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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 2:42:45 PM   
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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 2:45:14 PM   
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Obama can speak coherently, putting his sentences together intelligently, that puts him ahead of Reagan, Bush and McCain.


I still think actions speak louder than words. Otherwise, it's ashame that you think people with speech impediments, lisp, stuttering, etc... lack the inteligence to be president.

"I may speak softly but I carry a big stick." President Theodore Roosevelt.

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 3:07:52 PM   
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Also, what difference does it make if he is the sponsor or co-sponsor? I think its more important to see the positions a Senator takes.

The sponsor of a bill is the one introducing the bill into the Senate.  It is "his" bill, as it were.  Co-sponsorship merely means one supports the bill--and in fact many Senators "co-sponsor" a bill after it has been introduced.

Co-sponsorship is the "yeah, me too" of Congressional politics.

Examining the bills a Senator actually sponsors, and their status in the legislative process, also serves as an indicator of his or her capacity to move legislation through the process.

So far, Obama has successfully moved eight of his bills through the Senate--four in the 109th Congress and four in the 110th Congress.

By comparison, Hillary Clinton successfully moved 9 bills through the Senate in the 107th Congress alone (her first term in the Senate).  She moved another 10 bills through the Senate in the 108th Congress.

McCain moved two bills through in the 100th Congress (his first term in the Senate) and 10 in the 101st Congress.

The job of the executive is to get things done, to move the business of government forward by implementing and executing policy.  Setting aside the questions of direction and policy, every President is charged with this simple task.

In the Senate, moving the business of government forward means passing legislation.  Comparing his Senatorial career with the comparable period of McCain's Senatorial career, McCain has a vastly superior track record of getting his bills passed through the Senate.


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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 3:10:57 PM   
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Lets talk about voting records

I quite agree--voting records are far more telling about where one stands.

However, voting itself is not an "accomplishment," and the topic at hand is accomplishments.

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 3:17:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you think Obama has any accomplishments to his name? If yes, would you be so kind as to list them? If you don't think he has accomplished anything, then why not create a thread that lists his unaccomplishments :-) ? You obviously have a pretty clear idea of what constitutes accomplishmentness or accomplishmentadom, or even accomplishmentitude: I'm sure I'm not alone in dying of curiousity .

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 3:23:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have already listed some of his accomplishments in various threads, it seems though that certain folks that support him haven't a clue about them.  Go figure.

He was intrumental in getting an employment office opened closer to the south east side of the city,  He also played a part in getting asbestos removed from a housing project.  However, it is not my job to spoon feed those that choose to back him, for nothing more than "He is not Bush" and "He gives a good speech".  I find it confusing that folks supporting him are not able to bring up positive aspects of the man's career, and feel the need to simply cast it off as he is not a particular candidate or of a particular party.  It is of course their right to vote for whoever for whatever reasons they choose, I just find it to be telling about the value of that choice.  Which of course is my right.

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 3:25:08 PM   
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Do you think Obama has any accomplishments to his name? If yes, would you be so kind as to list them? If you don't think he has accomplished anything, then why not create a thread that lists his unaccomplishments :-) ? You obviously have a pretty clear idea of what constitutes accomplishmentness or accomplishmentadom, or even accomplishmentitude: I'm sure I'm not alone in dying of curiousity .

To use a common rejoinder, you should read what I have written.  This question has already been answered.

To assist, here is the link to my comments earlier in this thread:
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2106788


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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 3:46:41 PM   
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In the Senate, moving the business of government forward means passing legislation.  Comparing his Senatorial career with the comparable period of McCain's Senatorial career, McCain has a vastly superior track record of getting his bills passed through the Senate.



Apples and oranges. McCain didn't run for the office of president during his second session. How's he doing on getting legislation passed this year since he's been running? I've noticed a whole lot (no vote) from both candidates this year. Running for president seems to be a bit time consuming, no?





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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 3:59:46 PM   
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Apples and oranges.

Apples and apples.  I am comparing Obama's legislative track record with McCain's track record from the comparable point in his career, to mitigate any handicap Obama might have being a rookie Senator.

As an interesting aside, on the basis of legislative accomplishment during their first two sessions of Congress, Clinton (107 and 108) trounces both Obama (109 and 110) and McCain (100 and 101)--and that at a time when the Democrats were in the minority.  She is going to be a formidable opponent to the Republicans in 2012.


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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:07:20 PM   
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accomplishmentitude:



      Kitten!  What are you doing?!  Quit watching those clips of President Bush's speeches!  Don't you know that crap is contagious!

      Please don't scare me like that!  It's like crossing your eyes.  Your tongue could get stuck.

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:11:51 PM   
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Dunno about that CL.

All the party apparatchiks have been leaned on heavy, and she couldn't pull it off.

She drove hard and was put away wet.

While she ain't an Adlai Stevenson, at this point..........I don't see anyone going to the mats for her in the party (after all the electoral college and the superdelagates are intrenched party machinery) .......

They would sooner back a dogfuck candidate already in office than admit they fucked up (Bush a recent example) Mcain couldnt get off the ground, but he tried.

Now, if he cakks, for whatever reason (bullets come to mind) then she has a go against Biden, allie allie in free, but I cannot think of anyone EVER (I may be mistaken) but certainly not in my lifetime, fucking a sitting president.  Puking on their shoes and whatnot, they will 'stay the course'.

But that is me, no cites, no special internal gossip.

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:14:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think pulling out of a not so obviously privileged background is an accomplishment; going through Harvard and graduating with high honours is an accomplishment; it's an accomplishment to climb up the ranks of a large political party and to be nominated to run for president of a large nation. It's also an accomplishment to electrify millions of people throughout the world with a speech, as he did last week. These are all accomplishments, and you can choose to look at a person's life as a whole, rather than just as a list of specific 'professional' achievements. Remember Bita's beautifully written paragraph, the one I quoted at the beginning of this thread? That sums it up for me.

Would you consider that the outgoing US president had any accomplishments worth mentioning, before his election(s)?

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:23:50 PM   
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Apples and oranges.

Apples and apples.  I am comparing Obama's legislative track record with McCain's track record from the comparable point in his career, to mitigate any handicap Obama might have being a rookie Senator.

As an interesting aside, on the basis of legislative accomplishment during their first two sessions of Congress, Clinton (107 and 108) trounces both Obama (109 and 110) and McCain (100 and 101)--and that at a time when the Democrats were in the minority.  She is going to be a formidable opponent to the Republicans in 2012.



And I'm pointing out that it's not comparable because McCain wasn't running for the office of President during his second session and Obama is currently doing so. (Clinton wasn't running for President during her second session either.) McCain pushed through 2 bills his first year, Obama pushed through 4. Obama announced he was running for the office of President in Dec 06. The second session began Jan 07. How is that comparable since Obama has been running for President and back in (think it was) 88-89 McCain was 'not' running for President therefore had time to sponsor and get more bills pushed through.

We disagree on what's comparable, that's all. Just to make sure I understand - you want to compare McCains second session to Obamas second session to mitigate the fact that Obama is a rookie.. but don't consider that running for the office of President is a mitigating factor? If running for the office of President is 'not' a mitigating factor, how do you explain McCain and Obama's miserable attendance in Congress over the past several months? Obama has the second worst record among democrats and McCain has the absolute worst attendance among all senators. Sure sounds mitigating to me. What say you?

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:28:50 PM   
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Obama can speak coherently, putting his sentences together intelligently, that puts him ahead of Reagan, Bush and McCain.


To quote Joe Biden,  "Obama, is articulate and clean"....is this how low the bar is to become President?  A man
who can read a script!  Heck, if that was the case Alec Baldwin would be President.  Sorry guy, but we are
going to the polls in November to elect the leader of the free world, not for the "academy award". 
No question in my mind, Obama is the #1 actor on stage this year.  The man is fantastic. He can play the  part of president delightfully.  

The problem with Obama is that we have become used to hearing his vocalizing off the teleprompter and the impact that we felt six months ago is gone.  LIke a "one song" pop group, I would say, actually, that he is getting boring. Same old, same old, Bush is lousy,no McCain is four more years of Bush, Oil companies are baaaaadddddd, little stupid people who purchased homes they can't afford with no money down are goooooooooddddd....Healthcare for EVERYONE...(leaving out the part that taxpayers have to pay the bill) and on, and on and on. 

Google the speeches of Hubert Humphry, Mondale, Carter, and Clinton...and all we are hearing is the same old language of a distribution of the wealth liberal withhout a new idea in his head.  I kinda wonder what the caucus State results would be today if Hillary had found her voice as she did in the final months of the primary race, and people knew of the radical associates this man Obama cultivated over the years???

By the way..you might be too young to remember Ronnie, but he was a fantastic speaker. 


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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:39:01 PM   
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Yeah, Ronnie Rottencrotch was a fantastic speaker, he could memorize quite a few lines, and could look at a teleprompter for his que in such a way most people wouldn't notice.

An actor indeed.

I didn't see any sort of conclusion, but am I to understand that I should vote McCain because he is a dooflus without teleprompter?

Aint that sorta maybe you can see, well look what if, democratizing folks like Arbusto do?

  

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:44:50 PM   
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Would you consider that the outgoing US president had any accomplishments worth mentioning

  • Signed the Concealed Carry bill that Ann Richards vetoed.
  • Worked with the Texas legislature to bring about $2Billion in tax reductions (which if you know anything about Texas politics, working with the Texas legislature on anything is itself a huge accomplishment).
  • Promoted the development of wind-generated electricity in Texas (wholesale wind generated electricity rates in Texas in 2006 were between 4 and 5 cents per kilowatt, contrasted with Germany, whose wholesale rates for wind-generated electricity were 7 and 11 cents during the same period).
  • Pioneered government support for faith-based welfare programs and services--and yes, I happen to think it's a good idea.
  • As managing partner of the Texas Rangers:
    • Snagged Nolan Ryan from the Astros (Ryan being a rather popular fellow in baseball circles, this was something of a big deal)
    • Gets the Ballpark in Arlington built (nice facility, very good for baseball)
    • Ok, this isn't an accomplishment per se, but in 1994, when Bush resigned as managing partner of the Texas Rangers to assume the office of Governor of Texas, the Rangers had finished 1st in their division for the first time ever.


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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:50:20 PM   
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If you can't see it now, you won't ever see it, so I fail to see why you keep on charging at this door when you know it won't ever open. As Jeffff put it so succintly, you won't change your mind, and neither will others... draw your own conclusions.
Truly. If there were ever a "Horatio Alger" story, Obama is it. He should be honored as a hero by the right; he exemplifies everything that they preach. Self-made man, rags-to-riches, overcoming adversity, yada yada... Hell, if he were Republican, he'd be their Presidential candidate.

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:51:40 PM   
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"Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 570 bills in the 109th and 110th Congress.

Senator Obama has sponsored or co-sponsored 15 bills that have become LAW since he joined the Senate in 2005.

Senator Obama has also introduced amendments to 50 bills, of which 16 were adopted by the Senate.
 
His record is in fact quite impressive for a junior Senator from Illinois.

Most of his legislative effort has been in the areas of:
  • Energy Efficiency and Climate Change (25 bills)
  • Health care (21 bills) and public health (20 bills)
  • Consumer protection/labor (14 bills)
  • The needs of Veterans and the Armed Forces (13 bills)
  • Congressional Ethics and Accountability (12 bills)
  • Foreign Policy (10 bills)
  • Voting and Elections (9 bills)
  • Education (7 bills)
  • Hurricane Katrina Relief (6)
  • The Environment (5 bills)
  • Homeland Security (4 bills)
  • Discrimination (4 bills) "


 
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/obamas-senate-accomplishments/
 
 



We are all pretty much aware that the Junior Senator from Illinois "Co-Sponsored" a lot of Bills...as do most
"Junior" anythings...they pretty much sign on to any party bill.  That's just how it is...but certainly not a measure
of "legislative activism".  Figures don't lie but liars...ya know....Daily Kos is doing their job trying to create a
resume for Obama.  Gonna have to dig deeper than this.  The only thing Obama brags about is his comunity
activism...so what?  Palin was an activist too...she ran and won the mayorship of her small town...the kinda place
most of us live in and understand the problems a mayor has to face with people walking into your office daily.
Obama has done nothing, has no paper trail of accomplishments other than two books, one mentored by the good
Rev. Jerimiah Wright....  Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. 

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:53:21 PM   
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Everyone in the state of Minnesota that passed NRA gun safety training could get a concealed carry.  Renew with a phonecall. Been that way since I was at least 12 years old.

Now, cause this fuckweasel signed that bill into law, and vetoed countless others or put signing statements on them, leaving me with the largest debt in history...

$75-150 course every year given by cops who know less about and have less experience with guns than I do....gotta give out all sorts of private data to the feds,  the cops can turn you down because they don't like the way your face hangs, their pricks, or for any fucking non explainable reason they care to.............

Yeah and fuck texas and baseball, don't help the economy one bit.

Whats windpower going for now, Tex?.


Ron 

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RE: Sentor Obama's accomplishments - 9/1/2008 4:53:29 PM   
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Just to make sure I understand - you want to compare McCains second session to Obamas second session to mitigate the fact that Obama is a rookie.. but don't consider that running for the office of President is a mitigating factor?

You're right, I don't.  Not every Senator is running for President.  In fact, most actually stop long enough to work to pass more than a few token pieces of legislation before jetting off for the Oval Office.  Like, oh, say, Hillary Clinton?  As well as John McCain.


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