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Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/2/2008 6:58:29 PM   
thomas790


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Status: offline 		i am aware that feminization of males or crossdressing is something that only appeals to a minority of Dommes. Unfortunately, it is deep need that i can't seem to shake since first trying on Women's clothing as a youngster. i am trying to find a Domme or venue that offers extended training in being a sissy or a maid that would allow me to immerse myself in this kink. my fantasy, which i would like to make into a reality, would be an environment that provides an intensive experience over a matter of days or just a long weekend. i understand that such training would be valuable and so i would be prepared to provide a tribute for it. Hopefully I could learn more about makeup, dressing, deportment, and service.i live in Washington DC and my preference would be to find such an opportunity within 5-6 hours flying time in the US, Canada or another nearby destination. If anyone has any advice i would deeply appreciate hearing it. Thank You.
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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 6:47:56 AM   
SolangeRichards


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Status: offline 		There are any number of Pro-Dommes that offer this sort of thing. A quick pass on Google yielded loads of names and links that you could explore.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 9:10:39 AM   
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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 10:30:03 AM   
thomas790


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Status: offline 		Thanks very much. What I have found is session based: an hour by hour sort of experience. However, in other countries I have come across Dommes that provided a structured weekend or longer of training and instruction. I just haven't seen it available at a reasonable distance.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 2:17:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thomas790

Thanks very much. What I have found is session based: an hour by hour sort of experience. However, in other countries I have come across Dommes that provided a structured weekend or longer of training and instruction. I just haven't seen it available at a reasonable distance.


I don't know if this is applicable in D.C., but you might want to go to a house of domination and ask to be trained by several Mistresses. If you're serious and good at cleaning, I'm sure that they would figure out an affordable way for you to be trained by the ladies who are available during your stay.

Or, if you're willing to go to NYC, try her out: http://www.missvera.com/maid.html

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 2:29:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		A friend of mine is involved with a Sissy Maid Academy that I believe occurs once a year, over a weekend.  The only link I have (http://stephienj.tripod.com/macademy.htm) is to one that was apparently cancelled, but it includes a contact e-mail address.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 2:44:33 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		Does anyone else ever read these types of threads and wonder???

It's always the same answer, it seems.  Go to a pro.  I have to wonder if that is because Dommes who are into this sort of thing are in more than high enough demand or certain kinks just don't have the popularity that one might hope.  I've often had the same thought when the AB's show up.  It's obviously not what most dominant females are looking for, so the only option is to pay someone to pretend to be interested.

I have to ask Myself, aren't there better venues?  Is it really so hopeless out there?


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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 5:36:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think part of the problem is that many of these fetishes are not  D/s or bdsm actvities, they just fall under the umbrella of alternative sex, so fetishists come here. 

I won't go into why I won't do sissification, or AB play.  I will say that both fetishes require a lot of preparation and equipment.  They need an understanding of the how and why of the fetish, what works, and what will seem fake.  (yes, I know)  It's not something most non professional dominants are set up for.  It's also not something that most dominants I have met are interested in.  If experiencing the fetish is of prime importance---and so very often it is the experience, and not the PERSON of the dominant providing it---well yes, finding a house or a professional is the best option.  Often, unfortunately, they ARE pretending to be interested.  I've met TWO dominants who genuinely cared about their sissies and babymaids, the rest were just along for the entertainment value, or the money. 

It is sad, really.  The AB's that I have gotten to know are a blast when they are not doing their thing.  Still, it does all come back to is that man interested in a relationship with a human woman, or with an archetype who will enable his fantasy?   I don't think that it's wrong to want one or the other or both, but I think we have to accept that not everyone's needs are easily met.



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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 5:42:23 PM   
thomas790


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Status: offline 		Thank you to everyone who has commented. I have sent an e-mail to the website mentioned by the kind NY Dommes. I have done a Google search regularly and there is less there than it seems. Many of these are sites that offer phone or e-mail training or some sort of pornography. Interestingly there are programs that provide exactly what I seeking in the UK, other areas of Europe or in OZ or NZ. In fact, I have corresponded with a very thoughtful CollarMe member in the UK who runs a week long in residence program at a fantastic price. I travel much further distances 3-4 times a year so it is something I may consider down the road.
I appreciate the comment from LadyPact. It is my misfortune that my bent is one that is of limited interest. I have served pro Dommes in the past but am hoping to find something more in depth. In the long run my hope is that the experience will help me understand if I am suited for this on a regular basis. At the same time I hope that the training would make me a more adept and desirable subject if I am able to find the one in 10000, a million or whatever.
My thanks again to everyone.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 5:42:53 PM   
stella41b


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Does anyone else ever read these types of threads and wonder???

It's always the same answer, it seems. Go to a pro. I have to wonder if that is because Dommes who are into this sort of thing are in more than high enough demand or certain kinks just don't have the popularity that one might hope. I've often had the same thought when the AB's show up. It's obviously not what most dominant females are looking for, so the only option is to pay someone to pretend to be interested.

I have to ask Myself, aren't there better venues? Is it really so hopeless out there?



That's not quite true and I don't get the 'pretend to be interested' bit. Just because it appears not to be a popular kink, if it is a kink, there's no reason to run it down. Rather negative for someone who to me is genuinely seeking advice, is it not?

How do you know for example that the person may not have gender issues? From my own personal experience maiding is a very popular kink among dommes and they are very interested, provided there is that symbiotic relationship where the needs of both domme and sub are met fully. Why? Because it gets their houses clean. Pure and simple.

Coupleofwhats is spot on with her advice here, go to a pro-domme. But not to pay, but to offer service. That is if you are genuinely serious about helping her and working in her house rather than feeding your own kink. However most crossdressers just want to be able to share that feminine part with themselves with someone who understands and who doesn't dismiss them with their own prejudices. Most pro-dommes, if they're not interested might know someone who is. It takes a little effort and persistence, but if you are genuine and honest it pays off eventually. This is how I started out in BDSM in my teenage years by maiding for one of the close friends of Lindi St Clair, a well known UK pro-domme.

What makes it less popular are the games of constant validation and micromanagement that so many of those seeking feminization appear to seek. Newsflash! No domme is going to put in the effort of feminizing you unless you're prepared to give equal measure back at least, and that feminization only comes in the form of emotional support, make up and clothing tips and so on. That's the bottom line.

You may find an interested Mistress at a munch, but this isn't really a scene friendly part of BDSM but is rather non-scene, so it doesn't take place at any venues. Housework and kink don't really mix. You can of course pay if you want your kinks to be pandered to but in any event the choice remains the same - either you pay or you work - but either way you give of yourself and to me this is really the only route into BDSM for such people.



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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 5:47:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stella41b


Coupleofwhats is spot on with her advice here, go to a pro-domme. But not to pay, but to offer service. That is if you are genuinely serious about helping her and working in her house rather than feeding your own kink.



Ugh, true story. EVERY sissy maid/boy who has contacted me for a session has turned out to be horrible. They decide they want to clean in exchange for their session. Sorry hun, that means you have to *clean*. Flouncing around in a petticoat with a duster is useless- and scares the cat.


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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 6:31:56 PM   
thomas790


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Status: offline 		Everything written makes absolute sense.It should be about service not simply getting excited by dressing up. An opportunity to remove something many others consider a burden. It is comforting to help with practical services such as laundry, ironing, dusting, handwashing dishes, cleaning, etc.
I find dressing humiliating and it enhances my submissive posture. Dressing puts me in my place.
Serving as a maid is not the sole definition of my submission. I would hope that my profile shares that. However, it is something I have found fulfilling and hope to explore more.
At the risk of rambling on, my maid's uniform is unadorned that is made for housekeeping staff in your typical hotel.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 6:51:52 PM   
dannyteasetoy


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Status: offline 		I've often wondered why sissys and crossdressers don't often hang out together and indulge in each others fantasy life. I'm not talking about bi sex, but maybe shopping for clothes and such. It's as if they are a bit creeped out by thier own kink when it applies to another man. I've read that most crossdressers are actually quite hetero and I don't doubt that.

I'm not big into into crossdressing myself (OK, a little bit as a humiliation device) , but I always thought  it'd be cool to see sub men picking out bras for each other at Victorias Secret.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 7:59:06 PM   
pinnipedster


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I've often wondered why sissys and crossdressers don't often hang out together and indulge in each others fantasy life. I'm not talking about bi sex, but maybe shopping for clothes and such. It's as if they are a bit creeped out by thier own kink when it applies to another man. I've read that most crossdressers are actually quite hetero and I don't doubt that.


Without going on too long, I would separate "crossdressers" from "sissies" here -- that is to say, there are plenty of crossdressers who are not particularly into the "forced feminization" fantasy, and they do in fact network and bond and help each other out; there are any number of clubs and events out there for them (I should say "us" but I never actually go to those events -- to me, personally, they seem like they would be too artificial.)  As to why the "sissies" might not, I suspect it could be that they are uncomfortable with the whole thing without somone there to "make" them do it. 

I do think there are a lot more submissive men with this fantasy than there are Dominant women interested in pursuing it (even more so than the high ratio of sub males to Dominant women in general).  When I've chatted with Dominants online, they frequently raise several objections.  One is that many "sissies" are into the humiliation of it, and the notion that being feminine is intrinsically humiliating rubs many women the wrong way (also, it tends to perpetuate many stereotypes about women).  Another question I've often heard is: "How can I 'force' you when you *want* to dress up?"  All I can say to that is that many Dominant women have no problem with tying up men who like to be bound, or whipping men who like being whipped, etc.  This is why I've taken to referring to my kink, rather than "Forced Feminization", as "Enforced Feminization,"  That is, no, you don't have to make me dress up, but you could still take control of it, use it to modify my behavior, push it further than I might take it on my own, or use it as a kind of reward.  (A digression: one lady I was chatting with online once had the notion that, if I deserved punishment, rather than dressing me up in a maid's outfit or a sexy vixen of some kind, she would dress me as a drudge -- dowdy housedress, fuzzy slippers, curlers in the hair, mudpack on the face, etc. -- then tie me up in front of a mirror so I would have to look at myself that way.  I thought that was pretty creative!)    Anyway, I've run into a few Dominant women who only like the idea of feminizing guys who don't ask for or want it -- it has to be her own idea.  I can understand that, but it surely is frustrating for those of us looking for it!

Finally, one humorous note is that I've talked to a number of Dominant women who don't find the idea of a cross-dressing sub appealing -- but are convinced that almost all other Dommes do....if so, I must be picking the wrong ones to talk to!

I think that one reason so many professional Dominants do cater to the fetish is exactly because it's so hard for men to find women who are into it, so they're willing to pay.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/3/2008 8:54:56 PM   
steffie


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Status: offline 		Lady Ellen in NJ runs some sort of a crossdressing service.  She's not a "pro".  I've never met her, only communicated with her briefly.  You can email her at "inquiry at lefemmefinishingschool dot com" (am writing it this way because CM keeps stripping out the address).

I believe her services are more along the lines of helping people like yourself shop for clothes, teaching you how to do makeup, how to walk in heels, that sort of thing.  There is nothing sexual involved.

From what i understand she has regular social functions for TV's and sissies.

Hope that helps.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/4/2008 4:44:46 AM   
LadyPact


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ORIGINAL: stella41b

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Does anyone else ever read these types of threads and wonder???

It's always the same answer, it seems. Go to a pro. I have to wonder if that is because Dommes who are into this sort of thing are in more than high enough demand or certain kinks just don't have the popularity that one might hope. I've often had the same thought when the AB's show up. It's obviously not what most dominant females are looking for, so the only option is to pay someone to pretend to be interested.

I have to ask Myself, aren't there better venues? Is it really so hopeless out there?



That's not quite true and I don't get the 'pretend to be interested' bit. Just because it appears not to be a popular kink, if it is a kink, there's no reason to run it down. Rather negative for someone who to me is genuinely seeking advice, is it not?

How do you know for example that the person may not have gender issues? From my own personal experience maiding is a very popular kink among dommes and they are very interested, provided there is that symbiotic relationship where the needs of both domme and sub are met fully. Why? Because it gets their houses clean. Pure and simple.

Coupleofwhats is spot on with her advice here, go to a pro-domme. But not to pay, but to offer service. That is if you are genuinely serious about helping her and working in her house rather than feeding your own kink. However most crossdressers just want to be able to share that feminine part with themselves with someone who understands and who doesn't dismiss them with their own prejudices. Most pro-dommes, if they're not interested might know someone who is. It takes a little effort and persistence, but if you are genuine and honest it pays off eventually. This is how I started out in BDSM in my teenage years by maiding for one of the close friends of Lindi St Clair, a well known UK pro-domme.

What makes it less popular are the games of constant validation and micromanagement that so many of those seeking feminization appear to seek. Newsflash! No domme is going to put in the effort of feminizing you unless you're prepared to give equal measure back at least, and that feminization only comes in the form of emotional support, make up and clothing tips and so on. That's the bottom line.

You may find an interested Mistress at a munch, but this isn't really a scene friendly part of BDSM but is rather non-scene, so it doesn't take place at any venues. Housework and kink don't really mix. You can of course pay if you want your kinks to be pandered to but in any event the choice remains the same - either you pay or you work - but either way you give of yourself and to me this is really the only route into BDSM for such people.




Let's expand then, shall we?

If I were a pro, such as I believe coupleofwhats is, I'd be saying whatever brought Me the advertising and the revenue.  Wouldn't that make the most sense?  To do the best for business?  The lifestyle stuff, I could have on the side.  The clients are, well..... clients.  They became clients for a reason.  It's not this random thing of they chose to pay because they had so many other options out there.  This is why pro domination exists, isn't it?  Supply and demand?  Sorry, hon, but the last six months of seeing more Dommes than male subs at lifestyle gatherings tells Me that it's not a shortage of femdoms out there.  It's more like many lifestyle dommes aren't willing to settle on certain things. 

On the other hand, a pro would cater to certain interests that a lifestyle domme might not.  For the right price, they might pretend to be interested in a certain kink, for an hour or two.  That doesn't mean they want it full time.  If they did, there wouldn't be a reason to pay, would there?  If there was this great supply out there, would there be a demand?  Who in their right mind would pay if the lifestyle option was out there for free?

Pro dommes fill a very specific need.  They wouldn't exist if lifestyle dommes were willing to top everyone.  The fact is, many have certain standards that don't jive with certain kinks.  This is called personal preference.  Everyone has a right to it, even if that means some people will pay to get a bang in the buck.


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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/4/2008 5:39:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well said pinniepedster. I liked your clarification regarding "enforced" rather than "forced" feminization.
 I also have some difficulty understanding the quick dismissal, by many Dommes here, of those males who enjoy feminization, while embracing those who enjoy experiencing  masochism.
 Bottom line, as always, as these posts help me realize how lucky I am, not having to play such games. Thank you Mistress Nancy for understanding me.

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/4/2008 5:56:22 AM   
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Thanks very much. What I have found is session based: an hour by hour sort of experience. However, in other countries I have come across Dommes that provided a structured weekend or longer of training and instruction. I just haven't seen it available at a reasonable distance.


How much do they usually charge for a weekend?

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/4/2008 6:06:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: herpet1313

Well said pinniepedster. I liked your clarification regarding "enforced" rather than "forced" feminization.
 I also have some difficulty understanding the quick dismissal, by many Dommes here, of those males who enjoy feminization, while embracing those who enjoy experiencing  masochism.
 Bottom line, as always, as these posts help me realize how lucky I am, not having to play such games. Thank you Mistress Nancy for understanding me.


Some people are into it and some are not. Why is that hard to understand? Would you rather have them pretend to be interested in something they really don't like? How would that help anyone?

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RE: Extended maid or sissy training providers or venues - 9/4/2008 6:27:56 AM   
asiandominatrix


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Status: offline 		If you want to genuinely serve, then you can offer your services to a Domme who is lifetyle or Pro.

If you really want to experience this as a sexual gratification and outlet, then I recommend seeing a Pro.

The difference is honestly, a Pro will cater to the fantasy that you're looking for. I'm sure there are Pro Dommes that will be happy to negotiate a weekend price. I recommend you read up on Mistresses you think you would like to see, then email them or phone them personally to discuss what the possibilities are.

Usually professional Dommes are quite flexible and are happy to work something out for you.

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