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The reason I don't like Obama is because he's too much of a Leftist weenie.
If we caught Bin Laden alive Obama would want to give him a "trial!"
And he'd make sure he had a muslim bible in his jail cell!
McCain would attach a chain around Bin Laden's neck attached to a 200 pound block and give him a kick and push him right into the pit at "Alligator Adventure."

Haha, gotta love Street Justice... "a nation of thugs" is what we will become.

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Now it`s about an un-known crook from butt fuckville,USA.

Funny how the news is.

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butt fuckville,USA.

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butt fuckville,USA.

LOL... rhat statement is exacrly why common Americans hate Liberals.

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Again, is it not a victory that he remains free? Especially after Cowboy Bush's "dead-or-alive" speech. You don't think that makes us look weak and foolish in the eyes of the rest of the world, particularly the terrorists?

For what it's worth, I thought then Bush made a mistake with that "dead-or-alive" bit. Great theater, lousy policy. It is far too easy to make a martyr of him--and that would be the antithesis of justice.

Bin Laden free and hiding in a cave is not a great outcome, merely the best outcome. Even Arafat usually managed to find a decent hotel.

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Far be it from me to question your motives, but somehow I think that if this had been an Al Gore administration you and every other conservative Republican would be beating the "why haven't we captured Bin Laden?" drum.

I can only speak for myself and say you would not--for the reasons I have already outlined.

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Ummmmm Mandela was a national hero.Ummmm ,obl was behind 9/11.

Ummmm.....Osama bin Laden is a hero to the purveyors of radical fundamentalist Islam--who have shown more than ample willingness to kill and die for their beliefs. What we think of him is immaterial--what has relevance is what his followers think of him. To the South African government, Nelson Mandela was a terrorist, and we would do well to remember that: the cliche that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" holds true even for bin Laden.

As for justice:

The goal of every terrorist is to draw the eyes of the world upon himself. The terrorist wins when everything people do they do looking around for warning signs of the next terrorist attack. The terrorist wins when we make him relevant. The terrorist loses when we make him irrelevant.

Bin Laden behind bars is bin Laden forever at center stage. Bin Laden killed in a hail of gunfire is a martyr to Islam and a hero on a par with Saladin. Both outcomes are bin Laden victorious.

Giving bin Laden the victory he craves is not my idea of justice.

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I feel bad that the speech from Olympus is getting the short shift. I found it most enlightening.

The Senator pointed out the fact that more Americans were working for less, had homes in foreclosure, see their homes losing value, had difficulty affording college, and couldn't afford to put gas in their cars. Jobs they go to and work voluntarily, homes they bought voluntarily, education that is not guaranteed by the Constitution or any amendment to it, cars that are bought and used as a end decision process. Senator Obama said that all these problems continue because the government didn't and doesn't "respond". What I waited for was exactly HOW the Senator would respond in the event he became President. Did anyone hear any further commentary that could be interpreted as an answer?

Will you expect and demand answers before you cast your vote?  Are you ready to blinding go forth with someone who can point out the obvious but is unwilling to assign any blame to the perpetrators, the people who made those decisions regarding residence, job, mode of transportation? Although it wasn't the Senator, someone else at the convention went beyond these adult made decisions and furthered the case of excusing failure by saying that people shouldn't have to, or be expected to relocate in order to get a "good job". Alluding to the requirement that businesses should bring whatever job or responsibility to the place where people live, and not where the work is. I tried to imagine the construction boom that was occurring in Vegas being outsourced to Detroit; but don't think that manufactured housing was what Steve Wynn has in mind for his next casino.

Forget for a minute about how the Senator will fund his proposals. Let's give him an open checkbook. What is the reality of an Obama administration? Will your choice of housing be government determined? Will everyone be a government employee working out of your government subsidized home? Will you be driving in a government provided personal vehicle, or be allowed to have a personal vehicle? Will you have a say in what education and what level you child can achieve or will your progeny be enrolled in a blanket education program brought to you by the same government bureaucracy which brought you "No child left behind"?

I listened - that is what I heard. How about you?  

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Independently from Obama's speech, I loved this line from this ordinary guy from Indiana, Barney Smith: "We need to put Barney Smith before Smith Barney." It pretty much says it all.

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Have you considered that those wanting to see a more detailed plan ... not ultra detailed, but a good general framework would be nice ... are the same folks that would like to get away from the popularity contest of our current system?

Maybe it's the folks like you who make it a popularity contest.  It's not hard to find the answers to the questions that have been raised here, but you're not going to find them listening to one or two speeches and a few sound-bites on your evening news. 

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Have you considered that those wanting to see a more detailed plan ... not ultra detailed, but a good general framework would be nice ... are the same folks that would like to get away from the popularity contest of our current system?

Maybe it's the folks like you who make it a popularity contest.  It's not hard to find the answers to the questions that have been raised here, but you're not going to find them listening to one or two speeches and a few sound-bites on your evening news. 

That of course, assumes that I have watched only one or two speeches and a few sound bites on the news ... a pretty big assumption to make towards a total stranger.
 
Truth be told, I have right around 90 hours this year, working as a volunteer for a candidate for the Democratic nomination ... three hours a night, three nights a week, for ten weeks. I don't suppose anyone here noticed that I suddenly had time to start posting again, right after my choice exited the race. Watching and reading information from all candidates, from both parties ... probably ten times that number.
 
But, perhaps you are right, and a stockholder in this company has no right to ask the important "how and why" questions of someone that wants to be our CEO.

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Ummmmm Mandela was a national hero.Ummmm ,obl was behind 9/11.

Ummmm.....Osama bin Laden is a hero to the purveyors of radical fundamentalist Islam--who have shown more than ample willingness to kill and die for their beliefs. What we think of him is immaterial--what has relevance is what his followers think of him. To the South African government, Nelson Mandela was a terrorist, and we would do well to remember that: the cliche that "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" holds true even for bin Laden.

As for justice:

The goal of every terrorist is to draw the eyes of the world upon himself. The terrorist wins when everything people do they do looking around for warning signs of the next terrorist attack. The terrorist wins when we make him relevant. The terrorist loses when we make him irrelevant.

Bin Laden behind bars is bin Laden forever at center stage. Bin Laden killed in a hail of gunfire is a martyr to Islam and a hero on a par with Saladin. Both outcomes are bin Laden victorious.

Giving bin Laden the victory he craves is not my idea of justice.

Actually CL,I find myself agreeing with you on this.The terrorist indeed loses when we make him irrelevant and I am all for that.With one small caveat though,first my government keeps faith with it's citizens and the memory of his victims...and brings him to justice in one form or another for the crimes perpatrated against us.To make an argument that we are better served by him sitting in his cave is illogical and an afront to those that died on Sept.11th 2001..

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But, perhaps you are right, and a stockholder in this company has no right to ask the important "how and why" questions of someone that wants to be our CEO.