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Republican Branding - 8/29/2008 2:35:18 PM   
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Politics is often the triumph of form over substance, allegation over fact, and propaganda over reality.

In terms of political maneuvering, the Republicans have been absolutely superior to the Democrats. The only thing tilting the balance now is the growing influence of substance, fact, and reality --- intruding into the American mindset --- visible in the mismanagement of the IRAQ WAR, the federal budget, the mortgage market, Afghanistan, Katrina, Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and poor relations with Russia.

So we see:

> In the 2000 election George W. Bush, who had shirked military service, succeeded in presenting himself as more reliable on national security than Al Gore. This was despite Gore's service in Vietnam, his seven years on the Senate Armed Services Committee, his four years on the House Intelligence Committee, his help in brokering a deal to dismantle the nuclear arsenal of former Soviet republics, and his creation of binational commissions with Russia, South Africa, Egypt, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine to deal with issues ranging from AIDS to disarmament. In 2004, too, even before the Swift Boat campaign, John Kerry, a decorated Vietnam veteran, had an uphill climb convincing voters that Democrats made reliable commanders in chief during wartime—even though a majority of Americans had already come to regret that the sitting commander in chief had chosen to wage war in the first place.

In the 2004 election, exit polls showed that Bush led John Kerry by nearly 20 percent on the question of which man would better protect the nation against terrorist attacks. The images of John Kerry as a hunter were greeted with greater ridicule than that of George W. Bush wearing a flight suit and staging a landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier off the coast of California. To paraphrase President Clinton's 2002 remark, American voters generally seem to prefer strong and wrong to smart and right. <

Will we see a continuation of "strong and wrong" in 2008? Will Republican branding again succeed in tagging "smart and right" as weak and inferior?

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/29/2008 3:04:10 PM   
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I think the real problem for rational thought in America is the American national myth which like all national myths, is a load of old cobblers but to know that, you have to think and most people don't like thinking, especially when they sense thinking won't confirm their comfortable view of life. The other problem is that when you live in America, the rest of the world seems so far away, if it exists at all because the American media doesn't report on world news that doesn't involve America and is never critical of America in any significant way. This just adds to the comfortable isolation most Americans seem to experience. Do most Americans realize that when Bush landed on the aircraft carrier to confirm victory in Iraq that most of the world guffawed at this comic character? Everybody in the world saw he was acting out some two dimensional Hollywood hero while knowing he was too chicken to fight in Vietnam. Then they realize, this middleaged juvenile is the most powerful man in the world with his finger on the button and he is actually taken serious in America! Certainly my American friends here in Amsterdam held their head in their hands and implored us to believe not all Americans are like that. Actually one added, it was just Republicans but I don't know.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/29/2008 9:14:49 PM   
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The other problem is that when you live in America, the rest of the world seems so far away, if it exists at all because the American media doesn't report on world news that doesn't involve America and is never critical of America in any significant way.


My local newspaper, THE BALTIMORE SUN, closed all its foreign bureaus this past decade. Its the only "real" newspaper in a metro area of about 1.8 million people. Its old competition, THE NEWS AMERICAN and the EVENING SUN, closed decades ago.

Basically the news business is being morphed into the entertainment business with corporate-conglomerate management types in charge.

What is happening is we have less news people out there getting facts, working sources, and gathering and disseminating quality information. In place of such reporters, we have huge infotainment spin machines.

So yes, there's an enclosure of the American mind taking place. Look at how our press failed us in the rush to war in IRAQ.... On some level, we Americans just don't value being informed.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/29/2008 9:38:19 PM   
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I have little respect for average Americans.  They deserve to suffer for being dumb enough to elect Bush--twice.  I particularly despise the Christian right.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/29/2008 10:14:38 PM   
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On some level, we Americans just don't value being informed.


......why is this? Is it a legacy of isolationism?

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/29/2008 10:29:50 PM   
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I have little respect for average Americans.  They deserve to suffer for being dumb enough to elect Bush--twice.  I particularly despise the Christian right.


I despise the Christian right and the looney left.
Ah! It's nice being an Independant!

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/29/2008 10:37:53 PM   
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I despise the Christian right

Why then have you repeatedly claimed to have voted for a christian right party?

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 12:25:22 AM   
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On some level, we Americans just don't value being informed.


......why is this? Is it a legacy of isolationism?
No, I think it's an arifact of American Exceptionalism. If one is convinced that one lives in the greatest, freeest, most advanced democracy the world has ever seen, what reason is there to study other countries? Why should one care about other nations and their peoples? I see it on other boards; it distills to "fuck Europe" (Europe is invariably the target).

Now, I just had a notion occur to me. Americans tend to look down on other nations/peoples as less advanced, less free, more barbaric, etc., just as conservatives tend to look down on those who were born in this country outside the white corporate good-ole-boy system as being shiftless, lazy, stupid, and so on.

Most of the Progressives I know travel with the intent of actually learning about other people and cultures. I know I do. I took two years of German at the Goethe Institut before I went to Deutschland for my 50th. Now, there are more than a few conservatives who claim to have similar foreign travel, but when you dig a little deeper, they've spent their time on a military base and their knowledge of the local culture is "Ein Maß, bitte." I have yet to find a Republican who has gone to Indonesia to study Gamelan, or been to the jungle villages in Peru teaching. They just don't do that sort of thing.

I think that attitude leads to a particularly dangerous form of Provincialism. One where its adherents believe that not only the US is superior (I remember the TV station sign-off vids in the Sixties: always something militaristic, with a flag motif and so on, showing us all that, in case there was any doubt, we had a bunch of jets and shit to beat up on the Gawdless Commonsists), but that it was Manifest Destiny to export the Amerikkkan way of life to Viet Nam (one sign off vid that remains in my memory I saw late at night at an SDS communal house), Guatemala, South Afrika (uh-huh),  and anywhere else that people got the idea that maybe, just maybe, the Amurkins didn't have all the answers.

Ike warned about this. He warned about the military-industrial complex. Nobody listened. And he was a Republican (nothing like today's Homo Republicanus, though)!  And today, the Republican party is the political arm of the US Chamber of Commerce, the action arm of the Wall Street Journal, and the legislative guardians of inherited power and wealth.

There is no survival value in being informed. Become informed, and your neighbors turn on you (reminds me of a famous experiment wherein a chimpanzee was given LSD, then put back into the troop. After a very brief time, the entire troop was up in arms, not because of anything the chimp deliberately did, but because he blithely ignored all the social niceties of the troop. He became his own chimp, so to spaek, and was cast out for not confornming).

No, it's not a legacy of Isolationism. It's an active social process of convergence to the mean, "go along to get along", imitating one's "social betters", and all those other coping mechanisms that help Muffy and Biff get into the best schools, and get the best jobs, and meet the right people (Skull and Bones, anyone), and thus continue to perpetuate the status quo, rather than make any meaningful change.

Conservatives oppose Level Playing Fields, peri and post-natal nutrition programs, meaningful school reform, free post-secondary education, Affirmative Action, health care reform (neighborhood clinics that focus on prevention and adequate nutrition), and pretty much any other safety net/assisted self-improvement programs, not so much because they are philosphically opposed to them, but because they might lead to their positions of power being challenged.

Enough for now. 

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 3:50:10 AM   
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On some level, we Americans just don't value being informed.


......why is this? Is it a legacy of isolationism?


My pet theory?  I think its the bastard child of the Civil War and mass consumerism.  Keep the masses politically naive and high-falutin' ideas like independence for California or wherever will remain resolutely unthinkable.  USA,USA!

Abraham Lincoln would address a political rally for 6 hours and it would be standing room only.  In the TV era?  Soundbites and bumper stickers tax average powers of concentration.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 3:56:38 AM   
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On some level, we Americans just don't value being informed.


......why is this? Is it a legacy of isolationism?


This is not about politics but isolationism. While driving yesterday I saw a billboard for a local college:

'Friends don't let friends take French'
Business courses 100%   Fluff courses 0%

It shocked me, my first thought was 'what about international business? isn't learning another language important and the concept of it being fluff a bit dangerous?'


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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 4:08:46 AM   
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People deserve to suffer? And for electing Bush you have no respect for the  citizen from the country you obviously live in? Then do us a favor, LEAVE!... I am certain there is a dictatorship you could find happiness under somewhere or perhaps a nice theocracy that would love to have you, they love so many different races and creeds.
I have never voted for Bush but would prefer him and our system over any other in the world.
p.s. if what you need is a one way ticket, name the country and I will gladly be the first to donate to your Leave America Now fund.


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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 4:45:45 AM   
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Silv, I thoroughly detest that "love it or leave it" attitude. If I take over and you don't like my policies are YOU going to leave ? Or will you stay and fight ?

No other problems here though, but I will mention this. If noone stands up for this country and speaks out, and at least tries to make a change for the better, we may see the day when people do emmigrate from the US. I know some immigrants through work. Most of them do actually consider going back after seeing how things are here. Do you want the trend to continue ? These are not wetbacks, these are professional people who get good jobs and pay taxes, and this country is not as attractive to them as it once was.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 5:27:14 AM   
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Oh, I thought this was a thread about branding.  I was looking forward to a VERY interesting convention! (Sigh)

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 5:38:34 AM   
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My sub was branded with a cauterizing pen last weekend if that helps any. Nothing Republican about it though.

Very interesting process from the usual strike or running iron brands. Healing up nicely and will be looking forward to the final result.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 5:38:49 AM   
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To paraphrase President Clinton's 2002 remark, American voters generally seem to prefer strong and wrong to smart and right. <

Will we see a continuation of "strong and wrong" in 2008? Will Republican branding again succeed in tagging "smart and right" as weak and inferior?


We Democrats could have eliminated this problem by putting forth a candidate that offers a well defined plan with both sides of the financials behind it ... you know - not only the numbers of how much we are going to spend on it, but also where the money is going to come from.
 
I have to take this from history, so please excuse me for being incorrect, but in my reading it seems obvious that the last candidate our party put forward with a serious and defined plan, was former President Clinton, who won two terms. Ever since then our party has focused on a strategy of promises, and "we are not them" philosophy.
 
If Senator Obama, who is a wonderful speaker and exciting leader, with only an etherial plan, can't defeat the Republicans after eight years of President Bush, then it's time for our party to take a serious look at the candidates we are putting forward, and the strategy used to get them elected.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 5:45:19 AM   
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"To paraphrase President Clinton's 2002 remark, American voters generally seem to prefer strong and wrong to smart and right."

Yea, he was a whiny little thing, wasn't he. Thank the goddess for term limits on that one.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 5:47:36 AM   
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Yes thank goodness because he would have definitely been re-elected, glad that you understand that.  Now that the reign of the little illiterate cowboy is reaching an end and he can no longer steal elections, now that is something to be thankful for. 

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 5:56:32 AM   
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If anyone took the time to listen to Obama's acceptance speech Thursday night, it was STRONG, it had meat and potatoes on how to deal with the economy, health care, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and much more. It explained who he was and how he felt he was qualified to do the job.

If you go to his website, there are pages of policy doctrine. Most people don't want to take the time to investigate. That is why the 60 second lies masked as political ads work. Take some time people. See what they have voted for and what they have said over time. McCain's campaign has been taken over by the Bush machine. They believe if you say it three times, loudly, then the public will believe it (remember weapons of mass destruction? no global warming? the economy is stronger than ever?)

If people don't want to take the time to educate themselves instead of researching and making educated decisions, they get the government they deserve.


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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 5:58:52 AM   
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Now that the reign of the little illiterate cowboy is reaching an end and he can no longer steal elections, now that is something to be thankful for. 

Please don't call him a cowboy. I don't think he has ever ridden a horse or worked with cattle. Call him a Texan or an oilman, but please don't call him a cowboy.

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RE: Republican Branding - 8/30/2008 6:09:43 AM   
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I agree with you.  The more I hear the Repubican's rhetoric..the more  I see where they got their ideas and policies.

 
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Please don't call him a cowboy. I don't think he has ever ridden a horse or worked with cattle. Call him a Texan or an oilman, but please don't call him a cowboy.


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