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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 5:29:10 PM

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I have seen similar articles, back in July.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121728762442091427.html

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 5:44:37 PM

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Ah but they are a partisan group, and have a dog in the fight, at least if you track the money. They are owned by Annenberg, who had a particular Senator on their payroll for a few years. That is another issue though.

I agree about the necessity to protect ones personal belongings by incorporating, it is just not done by all. Like I said, I would feel much more comfortable if he would clarify his definitions of those words, as at times they seem to contradict each other, or at the very least confuse the issues.

Yeah, well, the fact that the 23 million number is bogus isn't partisan. The fact that the US Chamber of Commerce is not a government agency, and is partisan wrt business isn't partisan. The fact that the US Small Business Admin has dtat that completely debunks McCain's allegation (bald-faced lie, really) that Obama would raise taxes on damn near everybody isn't partisan. It's an excellent analysis, and destroys McPOW's fabrication thoroughly. You believe what you want. If I thought that, when all the smoke is cleared and the mirrors broken, taxes would go up under BHO, I'd say so and then point out that we can't borrow from China indefinitely, and have to pay for this goddamned Iraq invasion some way other than creating money. I'll point that out anyway. We can't borrow our way out of this record-breaking Bushevik debt load any more than the US can drill its way to energy independence.

If someone can show me some REAL numbers from the McSame campaign, I'll listen. No more lies, though, huh?

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 5:48:25 PM

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Well, hardly a thinking sort of think tank that. Rather lacks any sort of credibility, it is rather like asking George Ws wife if she thinks he is doing ok.

It at least has the temerity to identify it as oped.

LOL,

yeah, plenty of that sort of tripe available.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 5:50:09 PM

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WSJ slams a dem nominee? Shocker.

Next...Ms. magazine endorses feminism. news at 11.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 5:55:20 PM

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Want numbers with no opinion... here ya go.
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AI000_boskin_20080805210427.gif

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 5:56:06 PM

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No, they didn't slam him, it was factually and neutrally reported oped from a think tank that is a propaganda arm of the neo-cons, they were just sayin'

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:01:13 PM

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If that is true why are revenues higher now? Also, if you raise taxes on investments and corporations, how does this encourage spending or job creation?

The reason the budget is fucked is because of the out of control spending, along with us being involved in 2 wars, NOT because of lower taxes.

Your ideological aversion to raising taxes -- which is ingrained the Republican mindset --- has resulted in the hugest budget deficits we've ever seen. Your logic above is utter bullshit. Name one 2-3 year period where cutting taxes resulted in cutting the federal deficit.

Don't you see what's happened --- the political Culture of Reagan-Bush-Bush has been that federal spending can explode without a tax policy to support it. Its been a very cynical policy on their part to please Americans today while fucking them in the long term.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:07:34 PM

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Want numbers with no opinion... here ya go.
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AI000_boskin_20080805210427.gif

LOL, you kill me Thadius........you are a great joy.

Last Line, source Michael Boskin. Not an empaneled group...just Michael Boskin

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This further demonstrates an 'unrational exuberance'.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:08:44 PM

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If that is true why are revenues higher now? Also, if you raise taxes on investments and corporations, how does this encourage spending or job creation?

The reason the budget is fucked is because of the out of control spending, along with us being involved in 2 wars, NOT because of lower taxes.

Your ideological aversion to raising taxes -- which is ingrained the Republican mindset --- has resulted in the hugest budget deficits we've ever seen. You logic above is utter bullshit. Name one 2-3 year period where cutting taxes resulted in cutting the federal deficit.

It has nothing to do with a Republican mindset, it has to do with it being my money. Is revenue higher or lower than when the tax cuts were put in place?

OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING AND 2 WARS are responsible for the huge budget problems. I think your concept is the one that is utter bullshit, how about holding congress and this president responsible for the frigun deficits? I look forward to your proof that lower tax rates are responsible for the budget deficit, please include where revenues went down from the tax cuts.

I now return folks to their normally scheduled debates.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:10:21 PM

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Want numbers with no opinion... here ya go.
http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AI000_boskin_20080805210427.gif

LOL, you kill me Thadius........you are a great joy.

Last Line, source Michael Boskin. Not an empaneled group...just Michael Boskin

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I simply provided the only numbers available... got something else. Also I didn't claim it or the wsj was impartial or unbiased.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:15:21 PM

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Nope, but I do not agree that any old whistled up numbers will suffice for purposes of this discussion.

John McCain will spend 10 billion a month for the rest of our lives, that is the Iraq war (known) cost at this moment and that number is ubitquious. How many tenners is that gonna be for somebody, (your children or grandchildren) to pay back?

Borrow money, they will come.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:16:34 PM

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Nice save Thadius...sort of.

Thanks Ron.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:20:59 PM

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How come that number hasn't changed a cent or dollar with the recent draw downs, and don't the up coming draw downs bring that 10 Billion number down a bit? Or is we gonna use numbers as whistled up space savers, know what I am sayin?

I agree we are going to have to pay for shit, and the crazy ass financing that the government is entering into is gonna come to bite all of us in the ass, especially if it is continued. Are you suggesting as cloudboy is that revenues are lower now than before the tax cuts?

Mind you I am completely in agreement about getting rid of the corporate welfare for industries not needing the support because of national security purposes.

Edited to fix the use of an improper no instead of KNOW.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:22:04 PM

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Why are the peasants revolting?

Because they have no bread!

Well, let them eat potato chips!

Please sir, can I have some more?

AH HA!!!! I knew you couldn't eat just one.

My apologies to many famous people (real and imagined) throught history.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:23:54 PM

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:29:11 PM

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How come that number hasn't changed a cent or dollar with the recent draw downs, and don't the up coming draw downs bring that 10 Billion number down a bit? Or is we gonna use numbers as whistled up space savers, know what I am sayin?

last firm number I got, was the 10 billion, I know, a billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you're talking about some real money.

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Are you suggesting as cloudboy is that revenues are lower now than before the tax cuts?

They are down from something, and up from something else I am sure, I haven't seen any figures on it, or time-spans or nothing, did he quote something I missed, I actually have been running around working outside a lot.

Ron

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:36:01 PM

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Gen Petraeus just completed a report, and I can't remember if it has been presented or will be this week on some big draw downs in force size in Iraq.

I am a bit lazy to look it up at the moment.

I have been hearin that 10 billion number for the last 6 months, at least it is consistant. Needless to say, that price tag is coming down or should be, hell I don't trust any of those frigun bean counters.

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:43:18 PM

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Well, even with drawdowns, the troop levels have to be there to rotate. It is getting increasingly hard to get folks to join, so more recruiting monies are spent, then no matter what, the tanks gotta be polished, the blowed up helmets gotta be replaced, the sand has to be cleaned outta the helicopters, it costs alot more to fly them back and forth with the gas and whatnot, who is to say? Might be a horse apiece.
They are looking at a hell of a hospital bill at some point because this cannot go on as is. WW2 is about done, Korea is past the high point I should think, Vietnammers are old geezers and coming into their problems, lotta desert storm, desert shield and of course now mother of all wars folks coming back.....

And nobody here has said they dont believe in afghanistan, whether or not we agree with the way it is run..............

I dunno what the number is, it is significant. Put that number in our economy....

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:45:23 PM

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WSJ slams a dem nominee? Shocker.

Next...Ms. magazine endorses feminism. news at 11.

Really!!!hi there!

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RE: Presidential candidate comparisons. - 8/31/2008 6:48:36 PM

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It has nothing to do with a Republican mindset, it has to do with it being my money. Is revenue higher or lower than when the tax cuts were put in place?

OUT OF CONTROL SPENDING AND 2 WARS are responsible for the huge budget problems. I think your concept is the one that is utter bullshit, how about holding congress and this president responsible for the frigun deficits? I look forward to your proof that lower tax rates are responsible for the budget deficit, please include where revenues went down from the tax cuts.

I now return folks to their normally scheduled debates.

Your position is unsubstantiated by the facts, and you are living in an ideological fantasy land. Just remember, there's the world you want to live in (cutting taxes cures a budget deficit) and the actual world we live in (cutting taxes has never cut the federal budget deficit.)

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