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RealityLicks -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 5:21:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
In order for Obama to be elected President of the United States in 2008, he will need a majority of white voters in the United States to vote for him and that is just not going to happen.


But Fats, if the Bradley Effect is not down to racism, what is it down to? 


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Oh and to the future sometime in the next thirty to forty years when that Black American one day does get elected President of the United States, it will be a pretty good bet that he or she will be a conservative Republican.


Translation?  Anyone?  (cos the chickenshit won't "see" this post)




kittinSol -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 5:51:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

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Oh and to the future sometime in the next thirty to forty years when that Black American one day does get elected President of the United States, it will be a pretty good bet that he or she will be a conservative Republican.


Translation?  Anyone?  (cos the chickenshit won't "see" this post)


I think FatDad is saying that IF a black president gets elected in the next THIRTY years (talk about long term planning), he or she will be a conservative, right-wing (fasc... forget it), Republican president. Not a liberal, left-wing, Democratic person like Obama.

Condoleeza, perhaps? She has all the attributes that would satisfy FadDad (AND she's a chick, AND she's gay).




rulemylife -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 6:11:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

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Oh and to the future sometime in the next thirty to forty years when that Black American one day does get elected President of the United States, it will be a pretty good bet that he or she will be a conservative Republican.




Translation?  Anyone?  (cos the chickenshit won't "see" this post)


I think FatDad is saying that IF a black president gets elected in the next THIRTY years (talk about long term planning), he or she will be a conservative, right-wing (fasc... forget it), Republican president. Not a liberal, left-wing, Democratic person like Obama.

Condoleeza, perhaps? She has all the attributes that would satisfy FadDad (AND she's a chick, AND she's gay).


She's gay?  Did I miss something somewhere?




kittinSol -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 6:19:20 AM)

You're right. We shouldn't be swayed by rumours [:(] .




thishereboi -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 6:30:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

quote:

ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

quote:


Oh and to the future sometime in the next thirty to forty years when that Black American one day does get elected President of the United States, it will be a pretty good bet that he or she will be a conservative Republican.


Translation?  Anyone?  (cos the chickenshit won't "see" this post)


I think FatDad is saying that IF a black president gets elected in the next THIRTY years (talk about long term planning), he or she will be a conservative, right-wing (fasc... forget it), Republican president. Not a liberal, left-wing, Democratic person like Obama.

Condoleeza, perhaps? She has all the attributes that would satisfy FadDad (AND she's a chick, AND she's gay).


She is gay? Is she really? Or is this more of you usual "I can say anything I want if it's true or not, as long as it makes the other guy look bad"

Do you ever use facts to make a point, or is it all make believe?




kittinSol -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 6:33:41 AM)

Who cares [8|] ? Remember the recent 'Obama's fake birth certificate' thread? Why weren't you rushing to my help to debunk that particular piece of crap?

Case in point.




gina0055 -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 7:56:32 AM)

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

These numbers offer a different scenario than what the thread title suggests.


Obama 08!




RealityLicks -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 7:56:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
I think FatDad is saying that IF a black president gets elected in the next THIRTY years (talk about long term planning), he or she will be a conservative, right-wing (fasc... forget it), Republican president. Not a liberal, left-wing, Democratic person like Obama.


I must need glasses then because I think he's saying that the US won't be prepared to elect one for 30-40 years. But that he's for some reason omitting to state that this is a racist proposition.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 10:12:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
In order for Obama to be elected President of the United States in 2008, he will need a majority of white voters in the United States to vote for him and that is just not going to happen.


But Fats, if the Bradley Effect is not down to racism, what is it down to? 



You can argue it either way.

Case 1: People are prejudice, and will lie about it. Say they are voting for the black guy, but then don't when no one is watching, or

Case 2: Some people are intimidated by political correctness, and don't want to be seen as "racists", even if their reasons for voting against the black guy are purely non-racial, so they lie to the pollster.

A third case could be made that most of the polls ask the wrong questions, or are leading and slanted.

Firm




kittinSol -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 10:17:08 AM)

Or he's saying that the US won't be prepared to elect a black president for the next three or four decades, but that when it is finally ready to do so ([8|]), it will be a Con.

Esoteric syntax makes it hard to understand what he is indeed saying, but his message isn't straightforward at all.




subrob1967 -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 10:33:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Who cares [8|] ? Remember the recent 'Obama's fake birth certificate' thread? Why weren't you rushing to my help to debunk that particular piece of crap?

Case in point.


Obama's been served a summons today on his birth status, the story isn't over yet, and hasn't been proven one way or the other... And before you try to use the snopes article, the suit was filed 10 days before the Dem convention, but Hussein seemed to have missed getting his copy.

Before we pass judgement, let's see what the court has to say about Hussein's citizenship.




Simpleslave101 -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 10:42:28 AM)

it is simple. You want someone who has experience to run this country or not? Do you want a glory seeking upstart to be in charge when the shit hits the fan....? I mean really




kittinSol -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 10:49:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Before we pass judgement, let's see what the court has to say about Hussein's citizenship.



When you're proven wrong, will you come back here and apologise for being an instrument in the propagation of disgusting, xenophobic rumours? I hope so.




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 11:18:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks
quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
In order for Obama to be elected President of the United States in 2008, he will need a majority of white voters in the United States to vote for him and that is just not going to happen.

But Fats, if the Bradley Effect is not down to racism, what is it down to? 
quote:


Oh and to the future sometime in the next thirty to forty years when that Black American one day does get elected President of the United States, it will be a pretty good bet that he or she will be a conservative Republican.

Translation?  Anyone?  (cos the chickenshit won't "see" this post)


Cos what?

In the next, mean just what it say, in the next. I hope we get a Black Conservative Republican President sooner but I have no doubt by mid century we will have a Black President.

Bigotry and racism are no where near the same thing.

America is NOT a racist country. America does bigotry issues, about race, sex, weight, religion and origin of birth. Your comments show you are not stranger to these issues.

Of the reasons not to vote for Barrak Obama the following are steeped in bigotry;

His race,
His name,
His skin color,
His father's heritage.

To say that a small but still in the millions of likely white voters who still strongly hold these views are going to all of a sudden turn their eyes away from their historical prejudice and over look them to vote fro Obama is naive.

I wish his skin color and name didn't matter. I doesn't matter to me but to millions of people it will and lets not just lump white people into this or think they are all bigoted red neck, with rifles and NASCAR stickers. 1,000,000's of white Jews will not vote for Obama that would otherwise vote Democrat. Millions of Hispanics will not vote for him either solely because of where his Father is from. Millions of Asians will not vote for him for the same reason. Again to deny this is foolish.

That's bigotry but it is not racism and over the course of time, bigotry can be over come.

I doubt there was a person in the crowd, or for that matter in the nation upon hearing Dr. King's Dream Speech in 1963, believed that the DEMOCRAT Party, The Party of
segregation, of Bull Connor, of condoned lynching, of Jim Crow  and Party of bringing back the Confederate Battle Flag as official state flag to protest Brown vs The Board of Education, would 45 years later have a a Nominee for President and man of African heritage.
Some may have hoped but nobody believed.

Look how fast 45 years is.   




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 11:22:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Before we pass judgement, let's see what the court has to say about Hussein's citizenship.



When you're proven wrong, will you come back here and apologise for being an instrument in the propagation of disgusting, xenophobic rumours? I hope so.


I'll take this post to go on record.

I think this Birth Certificate stuff is zenophobic nonsense. I believe Obama is a Christian, A loving father and husband, a loyal and patriotic American and a good man.

I do not like his liberalism or his Democrat politics but I am proud as an American that he is in the race.




thishereboi -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 12:05:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Who cares [8|] ? Remember the recent 'Obama's fake birth certificate' thread? Why weren't you rushing to my help to debunk that particular piece of crap?

Case in point.


I thought that paricular piece of crap should have been obvious to anyone with sense. I did think it was funny that it turned out to be a HC supporter who started it, but I never considered that it might have been true.

For the record however, yea I think Kittin was right and the whole fake birth certificate thing was crap.




subrob1967 -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 12:14:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Before we pass judgement, let's see what the court has to say about Hussein's citizenship.



When you're proven wrong, will you come back here and apologise for being an instrument in the propagation of disgusting, xenophobic rumours? I hope so.


Yes...

And if it turns out to be true, and Barry has to produce a real birth certificate,  regardless if he's a citizen or not, after all thats what the lawsuit was filed to determine, will you offer apologies for you're propaganda?

I never claimed it was true, or Hussein wasn't a citizen, all I did was post a link to the story.




bestbabync -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 1:18:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

that war in iraq will end pretty soon, no matter who is president.  but i heard Obama say tonight that he would consider going to war if needed.  he claims to be against terrorism and plans to protect our country from it.  if war is the answer he stated he WILL use our military. 


As Noam Chomaky pointed out, if you want to stop terrorism, stop participating in it.

Obama has to act tough because acting like a militarist wins elections while acting like a diplomat doesn't.


he should not mislead his voters!  he should not act or pretend!  i thought he was against the old politics!




meatcleaver -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 1:22:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

that war in iraq will end pretty soon, no matter who is president.  but i heard Obama say tonight that he would consider going to war if needed.  he claims to be against terrorism and plans to protect our country from it.  if war is the answer he stated he WILL use our military. 


As Noam Chomaky pointed out, if you want to stop terrorism, stop participating in it.

Obama has to act tough because acting like a militarist wins elections while acting like a diplomat doesn't.


he should not mislead his voters!  he should not act or pretend!  i thought he was against the old politics!


Call me a cynic or maybe you are naive but no one would get voted in if they were completely honest. When people hear honesty they freak because almost invariably it takes them out of their comfort zone and makes them realize their cozy little world is based on a lie.




rulemylife -> RE: Why Obama cannot win in 2008 (9/5/2008 1:40:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

You're right. We shouldn't be swayed by rumours [:(] .


I haven't even heard the rumors.  Guess I lead a sheltered life.  Last rumors I heard involved her schoolgirl crush on Dubya.




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