challenge is the idea that is prevalent in the United States that everyone should know everything about everyone -- there should be no secrets, no private societies, no closed groups or hierarchically restricted information... an attitude that I see as completely unrealistic. As a "keeper of secrets" myself, having accepted the burden of carrying the esoteric knowledge of a group of individuals and releasing that information to individuals who have taken the time and effort to study and learn, I find it ... unsettling... that individuals feel that they should automatically have the right to claim the information that I worked so hard to earn the right and responsibility to hold... and that is the other unsettling part... that people want this information without the responsibilities that come along with it.

To me, the only way to both embrace the open-ness available to us from our access to the internet an the world, and still retain the private sanctuary of our own structures, practices, beliefs, and responsibilities is to embrace the skills to be both part of the world, and part of smaller gatherings that reflect our own private needs, talents, and responsibilities. I believe that, regardless of the desire of the masses to know all the deepest secrets (without the attendant responsibilities and effort), it is the responsibility of members of these smaller groups to be discrete in sharing information and to abandon our fear of censure for doing what it is that we were compelled, by our own oaths and training, to keep private.

Calla Firestorm




MadRabbit -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 6:14:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomDolf

MadRabbit,

Did you get all that from what I said?



Nah, not really. I enjoyed your posts.

I am not trying to target anyone specifically or suggest that anyone is meaning or saying what I am saying.

I was just addressing a nuance I have noticed for a long time, both offline and realtime. It was just directed to something general and broad and not you or anyone specifically.





DomDolf -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 6:24:33 PM)

MadRabbit,

Thank you for the clarification. I'm glad you enjoyed my posts.

Dolf




ProtagonistLily -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 6:27:17 PM)

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<SNIP>.

Good = The Internet has brought more people, which means more choices.
Bad = With more people comes less control of what is taught and how "the club" develops.

Say amen somebody...

I totally agree with this. I often wonder if the knitters or Euchre players have been plagued with the curious as we have...

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I would prefer "the club" was much smaller and more select. And yes, that is with a clear understanding of what the Internet brings to the table. Some of which I greatly appreciate. I will use all tools at my disposal, which includes the Internet. Used properly, the Internet is an excellent tool. Too many use it improperly, it is often a play ground for less than desirable people to say what they want, do what they want and call it what they want. Challenge their view and you must be prepared to catch holy hell from anyone that puts themselves in a category not fitting your definition and preferences. Therefore everything is acceptable

Again, I totally and completely agree.

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Although it’s not perfect the lifestyle could be improved if both sides met in the middle only bringing the good points, however I feel that is still some way off.

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feel it is more than some way off. I feel it is near impossible as long as there is a come one, come all attitude and everyone is accepted. Some will say that I sound elitist. I am selective in everything in my life. I am not an overly tolerant person. Yes we exist, those that have open minds that recognize that it does not mean that you have to accept all things.


Again, I couldn't agree more. I was talking to someone who's in my circle today about the "Creepy People" in the BDSM/Leather community. Anyone who thinks that we are all one big happy family is incorrect. There are a fair amount of undesirable people hanging around. I do not want those people to touch my person and invariably, they always want to hug you, as if we are some support group.

Support isn't what I'm around for. Fellowship, sure, but not support. And I do not hug creepy people, male or female.




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 6:36:38 PM)

The Net simply has changed many things in many people's lives.  It's a bit of a social evolution for countless people, not just those in the BDSM community.




MrRodgers -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 8:19:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

See- the problem with getting older OP, is that things change weither you like it or not. You may either go with the flow, and accept that the internet, and computers are a major part of EVERYTHING these days, or you may continue to keep your head in the sand, and become one of those crotchety old men that yells at the self checkout lines in the grocery stores.

The internet is good for bdsm, in my opinion. It brings a new mix of people into things, it allows people from across countries to meet, where they couldn't have possibly interacted before. If you want to keep things like they were in 'The old days' and not let anyone in.... well damn, all the old peeps are going to die out, and you are going to have a nice, exclusive, high protocol nursing home. Lots of fun if you're into ageplay and diapers I suppose?

I am not sure of your point here as I have to think most here are giving their perspective on the net vs before the net...or simply without it, that's all. Yes, the net has expanded the overall population and it is up to us if we use it, to make that work to some good end.

What I am saying is that here you do not meet a person...you meet a profile and email, totally anonymous, unless of course properly 'pimped-out.'

The requirement then becomes one of words and hopefully honest images on a computer screen rather that the feeling someone gives you when and if...you are ever with them.




rookey -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 9:55:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

I don't think there is a dividing line between internet and life. I just think it's yet another wall inside the head.


The Internet is an extension of real life.  Like the television and the telephone before, it provides greater awareness of what is going on in the the world and makes it easier to contact people.




girlfromthesouth -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 10:34:11 PM)

I have to wonder if people starting missing "the good old days" when publication of BDSM magazines (and the lonely hearts ads within) became legal.

In my opinion though, it's pretty pathetic when people judge character by their "member since" date. You must also keep in mind the people who are extremely closted in their kink, are homebodies who don't like going to parties and gatherings, or simply do not like their local community. These are the people who websites like this were made for.

I also have to wonder though, if you're so against it then why are you here? Go to your fancy masked ball and leave us alone :D




leadership527 -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/19/2008 10:41:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomDolf
I'm not sure if I was included in your comment about hot young submissives, but to clarify, getting some "hot young" submissive is worthless to me. She would need to be intelligent, a lady, have a great attitude about life, desire complete control, be in control and have made great choices in her life. She must be old enough to have experienced certain things, many things that I feel are important in the psychological and social development of her personality. I have had two submissives younger than me, younger by no more than three years, the rest have been older.
You were not included in that comment.  I don't know anything about you.  My comments were pertinent to the local scene around me (northern california) -- both directly observed and by what indirect information I've gotten. 

*laughs*  I shouldn't be posting at all drugged on codeine as I am so I'll jus tleave the important part... no Dolf, not you.




youngstownsubm -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/20/2008 2:21:22 AM)

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In this modern era we live in where most communication seems to be done via electronic means are we missing the good old traditions of BDSM and what was a select community of people who lived the lifestyle and only initiated the select few into their ranks?


Dominance and submission have existed since long before the old leather community was even an idea. In fact there are examples of BDSM practice as far back as ancient Rome (see the festival of Lupercalia).

BDSM is a concept, not a club. It therefore has no traditions, and no one need be "initiated" into it--nor have they ever needed to be. You need not look very far back to see that the "old guard" didn't invent BDSM--just look at all the BDSM literature written in the 19th century.
The pretension with which people talk about all these old "traditions" honestly baffles me. It's almost accepted without challenge in modern society that BDSM was once this secret club that only a select few could join. No one makes comparable claims about any other fetish.

I'm willing to bet that while you were at your masked ball, couples around the world were engaging in BDSM activities without even having heard of your community.




SailingBum -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/20/2008 2:41:09 AM)

I have been knocking around this realm for a long ass time.  I don't see any difference between the two.  Other than the way ppl talk to each other.
Back in the day it was smoke signals progressed to the phone.  Now it's email and texting.  Some ppl were liars and cheats back them just like they are today.  The point I am doing a poor job of making is.  Human nature has not changed since that slut Ev tempeted Adam.  Smirkle

BadOne




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/20/2008 5:08:54 AM)

um a mind set    i guess there really is more to life then sitting here debating ethical stands of online and off line cause  you never will figure  it out  how ever do not be sucked in by the bs in the ds  there more things that are im portant  like making lots and lots of money and buying toys lots of toys  never can have en ough




DomDolf -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/20/2008 7:57:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomDolf
I'm not sure if I was included in your comment about hot young submissives, but to clarify, getting some "hot young" submissive is worthless to me. She would need to be intelligent, a lady, have a great attitude about life, desire complete control, be in control and have made great choices in her life. She must be old enough to have experienced certain things, many things that I feel are important in the psychological and social development of her personality. I have had two submissives younger than me, younger by no more than three years, the rest have been older.
You were not included in that comment.  I don't know anything about you.  My comments were pertinent to the local scene around me (northern california) -- both directly observed and by what indirect information I've gotten. 

*laughs*  I shouldn't be posting at all drugged on codeine as I am so I'll jus tleave the important part... no Dolf, not you.


Leadership,

Thank you for the clarification. It's hard to tell sometimes, as you know.

Those codeine induced messages can be fun to read later I bet!!! LOL

Dolf




incantatrice -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/21/2008 12:57:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NeedingMore220

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I was introduced into the lifestyle by a great group of people in the mid 80's, they were not a local community, people used to travel from as far as southern Europe to come to events.


You're 30, as per your profile.  If introduced in, say, 1986, you were 8 years old.  I'm just sayin' ....

Anyway ... to address the rest of your rant - your contention that the 'good old days' had no pretenders, no rudeness, no liars, fakes or wannbees and only had manners and respect is hard to believe because, human nature being what it is, no group is perfect. 

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For the people out there who know they are different, but do not yet know why, I welcome the internet but only if they listen to the right people as there is a wealth of information to be gleaned out here. For those who are just rude and talk about the lifestyle which they had no knowledge, like it’s their preferred choice on 'mastermind' I say wind your neck in!


And how is a newbie to know who the 'right people' are?  Who judges right and wrong?  If I haven't attended a ball in Europe, am I somehow not acceptable to you as a submissive/slave? 



Try reading the profile properly and you will see it is about a couple! I am the Master (male half of that couple and was intorduced in the mid 80's like I said.
Trying reading the orginal post fully beofre you go around calling people liars.

I do not proclaim to be the god of the BDSM community and am aware we all learn something new all the time but believe me when I say i have the 'T' shirt!

When I met my slave 'incantatrice' she had learnt and lived an online life with only a handful of real life meetings, just becuase people stay online doesnt make them any less of a slave.
Master Gio




incantatrice -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/21/2008 12:59:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

WOW OP.. you are really something... your profile list names of people you and Master Gio believe to be fakes/whatever.  Is that part of old school?  Is that leather?  Is that nice/smart/going along with the rules of this site?  You want to go by rules, you might check out the rules of CollarMe and start there.


We list names for the protection of others so they dont fall foul where we did, if protecting the real people on this site means we keep getting suspended then so be it. There is a small thing called freedom of speech which is also in the terms and conditions.




incantatrice -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/21/2008 1:01:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: peppermint

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You're 30, as per your profile.  If introduced in, say, 1986, you were 8 years old.  I'm just sayin' ....


I thought the picture looked a bit young, but didn't look at the profile.  Now i feel like i've been used and abused.  Plus i always distrust those profiles from people who are "experts" at everything.  Thank you for pointing out the error of my laziness. 


Please try reading the profile first before you pass judgement, dont fall where others are too lazy.




incantatrice -> RE: Real life vs internet. (8/21/2008 1:03:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Ummm... I assumed since the post said one came from it from before the net, and the slave since the net, that they are two people, perhaps using the slaves pic?

edited to add.. oic.
He was born in 1971, making him 37 now. 
<g> pretty young for an old lifestyler.
But what ever floats his boat.
Kyst



Thank you for taking the time to read the article properly. I was introduced at an age below legal consent so I do not make the age I was introduced public knowledge.

Master Gio




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