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Musicmystery -> Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 4:13:11 PM)

Hi all,

Not looking to pick a fight here---honest question.

Given all the rhetoric about being "ready" to lead and to command the armed forces----

Does anyone believe Sarah Palin is "ready" to be Commander in Chief?

And if so, please explain why. I would truly like to understand the reasoning.

Thank you.




Thadius -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 4:21:25 PM)

Tal Tim,

To answer honestly, I have to say that I don't think anybody is truly ready to be commander in chief until they take the office.  That being said, she is already the commander in chief of an armed force, and while it is a small force it is still some practical experience.  I won't turn this into a comparison of her record vs the candidate of the other party, except to say what makes him qualified?

We constantly speak about folks doing what they are capable of, rising to or falling to their station in life.  We discuss and cherish those that take integrity and self responsibility on as part of their character and make up, I believe that extends to both genders.  IF one is capable rise up and take control of what one can, is that not part of what we both claim to believe, regardless of gender?

I wish you well my friend,
Thadius




Alumbrado -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 4:33:22 PM)

One line of reasoning is that this isn't Imperial Rome or a military caste run society, and under the Constitution, being Commander in Chief is a birthright for any who can reach it.

But what is the reasoning for questioning her readiness to be CiC, any more than any other VP nominee?  Has she shown herself to be less qualified than say  John Sparkman, Joe Lieberman, or Dick Cheney?




celticlord2112 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 4:43:58 PM)

quote:

Does anyone believe Sarah Palin is "ready" to be Commander in Chief?

I do.

She has had to make tough decisions.  She chose to resign from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission to protest what she deemed "lack of ethics"--and then filed formal complaints against another commissioner, Randy Ruedrich, who was also the head of the state Republican Party and the former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes. 

Having the courage of one's convictions is essential for a Commander-in-Chief.  If there is a single credential that is essential to be Commander-in-Chief, this is that credential.  Palin has demonstrated in a direct and personal way that she has that credential.

As head of the Alaskan National Guard, she's visited Iraq and seen first hand the situation facing the soldiers nominally under her command.  She has a son who will be deploying to Iraq.  While she may not have served in the military, she has a direct personal stake in the conduct of this nation's military affairs.

The trajectory of her political career is one of a person who gets involved in the problems and challenges at hand and pushes for solutions. 

She is without a doubt a leader--and that is what qualifies her to be Commander in Chief.




Jeffff -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 6:19:05 PM)

Dude. I have agreed with some of your posts and disagreed with others.

You just WANT to drink the kool-aid.........don't ya...........

lolol

Jeff





Aynne88 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 6:55:57 PM)

CL you really do amuse me.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPNyEFoauN8

Nice flip flop on the bridge to nowhere too....[8|] Well, McCain didn't even know her name a week ago, so can't expect the righties to know any more about her can we? 




celticlord2112 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 6:59:44 PM)

I drink tea, coffee, beer, and good scotch.

Care to actually rebut what I said?




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:00:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

Does anyone believe Sarah Palin is "ready" to be Commander in Chief?

I do.

She has had to make tough decisions.  She chose to resign from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission to protest what she deemed "lack of ethics"--and then filed formal complaints against another commissioner, Randy Ruedrich, who was also the head of the state Republican Party and the former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes. 

Having the courage of one's convictions is essential for a Commander-in-Chief.  If there is a single credential that is essential to be Commander-in-Chief, this is that credential.  Palin has demonstrated in a direct and personal way that she has that credential.

As head of the Alaskan National Guard, she's visited Iraq and seen first hand the situation facing the soldiers nominally under her command.  She has a son who will be deploying to Iraq.  While she may not have served in the military, she has a direct personal stake in the conduct of this nation's military affairs.

The trajectory of her political career is one of a person who gets involved in the problems and challenges at hand and pushes for solutions. 

She is without a doubt a leader--and that is what qualifies her to be Commander in Chief.

CL do you work for these people?




celticlord2112 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:02:44 PM)

Do you have a rebuttal?




cyberdude611 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:06:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Thadius

Tal Tim,

To answer honestly, I have to say that I don't think anybody is truly ready to be commander in chief until they take the office.  That being said, she is already the commander in chief of an armed force, and while it is a small force it is still some practical experience.  I won't turn this into a comparison of her record vs the candidate of the other party, except to say what makes him qualified?

We constantly speak about folks doing what they are capable of, rising to or falling to their station in life.  We discuss and cherish those that take integrity and self responsibility on as part of their character and make up, I believe that extends to both genders.  IF one is capable rise up and take control of what one can, is that not part of what we both claim to believe, regardless of gender?

I wish you well my friend,
Thadius


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We dont have a system in America to prepare people to be leaders of the country. Many nations have a corporate like system where you rise up through the ranks. We tend to want to do that here but that doesnt always work out real well.

Obama certainly does not have the experience for that office any more than Palin does. Obama has served in a state legislature and in the US Senate. There is a huge difference between those jobs and the POTUS. Massive difference.

The reason Palin gets more scruity for experience is because she's an outsider. She isnt part of the old club on Capital Hill who act like they are better than everyone else and pretend they cant be touched.




kiwisub12 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:06:59 PM)

I agree with CL - how does being a senator in Washington make you qualified to be CIC?  Do you have to be a senator to be an effective CIC? Yes , it may make you more familar with where the bodies are buried, and how things work in Washington , but she will have staffers to supply this info. She has been running a state with integrity, which probably is more than most senators can say. 

As CIC she is making the decisions, not implimenting them - that is why she has staff.




celticlord2112 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:07:54 PM)

Sorry, but if Olbermann is all you got, you ain't got a leg to stand on. 




Aynne88 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:10:03 PM)

As opposed to that puff piece you posted? I kid in the military and the national guard?[8|]

Olbermann is just reporting it CL, he didn't make it up. You do know that right? So how about that bridge to nowhere? 




celticlord2112 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:15:09 PM)

quote:

Olbermann is just reporting it CL, he didn't make it up. You do know that right? So how about that bridge to nowhere?

What about it?  Governor Palin is a phony because she canceled a project?





Aynne88 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:20:15 PM)

From the New Republic:
Did Palin Really Fight The “Bridge To Nowhere”?

Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.

So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly—the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin—the bridge had become a national laughingstock, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely. True, after Palin was sworn into office that fall, her first budget didn't allocate any money for the bridge. But when the Daily News asked on December 16, 2006, if she now opposed the project, Palin demurred and said she was just trying to figure out where the bridge fit on the state's list of transportation priorities, given the lack of support from Congress. Finally, on September 19, 2007, she decided to redirect funds away from the project altogether with this sorry-sounding statement:

"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," said Governor Palin. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Governor Palin added. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."

Maybe I've missed something, but it sure looks like she was fine with the bridge in principle, never had a problem with the earmarks, bristled at all the mockery, and only gave up on the project when it was clear that federal support wasn't forthcoming. Now, Charles Homans, who knows Alaska well, says Palin's anti-corruption instincts are fairly solid (she sold off the gubenatorial jet upon taking office, for one), and a casual Nexis search suggests that she's fiscally conservative (insofar as that term makes sense in a quasi-socialist state like Alaska), but this hardly looks like the "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" moment everyone's making it out to be.


Not phony, just typical, and certainly not the paragon of political virtue you painted in that glowing review. However, it is not quite cancelling a project, would you deem it that if it were Obama? Nooooo.


quote:

ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

quote:

Olbermann is just reporting it CL, he didn't make it up. You do know that right? So how about that bridge to nowhere?

What about it?  Governor Palin is a phony because she canceled a project?






kiwisub12 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:24:05 PM)

Most people tend to have opinions that they change over time. Doesn't mean that they are unstable.  Means with new info. they update their thought processes.
Actually it shows a flexibility in their thinking.




Thadius -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:25:21 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aynne88

As opposed to that puff piece you posted? I kid in the military and the national guard?[8|]

Olbermann is just reporting it CL, he didn't make it up. You do know that right? So how about that bridge to nowhere? 


I can't believe you are saying that and trying to be honest.  Olbermann is just reporting it? 

Hell even Bill Maher has commented on how far Olbermann and Matthews are in the tank for Obama.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/08/30/maher-matthews-olbermann-were-ready-have-sex-w-obama
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I think there is a problem, though, with the media gushing over him too much. I don't think he thinks that he's all that, but the media does. I mean, the coverage after, that I was watching, from MSNBC, I mean these guys were ready to have sex with him....It's embarrassing.




Aynne88 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:26:12 PM)

 Wow. It is like Rush and the ditto-heads, the new millenium.  





Aynne88 -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:29:11 PM)

But but but I thought the right wing's cry was that Maher was sooooo liberal? Hard to follow you guys sometimes.
Not when he attacks MSNBC? K, got it now. tks.

Palin is a pathetic attempt to get the chick vote. Maybe some will go for it, who knows. But a hard core Hillary supporter? Fuck that. Bad move on McBush's part.   




slvemike4u -> RE: Palin as Commander in Chief (8/31/2008 7:29:52 PM)

Do I have a rebuttle?     Other than the question previously posed....no ,I like the one I posted(after i added an f )Do you work for these people.You practically regurgitated a hi-lite page from her greatest hits,all correctly slanted .Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the comittee to elect John McCain.




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