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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/23/2005 8:20:29 PM

nenakajira

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySonelle

If a Dom/me were to offer you a 23/7 lifetime slave position, what would you do to earn it?

I currently have two slave-trainees who are bying for that position and I have told them that they are to hold down a paying job for 1 year (both have achieved this) save up enough money to move themselves into My neighbourhood (both have said they are working on this) and finally that during the period of consideration they are to take lessons in massage, manicure, pedicure, chauffeur and waitservice training AND that from now on, they will get up at 5:00 AM each morning and go for a 20 minute walk.

This was met with screams of how unfair it was! One slave has threatened to drop out of the running. When asked why, I told them that they would have to (as My 24/7 slave, rise at that hour to take My dog outside for his morning walk! This was geeted with cries of protest. The silliest answers include "But I'm a *slave* not a dog-walker!" (honey, a slave is whatever the Master or mistress SAYS s/he is!) and "But five in the mORBING? I don't want to play THEN!" (1. we aren't play8ng and 2. what part of 24 don't you get? What part of 7?) I finally got tired of arguing and put the information on my site.

So, slaves and subs if your Dominant wants you to get up at 5, is this a deal breaker?

What would YOU do for 24/7 enslavement?

Lady Sonelle
Still waiting for The One!

When I first moved in with my owner I had to get up with his alarm clock to fetch his coffee and make sure he had lunch. The alarm goes off at 4:30am. *twitches* I was grumpy.. but I did it. When my work schedule changed so that I worked a late shift he changed the rule so I could get some sleep and be semi-concious for my job. If he changed the rule again I'd be up again.. it's all up to him.

The one thing that struck me about your post is his comment that he's not up to playing at that hour. I think that you found someone who wanted the play and not the slavery. The scenes but not all the other work. Some are like that... and some aren't. It is, however, a good thing that you found that out BEFORE he moved in. *smiles*

-nena{R}

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 12:20:19 AM

Slaveboiz

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i cant tell you how badly i want to post the class W/we give on the "Prime Directives" but of course i wont lol It outlines what is expected of the slave as to his or her responsibilities concerning health welfare communication, life skills, work and social interactions..... i have found in alot of folks seeking service they think that some how means because they want to be owned that some how that means they give up the ability to live in the world as a fully functioning person... what somehow they are not responsible human beings that have to contibute to the household or the relationship.

If a slave bocks at the idea of waking early and doing some physical activity that will keep them fit for service then i have to wonder about one true desire to serve...

tiz a very important point You bring up Ms Sonelle... thank You

slave ziggy
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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 2:52:26 PM

addcted2it

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySonelle

If a Dom/me were to offer you a 23/7 lifetime slave position, what would you do to earn it?

I currently have two slave-trainees who are bying for that position and I have told them that they are to hold down a paying job for 1 year (both have achieved this) save up enough money to move themselves into My neighbourhood (both have said they are working on this) and finally that during the period of consideration they are to take lessons in massage, manicure, pedicure, chauffeur and waitservice training AND that from now on, they will get up at 5:00 AM each morning and go for a 20 minute walk.

This was met with screams of how unfair it was! One slave has threatened to drop out of the running. When asked why, I told them that they would have to (as My 24/7 slave, rise at that hour to take My dog outside for his morning walk! This was geeted with cries of protest. The silliest answers include "But I'm a *slave* not a dog-walker!" (honey, a slave is whatever the Master or mistress SAYS s/he is!) and "But five in the mORBING? I don't want to play THEN!" (1. we aren't play8ng and 2. what part of 24 don't you get? What part of 7?) I finally got tired of arguing and put the information on my site.

So, slaves and subs if your Dominant wants you to get up at 5, is this a deal breaker?

What would YOU do for 24/7 enslavement?

Lady Sonelle
Still waiting for The One!

Dear Lady Sonelle,

I would say that these two are not worth the effort. Anyone who professes to be "slave material" would not voice his or her objections in this manner. This behavior is not indicative of anyone who wants and needs the 24/7 lifestyle relationship. They are better off seeking out the services of a professional dominatrix whenever the mood strikes them, because they do not have a clue about being a devoted slave.

And as for me, I would do practically anything for a live-in situation.

I think your sig line ("Still waiting for the one.") says it all.

- Philip

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 5:14:52 PM

pollux

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I'm surprised the word "limits" hasn't come up during this discussion.

I'm also a bit surprised that the the general consensus (esp. by the Domme) is that these guys aren't suitable. If they're fit in all other ways except for this 5AM business, why not work out a compromise? If not 5, how about 6? How about 5AM on alternate days, or only on weekdays? It sounds like early mornings 7 days a week are a limit for them. What makes walking a dog at 5AM any less reasonable a limit than anything else a potential slave has problems with?

I'm neither a Dom/me nor a slave, but it seems with all the difficulty Dommes seem to have in finding suitable partners, if these guys are great in all the other ways you need them to be (jobs, moving, etc.), why ditch two perfectly good guys over this? It seems petty to me.

But what do I know... if anybody offered me 24/7 enslavement I'd politely decline

sub4hire: Amen, sister.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 5:27:59 PM

pollux

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

I question the ability of a man to be a 24/7 "houseslave" on top of being a submissive. There's just not enough "sexy stimulation" in the grunt work that goes with 24/7 service -- seriously.

If a man also has to be a 24/7 slave/domestic and:

1. Not be the primary, intimate, sexual partner of the femdom
2. Also work full time

I think it would be impossible. Can a man work full time and then devote a large chunk of his free time and energy to service that does not focus on his cock, his sexual needs or something nasty and fun?

I agree with this, but I think there's a deeper problem than there not being enough "sexy stimulation". That's going to be a part of it, in greater or lesser degrees, but the larger problem is that men also need a project, a purpose, some kind of worthy or pleasurable pursuit, and it has to be something *other* than the relationship/service. Some men find this in their career, some in their hobbies or sports, some in art...

I don't think male kinksters are any different. They may be able to "shelve" that need for a while, but eventually it will come back. I think if Dommes want their relationships with their male partners to work -- long-term -- they need to allow room in the man's life for that kind of thing. Otherwise, he'll dry up and die in the relationship, or he will leave.

Std. disclaimer: I am not a slave, and I think I'm more of a bottom than a submissive, and I have absolutely ZERO "lifestyle" experience, but I think what I'm saying is true for all emotionally healthy and productive men.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 7:52:57 PM

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quote:

How about 5AM on alternate days, or only on weekdays? It sounds like early mornings 7 days a week are a limit for them. What makes walking a dog at 5AM any less reasonable a limit than anything else a potential slave has problems with?

In my household because of the animals medical needs their very lives could be in danger by not keeping them on a firmly regulated schedule. Unfortunatly this means that holidays, weekends, sick days and work days it has to stay the same. Breakfast and dinner must be at the same time every day. Yes, this does put a crimp on plans, but personally I think that the structure and service have been a good thing. It helps my novice sub to get out of the me me me focus and realize that things I designate that he doesn't necessarily want to do are good for him even if he doesn't immediatly realize the why at the time.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 8:05:20 PM

girl4you2

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i've gotten up for years at 5am with either a child needing to be fed, changed, or driven to school. i am not a morning person, but i am a 24/7 mom. no choices are given when you become a parent, you just do what you need to do.

i suppose one might make some sort of an analogy there. i'll leave it to that someone.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 8:59:26 PM

pollux

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Rose, there are lots of good reasons why people need to be up at 5AM routinely, and I don't think it's too controversial to say that discipline and structure are good for slaves, etc.

That's not where I'm coming from.

Let me put it another way, if Lady Sonnelle had written...

quote:

I currently have two slave-trainees who are bying for that position and I have told them that they are to hold down a paying job for 1 year (both have achieved this) save up enough money to move themselves into My neighbourhood (both have said they are working on this) and finally that during the period of consideration they are to take lessons in massage, manicure, pedicure, chauffeur and waitservice training AND that from now on, they will let me piss in their mouth once a day.

This was met with screams of how unfair it was!

...I'm pretty confident we would've been talking about limits by now.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 9:48:56 PM

Simian

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quote:

I question the ability of a man to be a 24/7 "houseslave" on top of being a submissive. There's just not enough "sexy stimulation" in the grunt work that goes with 24/7 service -- seriously.

I believe The lady asked all submissive and slaves to answer reguardless of gender.

< Message edited by Simian -- 11/24/2005 9:52:40 PM >

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/24/2005 10:30:14 PM

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i'll readily admit that my perceptions on the issues of "slavery" & 24/7 tend to border on the extremes. However in this particular case i am admittedly at a loss for how this very reasonable and simple order constitutes any hardship least of all a "Deal Breaker." There are so many tasks, sacrifices, and whims that You would be well within Your right of ownership to demand that would be exceedingly more difficult to handle.

Recognizing that my particular credo is such that "submission just begins with the first steps beyond limits end" is not in keeping with the median line of thought and practice, and perhaps even pushes the envelope of standard deviation well past even what standard deviants consider the norm, or statistical mean. When one is only willing to submit when it is convent or pleasurable to themselves, i am left wondering exactly where the "submission" aspect of the relationship derives from.

The opinions of said slave do not represent the management of this or any other medium, Your mileage may vary. For best results, fold, spindle and mutilate package before opening. 8-)~

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/25/2005 5:03:03 AM

plantlady64

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quote:

So, slaves and subs if your Dominant wants you to get up at 5, is this a deal breaker?

Hello There,
The opposite was true for my Master and I.
I think to wake up and do something special for my Master starts my day with him at the center of my attention. This helps me stay focused on the fact I'm here as his servant.

When we met online we agreed to meet at a lake at 5:30AM every day and walk four miles together. We walked every morning for three months. Other than our walks I got to see him one to two evenings a week in public places for a few hours.
We did not scene & I was not permitted to touch him from his knees to waist during this consideration time.
Our early bird walks were the avenue of our beginning I relished and held dear to me.
Now that we don't have enough free time to take these walks in the morning (his job changed) I miss that special time horribly. I now get up at 5-5:30 to give him head every day before he goes to work instead of our walk.
I would wake at any hour to perform any taks for my Master he required of me. I am his to use when ever he sees fit to need me.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/25/2005 9:23:34 AM

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i find 24/7 to be the ultimate entanglement; i would expect to be collared first. If the Man was far away, i would find cheap housing nearby and take my time getting to know Him before entering into a 24/7 -- meaning accepting His collar and moving in with Him.

Because of my circumstances, i would want money and help moving to His locale, and a promise of money and help to return if it does not work out. i'd want some security for that promise. Apart from moving expenses, though, i'd want to be self-sufficient economically in the new locale, so that if the relationship ended i was not in dire straits. i cannot imagine moving into a Man's home directly unless He happened to be local.

But as i hope to find my One, there would be a strong desire to please Him...relieve Him of unnecessary burdens as to caring for elderly parents or teenagers...i'd like a maid one or twice a month to do the heavy cleaning but i'd certainly keep house, pay bills, or whatever He needed. Yes, i'd rise at 5 am and walk the dog; it would just mean i'd need to be sleeping at 10 pm as i have a serious need for adequate sleep. The maid is a "want" not a "need"; but if He could afford it, i would negotiate for it. i hate housework and preparing meals and suck as a chef.

The whole idea is to please Him to the point where when He enters His home the world falls away and He feels a deep sense of peace. If this means manicures and pedicures (one of my fantasises) or bathing Him; etc., i want to discover what pleases or relaxes Him and incorporate it into our daily routine. This yearning is almost as strong -- perhaps the same strength -- as my desire for SEX and PLAY.

In short, i want to bring my One peace and joy.

candystripper

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/26/2005 9:49:53 AM

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5 am!? omg i´d be grumpy as hell but I guess I would do it for Mistress, at least if I could still get my needed hours of sleep (going to bed earlier, getting some snooze time after doing this 5 am thing...)

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/26/2005 11:37:34 AM

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Well, at 5am I couldn't guarantee my civility. But I could do it.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/29/2005 5:34:57 PM

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i would get up anytime Master told me to get up and do whatever e asked of me ..period, that's just me.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 11/30/2005 11:25:25 PM

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I would get up if I absolutely had to. Probability would be that I was still up from the night before, though. Then again, I have no desire to be in a 24/7 BDSM relationship at this point in my life. Playtime is enough for me right now. If you are in it 24/7 though, I don't think that the 5 AM request is all that unreasonable. After all, you're the domme. Don't sell yourself short on this one. It's not like you're asking them to chop off their right arm. Plus they get exercise and fresh air out of the deal.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 12/1/2005 6:08:48 AM

LuckyAlbatross

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pollux
I'm also a bit surprised that the the general consensus (esp. by the Domme) is that these guys aren't suitable. If they're fit in all other ways except for this 5AM business, why not work out a compromise? If not 5, how about 6? How about 5AM on alternate days, or only on weekdays? It sounds like early mornings 7 days a week are a limit for them. What makes walking a dog at 5AM any less reasonable a limit than anything else a potential slave has problems with?

I would say because, unless other information is given (such as work/life schedule, some medical issue, etc) dictating a specific awakening time seems a fairly unreasonable thing to want to keep direct authority over when you want to be in a 24/7 authority dynamic relationship.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 12/1/2005 8:06:27 AM

LadyMorgynn

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From another Domme's point of view:

I don't see anything wrong with this. The initial maneuvering and checking each other out is an important part of building a foundation. The slave can see what may (or may not) be expected, and you can see if the slave is willing. Furthermore, it gives you a really good handle on if the slave is really a slave or just fantasizes about it. A weeding-out process so to speak. Because if the slave balks at this, s/he may not really have a good grip on what 24/7 servitude would mean, and clearly needs to think it out further. Or at least, it just may be that your ideas aren't compatible, which may also be true.

While I wouldn't ask my slave to buy into my neighborhood, I *would* expect him to hold a job and contribute half of the household budget. Health insurance, too, is important for my slave to have. I'll take full responsibility for getting him to doctor or hospital (Gods forbid) or dentist, et al., if My slave becomes ill or injured, and getting him all the care that is needed, but he has to have insurance.

Five a.m. to walk the dog... I'm sure glad I'm not a slave <laugh> I sometimes have sleepless nights and get up in the night, often to work (Hey, if I can't sleep, at least be productive, right?). Fortunately I work at home :) I may wake My slave up to keep me company at such times, or even just for the pleasure of having him sit at My feet in silence while I work, for no other reason than that I *can*

But not if he has to work in the morning, etc. As the Mistress, My slave's well-being at all times is My responsibility. If he could not perform well at work because I kept him up half the night on a whim, that would be ultimately My responsibility... My bad.

I'm really enjoying all the submissives' responses here, this is My first time looking for a 24/7, and this thread is giving me a lot to mull over. The more knowledgeable I am, the better Mistress I will be when I do find a slave.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySonelle

If a Dom/me were to offer you a 23/7 lifetime slave position, what would you do to earn it?

I currently have two slave-trainees who are bying for that position and I have told them that they are to hold down a paying job for 1 year (both have achieved this) save up enough money to move themselves into My neighbourhood (both have said they are working on this) and finally that during the period of consideration they are to take lessons in massage, manicure, pedicure, chauffeur and waitservice training AND that from now on, they will get up at 5:00 AM each morning and go for a 20 minute walk.

ROFLMAO!

quote:

"But five in the mORBING? I don't want to play THEN!" (1. we aren't play8ng and 2. what part of 24 don't you get? What part of 7?) I finally got tired of arguing and put the information on my site.

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 12/1/2005 8:36:25 AM

LilWhiteWolf

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well i am not a slave but i have been in a 24/7 relationship. if that is what you want your slaves to do, then i think that is between you and them. as for me, i often did things i really didn't want to but did do it to please my Master but the fact is that we all have to work, have families and to be realistic about it, i know if someone asked of me all that you asked of your slaves, well i would turn around and walk away but then again, as i said, i am a submissive. sometimes it seems like you can pay someone to do what you are asking a slave to do. but oh well as i said i am not a slave

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RE: To Be 24/7 What Would You Do? - 12/1/2005 8:52:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadySonelle
So, slaves and subs if your Dominant wants you to get up at 5, is this a deal breaker?

I have had jobs that either required me to work from 11pm to 7:30 am or from 5 am to 2 pm, I guess I regard 5 am as just a number on the clock. Being at work at 5 am simply requires that I adjust when I go to bed.

I suppose the two subs who objected to the prospect of being up and about at 5am have never been exposed to it, and it shook them out of their comfort zone (which isn't a bad thing, from time to time).

I think dog-walking at 5 am is a very reasonable expectation. They should be grateful it isn't 3am! Heck, monks traditionally roused themselves from bed in the dead of night so that they could sing prayers in the choir, then return to bed. I think dog-walking isn't so bad in comparison!

I do find it interesting that they objected to the dog-walking, rather than to your requirement that they take lessons in massage, manicure, pedicure, chauffeur and waitservice training. Those lessons would involve an outlay of money and would requrire a fair amount of humility. But maybe the two of them never looked past the dogs.

LadySonelle, perhaps if you hold firm and encourage them to go to bed earlier they will do so. And maybe they will get over their shock and come around to your perspective. But if not, then perhaps they lack the flexibility of mind that being submissive requires.

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