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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 1:47:34 PM   
Littlepita


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ORIGINAL: slavejali


We had a lady come into our clinic who was very over-weight, she came for a massage, during the course of the massage she mentioned how she had been to see a podiatrist about her feet, that were really messed up, thick skin build up, splits in her heels, over-grown toenails, she said the podiatrist had told her how disgusting that was that she had let herself get into such a condition and generally made her feel very embarressed, she would never go back there again and meekly asked if anyone here did pedicures. Since then she comes every two weeks to have her feet done, her confidence is being built up and she walks out with a smile on her face feeling accepted and not judged. My point about this story is, the lady does give a shit, she does care and she is very self-conscious, for whatever reason she was in the state she was in, who cares...but judging her and being over-critical is not what is going to help her. You just have to accept, life happens to people, anyone always tries to do the best they can at any given time, even if it is not up to our own standards of living.


I just love reading your posts. This made me cry. I was like that lady too and let myself go, because I was so unhappy and didn't feel I worth anything. Then I met my Sir and in the last 7 months I have lost 45 lbs already, quit a 23 year smoking habit and feel great. I have a ways to go until I hit my goal, but having his love, acceptance and support has meant everything to me. Sometimes we do need someone to really look at us and tell us we are worth more then we think we are.


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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 1:58:18 PM   
slavejali


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Status: offline 		congrats lilttlepita, your post made me smile~ im watching the development of your relationship with interest, cant wait to hear how your meet goes~ wishing you all the best.

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 2:08:03 PM   
Phoenxx


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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 2:42:56 PM   
daddysprop247


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Status: offline 		i very much agree with the OP's statements...there's nothing wrong with doing whatever you can (at whatever age and in whatever physical condition you are) to stay fit and healthy. and i do think that this can be a lifestyle issue, since for some reason or another this lifestyle seems to be much more accepting of highly overweight, unfit, out-of-shape people...Doms and subs alike. in this household, i am expected to maintain a certain body size and fitness level, set by my Master, and yes it is adjusted slightly as i grow older. He is almost 20 yrs my senior, but he considers physical fitness a top priority in his life, and he is in pretty glorious shape i must say. ;) and he manages to keep in great shape despite having arthritis and various old sports injuries in his hands, back, and knees. it can be done. by his demand, when we engage in physical activities with others, it is only with those who also care about fitness...this makes finding the right people somewhat more challenging, but he believes that it says a lot about a person when they simply choose to let themselves go...and he'd rather not associate with those who have such a mentality.

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 3:05:09 PM   
LittleMissSub


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ORIGINAL: KurtGranz

Seriously, I'm really curious why it seems that alot of people let themselves go physically. A Dom should be respectable, and a sub should have something to really offer her Dom. That's just how it is. I might not be in the best shape out of anyone in the world, but I work out EVERY day at least a little. No one has to be that extreme, but they shouldn't just not give a shit.


someone a few days ago posted and asked about green flags about "realness" or maybe i'm combining 2 threads...anyways....the OP said "and a sub should have something to really offer her Dom."

what i infer from that statement (besides the obvious the sub should be skinny) is that without being skinny the sub has nothing to offer her Dom. Which is complete BS. This to me, is a red flag of "realness". When i saw that....I disregarded pretty much everything he had to say, not because of the weight thing...or his age...but becauseif he thinks all a sub has to offer is her body size...he's got a lot more thinking to do about what it takes to be a Dom himself.

edit: to fix a typo

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 3:18:16 PM   
Littlepita


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ORIGINAL: slavejali

congrats lilttlepita, your post made me smile~ im watching the development of your relationship with interest, cant wait to hear how your meet goes~ wishing you all the best.



Thank you! My Sir and I talk constantly about how much we can't wait to get out of cyber and into real life. It's a great medium for getting to know someone, but it gets old really fast. Especially when you ache for his touch as much as I do. I will keep you all posted I'm sure. Not like I could shut up about him if I tried.

Thanks to you too Phoenxx


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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 6:53:57 PM   
jamesthehumanrug


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Status: offline 		kurt granz
greetings happy thanks giving
OF COURSE I CAN STARVE AND NOT UNLIKE THE FAMOUS CARUSO BE READY TO SHOW UP FOR A TOP IF THE SHOW IS WORHT IT.
staying, in shape, to me GENERALLY means sex
wanna a show sub; deliver; no sex for me is no exercise ;spoiled, maybe, out of the service; cant fit the uniform ;whos fault?
donno,
but ,if i knew you were comming; i'd bake a cake applies
things can hurt you ,so bad ;you dont give a shit ,then you get santas' helpers pretending to be doms, to bring you back to life, and, its ,too late,
if a sub had discipline, without a top; i'd be surprized.,
a top ,in shape never surprizes me
i dont know what else ,to say, but ,she means well ,OR she don't know any better, and, patronizing dumpy subs is technically illegal ,and ,violates their bill ,of rights, to be treated equally, even, if icecream got the best ,of them -WHERE WERE YOU ?

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 7:16:22 PM   
happypervert


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Quite an interesting history you've got posting here. Tell me. Is there ANYTHING you like?

Looks to me he either likes trolling on well worn topics or he doesn't like using the "search" feature at the top of the page.

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 7:49:14 PM   
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Seriously, I'm really curious why it seems that alot of people let themselves go physically.


Looks like you've made a few people mad! I think if you really want to make a point, you need to rephrase it and be a little more sensitive, because it sounds more like an attack.

I will tell you that from my vantage point, as someone who spends an inordinate amount of time in the gym { 6-7 days a week}, that the body is most definitely the temple to the soul. And yes, it should be taken care of.

However, I think there's a lot of people out there that have other priorities that are higher on the list. If you have a house full of kids and you have to go to their games and drive them to practices, etc., it takes a ton of time, which doesn't leave you much time for yourself.



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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 8:00:56 PM   
LadiesBladewing


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ORIGINAL: KurtGranz

Seriously, I'm really curious why it seems that alot of people let themselves go physically. A Dom should be respectable, and a sub should have something to really offer her Dom. That's just how it is. I might not be in the best shape out of anyone in the world, but I work out EVERY day at least a little. No one has to be that extreme, but they shouldn't just not give a shit.


It is possible to "give a sh*t" and still appear to others to not care. We are exceptionally diligent about our diets here. The preparation of meals is something I, personally, cherish, and when I prepare food, I try to make sure that it is tasty and nutritious, that the ingredients are as close to their natural state as possible and uncorrupted, as much as is humanly possible, by chemicals, drugs -- antibiotics, hormones, etc. --, and overprocessing. We keep our portions reasonable, and we spend time stretching and moving every day.

Now, here's the rub... I have multiple sclerosis. I used to work out often and, according to my beloved mate, to extremes. (I'm not saying she was wrong -- but it seemed like the right amount to me). When I started showing persistent symptoms from the MS, it affected my ability to even do little things like walk (I use a cane, and am slow on top of it as I deal with balance and limb-function issues). I am also a cancer survivor, having survived treatment for a hereditary form of bone cancer (and kept my leg in the process!) I am no longer trim and fit. It has nothing to do with not caring -- it has to do with incapacity. For the most part, I try to carry myself and comport myself with dignity, whether or not my body chooses to cooperate, and despite being in moderate to severe pain every single day of my life. I do everything that I can to maintain what capacity I still have, and yet am accepting of my own boundaries and know which ones I may push and which ones may cause damage that might impact my capacity to attend to the demands of my Order and my household if I push them. If my dominance is to be judged by the state of my body, though, I am suspecting that you would consider me one of those, without knowing me and only seeing me from a distance, who "doesn't give a sh*t".

Perhaps it might be worthwhile to get to know someone, rather than basing a judgement on appearances at all. Usually, relatively early in a conversation, I can figure out whether an individual is on the level or is dabbling in a pond that is deeper and colder than he or she can even imagine.

Lady Zephyr

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 8:03:17 PM   
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Something tells me your cookie flour was lined with cocaine.
Thanks for the laugh.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! M

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 8:25:47 PM   
KCMOLucky


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Seriously, I'm really curious why it seems that alot of people let themselves go physically. A Dom should be respectable, and a sub should have something to really offer her Dom. That's just how it is. I might not be in the best shape out of anyone in the world, but I work out EVERY day at least a little. No one has to be that extreme, but they shouldn't just not give a shit.


hehe, I'm fat. *sarcastic smile* I hope you don't mind. But then again, it doesn't really matter what you mind.

See, at MY young age, I've learnt that it's possible to have all your priorities, be healthy (aside from the Thunder Thighs and Wide-Load Ass), and be content and happy with my life.

Right now I weight a little over 270 lbs. Do I work out every day? Obviously not. But I loved to rock climb, and I'd rather take a mile long walk thru the woods to snap a picture or swim in a pool than sit in a smelly gym any day. Do I eat healthy? Sometimes. I drink around 100 ozs of water a day, eat my veggies, and consume all the red meat I want. Am I happy? You bet your skinny ass I am. I was depressed when I was a size 10, and now, at a size 26/28, I live my life how I want, on my terms, and screw you if you think I care about your expectations.

When you learn that your body size has absolutely no bearing on a persons self worth, or on their value to another, you, "Sir" will have a lot more to offer any submissive, fat or thin. Untill then, you've got as much to offer as a harlot: a little sex, maybe some companionship, but you wouldn't form a relationship with someone like her. If this had been a post on your desire to keep yourself happy and healthy, it might have gone over much better. However, the purpose of your post was to rag on people who didn't meet your standards, and resulted in nothing more than making yourself look shallow, immature, and inexperienced. Nice job.

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 8:41:07 PM   
BlkTallFullfig


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Seriously, I'm really curious why it seems that alot of people let themselves go physically. A Dom should be respectable, and a sub should have something to really offer her Dom. That's just how it is. I might not be in the best shape out of anyone in the world, but I work out EVERY day at least a little. No one has to be that extreme, but they shouldn't just not give a shit.
These words from the same person who doesn't like to be judged and dismissed for what he is...
You said
quote:

I'm looking to learn all that I can, but wonder why everyone is so pre-occupied with their own superiority. I grow because I am perceptive, and I'm on Collarme to find someone to nurture.

Everyone is constantly growing and changing, and to pretend that you no longer need to do that.. IS ignorant
It's okay when you do it to other folks, but don't enjoy it at all when it's done to you??? Maybe in your next twenty years you'll grow enough sense and sensitivity to accept that which you cannot change (the need to try and control/approve of everyone's looks or sizes), and the sensitivity/sensibility to sometimes shut up when you don't have anything kind to say about your fellow human beings.
Welcome to the boards. M

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 9:48:24 PM   
Chaingang


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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247
...when we engage in physical activities with others, it is only with those who also care about fitness...this makes finding the right people somewhat more challenging, but he believes that it says a lot about a person when they simply choose to let themselves go...and he'd rather not associate with those who have such a mentality.


What's your master's IQ? What's yours?

Do you find those questions at least mildly annoying? If so, why?

What if I suggested that body condition is less important than what's going on in people's brains? Has anyone every suggested to you that the biggest sex organ in the human body is the brain itself? What is "sexy"? Only thinking it sexy makes it so, there is no objective criteria.

I don't personally enjoy the company if unintelligent people. I have a certain lower intelligence threshold in other people beyond which I find conversation or friendship difficult. That's cool. Everyone has stuff that floats their boat. What I don't do is show up on a public forum somewhere and say...

"Seriously, I'm really curious why it seems that a lot of people let themselves go mentally. A Dom should be intelligent, and a sub should have something to really offer her Dom in terms of intellectual stimulation. That's just how it is. I might not be the smartest person in the world, but I improve upon my mental acuity EVERY day at least a little. No one has to be that extreme, but they shouldn't just not give a shit."


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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 11:00:24 PM   
Phoenxx


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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

"Seriously, I'm really curious why it seems that a lot of people let themselves go mentally. A Dom should be intelligent, and a sub should have something to really offer her Dom in terms of intellectual stimulation. That's just how it is. I might not be the smartest person in the world, but I improve upon my mental acuity EVERY day at least a little. No one has to be that extreme, but they shouldn't just not give a shit."



Wait a second... You mean you were joking just to make a point???? Damn and here I was thinking I had finally meet someone else who thought the same way I do....
Seriously though, Marilyn Monroe said that Albert Einstein was the sexist man in the world, because of his intellect.
Has anyone heard of the term Rubenesque? It was the standard of beauty. If you don’t know what it means, maybe you should leave the gym alone for a bit and do some reading.
Heck, picking up some of those big old books will improve your mind and you body.
Or we could set in motion a Class A lawsuit against McDonald’s because they are leading us to over eat by using tempting images. Hey, some people are taking legal action against gun manufactures because someone else was shot. All people overweight could ask for $100000 for each pound we are overweight!
Any takers?
Tony

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/24/2005 11:25:47 PM   
Misstoyou


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ORIGINAL: KurtGranz

That's just how it is. I might not be in the best shape out of anyone in the world, but I work out EVERY day at least a little.



Quote from the OP's profile: " I'm losing weight as we speak and have no plans to gain it back. "

The OP sounds like he's just seen the light, and wishes to enlighten the rest of us, not unlike a reformed smoker.

He's right, of course, in saying that people should be taking care of their health. At least that's the spin *I* want to put on it. lol My submissive is wonderfully fit, bless him. While I, on the other hand, am okay, but not wonderfully fit, (Yes, my profile has pics,) I'm still the one that owns his perfect bottom.

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/25/2005 1:44:30 AM   
FelinePersuasion


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Status: offline 		He also makes claims to be sensitive and kind which his point finger run in atatcking message belies.

I like the post about the one fat lady with horrible feet who just needed some kindness. I am over weight I don't make myself misreable about it but I could use a little kindness now and then in the form of motivation from someone. Maybe someone offering to take me for a walk with them, or asking If I wanted to go out and play somewhere with their active family like parks and bike rides.

I'd go and be a lot more active if someone was here to do it with to add that extra support.

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/25/2005 2:24:56 AM   
ExistentialSteel


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Status: offline 		The OP does indeed rub folks the wrong way. Possibly it is because it is posted here and not on a fitness board or something. It is safe to assume that those into D/s are no more out of shape than the population at large. So why target this group by saying doms and subs should be fit?

Having said all that, I am into fitness. I started 3 years ago with dieting, weightlifting and easy running. I totally changed my body and health. I'll be glad to talk privately with anyone interested or guide you to excellent fitness web sites.

The subject is too involved to cover here, but there are basics to fat loss and muscle gain. Eat lots of protein, only complex carbs, consume omega 3 essential fatty acids, eat small meals 6 times a day, drink lots of water and begin a weight lifting program. Believe it or not, the aerobics are the least important aspect.

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/25/2005 9:41:32 AM   
OedipusRexIt


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Status: offline 		For every body "style" there are fans. Personally, I find something attractive about nearly everyone, but do also have a hard time getting by those who let themselves become morbidly obese.

I realize that there are fetishists who seek just that, and I'm glad for them they have an outlet for satisfaction. Still, I do concur with the original post on this topic, that it is surprising anyone would let themselves go so much.

Why have to work so hard to climb stairs, find clothes, find a seat on a plane that doesn't overflow onto your neighbor.... when all you have to do is say not to excess?

Guess this is the wrong site for saying no to excess...

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RE: Body Maintenance - 11/25/2005 10:08:22 AM   
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No, I knew what the OP was saying, just expanding the same train of thought. Like you I have very limited mobility. I cant walk 100 yards with out resting and even then I need a brace on my left knee and my stick... Pluss diabties has much of my systems screwwed. (In my Physician's own words.. "Your metabolism is screwed and your imune system is fucked".) However I have changed diets as well as working on additional excersises which will work once the pain control is more effective. Untill my left knee went down to a shotgun blast (thank god for kevelar) I was supper fit and at the age of 49 played my last game of gridiron, so you can immagine the psychological changes i've had to make.. Still things always look good and my health re'geme is designed to return some of my health.

IronBear


People age; while generally their wisdom increases, they develop physical limitations. They may also have responsibilities for aging parents. These things are not relevant to a search for my One; i believe physical limits are just a call for creativity and service.

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