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Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 4:52:53 PM   
FangsNfeet


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Status: offline 		Who would have thought not having your birth certificate this far in the game wouldn't be a problem?

Finding Obama's Birth Certificate now is like doing another search for WMDs.

http://hubpages.com/hub/OBAMAS-CITIZENSHIP-IN-QUESTION

Maby the Govenator of California can use Obama's citizenship issue to cause a loop hole for him to run one day.

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 5:07:23 PM   
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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 5:51:31 PM   
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 5:58:09 PM   
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Sheesh, do you guys work for Karl Rove?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/



No need, we have a Hillary supporter taking care of business

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Philip Berg, the well-known Philadelphia attorney and former Deputy Attorney General for the State of Pennsylvania who two weeks ago sued Illinois senator and Democratic Party presidential nominee Barack Obama in federal court challenging the constitutionality of his White House bid, was at the courthouse this morning to file a Praecipe for Reissuance of Summons.


source with links to washington times, Obama was served a summons today, according to the story.

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:03:11 PM   
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I do have just one simple question.  If all of the other data is visible, why block out the certificate number?

Oh and an observation, if you look lower center, you can see what appears to be blue ink bleeding through... there is what looks to be a date of Jun 2007.

Would not the certificate number be a way to crossreference this and put an end to the damn crazies and their theories?

Just sayin.

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:04:44 PM   
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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:07:58 PM   
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FactCheck's report includes photos of the certificate, complete with registration number.

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:10:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The stamp that appears to be 2007 may indicate when the document was requested.  The covering of the certificate number may be a privacy issue. 

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:11:55 PM   
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dc, thank you for the link.

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:20:24 PM   
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Abominable tactics.


But not, alas, terribly surprising.

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:24:14 PM   
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If these questions had been raised, and the campaign rushed to clear this up as quick as possible, as they state in the article just linked to.  Why is it that they waited until after the Senator's vacation back to Hawaii to put the certificate in a position to be photographed and handled by an organization that has employed the Senator?  Could this have not been done in say June, July, or even the first week of August?

Doin my part to feed the tinfoil hat wearing crowd,
Thadius

Edited to add: especially since they must have received it back in 2007 for filing purposes. Just sayin

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:25:37 PM   
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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:43:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good evening Thadius,
 
I do not know the answer to that question.  But I can tell you that retrieving official documents can be a time consuming and difficult process.  (And I am not sure how much the differences exist state to state in retrieving birth certificates, death certificates, marriage certificates, etc.)
 
Hey, if it is a bureacracy is it not supposed to be easy for the citizens, right?
 
We were recently trying to obtain copies of my step-father's discharge papers circa WW2  from the VA archies in St. Louis.  But the building where those records were kept had a fire. 

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ORIGINAL: Thadius
Why is it that they waited until after the Senator's vacation back to Hawaii to put the certificate in a position to be photographed and handled by an organization that has employed the Senator?  Could this have not been done in say June, July, or even the first week of August?


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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:50:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Good evening Thadius,
 
I do not know the answer to that question.  But I can tell you that retrieving official documents can be a time consuming and difficult process.  (And I am not sure how much the differences exist state to state in retrieving birth certificates, death certificates, marriage certificates, etc.)
 
Hey, if it is a bureacracy is it not supposed to be easy for the citizens, right?
 
We were recently trying to obtain copies of my step-father's discharge papers circa WW2  from the VA archies in St. Louis.  But the building where those records were kept had a fire. 

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ORIGINAL: Thadius
Why is it that they waited until after the Senator's vacation back to Hawaii to put the certificate in a position to be photographed and handled by an organization that has employed the Senator?  Could this have not been done in say June, July, or even the first week of August?



I have had the uhm "pleasure" of dealing with those wonderful folks in St Louis... they are definitely not a model of expediancy.

However, even as the linked article states, the certificate would have had to been printed on or before Jun 6th of last year, no?  Otherwise, how did it get stamped and "signed as a certified copy".  Therefore, one would assume that the document was in the hands of Obama by at least Jan of this year, no?  I think there are laws about dating a certified document nunc pro tunc... I could be wrong.

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:55:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, you are just saying, we know, but why are you still speculating? The proof of Obama's citizenship is pretty overwhelming; he has a US passport. Or are you implying that the U.S. Department of State that vets applications isn't doing its job properly? http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 6:59:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hehe, not to be a smartass (well maybe just a bit of one), but was that passport issued before or after the new laws came on the scene?

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 7:02:26 PM   
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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 7:06:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Getting a U.S. Passport now takes longer than before all the new security laws came into effect.  Remember all the frustrated vacationers last summer?


How hard was it say 5 years ago?

Check your cmail.

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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 7:07:15 PM   
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RE: Where oh Where is Obamas BC? - 9/4/2008 7:10:14 PM   
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