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Racquelle -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 1:26:39 AM)

I can't say why anyone else is gay, but I like girls because girls have all the best pink parts.  I like boys too, but...well, boys just don't have the best pink parts.  Plus, boys have cooties.



seeksfemslave -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 1:35:27 AM)

I dont like to to see men being affectionate to one another . I dont see that as a phobia at all.
I have no desire to beat them up
I dont think what they do should be  illegal.
I just dont want to see it thats all.
Why do I think like that.

Dunno. Hope that helps.

ps In my younger days I was "approached" by "one of them" lol.
Needless to say I made my excuses and left. hehehehehe

pps I can appreciate male beauty but I have no desire to fiddle with it. OK?




Satyr6406 -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 2:29:12 AM)

I have often wondered (and written about) why the homosexual community settled on "Homophobia" as a word to describe people who didn't LIKE their behavior.
 
I will share a little bit, here ...
 
"Homo" is Greek. It means "same" as in "Homophone" (things that sound the same).
 
"Phobia" is also from the Greek;
  1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.

This "word" is actually a horribly constructed "word" made up of a prefix and a suffix. Nothing in the middle. No "meat" in the sandwich. So, we have, technically: "an abnormal or irrational fear of things that are the same". Anyone who truly suffered from this condition wouldn't necessarily be bothered by two men (or two ladies), but, if you put them in a room with 100 pairs of identical twins, they'd need 30 years of therapy! LOL!

Anyway, forgetting the linguistic quagmire, why the need to use "phobia"? Why does it have to be a "fear"? Are we not simply allowed to disLIKE things, anymore? I don't like deer meat. I don't suffer from "Venisinphobia".

Unfortunately, I think either the chosing of the word's construct was either VERY poorly thought out or, it was very carefully thought out in order to villify people who don't conform to a certain way of thinking.

As someone said, just before me: I don't LIKE certain behaviors. I don't hate the people. I don't fear the behavior. I dislike it. I don't like cross-stitching, either.



OneMoreWaste -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 4:05:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Satyr6406
This "word" is actually a horribly constructed "word" made up of a prefix and a suffix. Nothing in the middle. No "meat" in the sandwich. So, we have, technically: "an abnormal or irrational fear of things that are the same". Anyone who truly suffered from this condition wouldn't necessarily be bothered by two men (or two ladies), but, if you put them in a room with 100 pairs of identical twins, they'd need 30 years of therapy! LOL!


Thank you! The imprecision of that word irritates me as well.

Like any human behavior, there are a lot of possible explanations, and more than one are likely to coexist in any given individual. I agree that latent/repressed homosexual desires are often to blame. I think that some of it is just passed down from generation to generation with a cultural lynch-mob mentality, much like the hatred of any other group. In order to fit in with your own set, you should have traits X, Y, and Z, and in order to prove yourself, you should have MORE of them. So to Be A Man, you have to not only be attracted to women, but you should want to have sex with every one of them that you see. As a correlary, you should not only NOT be interested in having sex with another man, you should be physically ill at the very thought of it, and beat the shit out of anybody who even suggests that you might want to. Yay culture!

Oh, and there's the whole scared-of-being-fucked-in-the-ass thing [sm=excuseme.gif]



SilverMark -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 4:55:30 AM)

While I was growing up one of My good friends was always different, but grew to be a Big, Handsome Man with a secret....who happened to like 2 things....Fighting and other Men...damndest thing to see him one minute slightly effeminate next minute asking some guy if he had ever had his ass kicked by a "faggot"(his word not Mine)...
He was a very macho guy...He taught Me through our friendship that gay men wanted relationships and companionship...until he came out I always thought it was just a sexual issue...I was clueless. I used to get upset when gay men would hit on Me....I couldn't quite figure it out....Never thought  I would be attractive to a gay man because I WASN'T GAY!!!!....  Hughie taught me a lot of things about acceptance of others without hating them...broke My heart when he died from AIDS in 1992...
He was a good friend, a good person and one helluva' MAN....



corysub -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 4:55:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Satyr6406

I have often wondered (and written about) why the homosexual community settled on "Homophobia" as a word to describe people who didn't LIKE their behavior.
 
I will share a little bit, here ...
 
"Homo" is Greek. It means "same" as in "Homophone" (things that sound the same).
 
"Phobia" is also from the Greek;
  1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.



This "word" is actually a horribly constructed "word" made up of a prefix and a suffix. Nothing in the middle. No "meat" in the sandwich. So, we have, technically: "an abnormal or irrational fear of things that are the same". Anyone who truly suffered from this condition wouldn't necessarily be bothered by two men (or two ladies), but, if you put them in a room with 100 pairs of identical twins, they'd need 30 years of therapy! LOL!

Anyway, forgetting the linguistic quagmire, why the need to use "phobia"? Why does it have to be a "fear"? Are we not simply allowed to disLIKE things, anymore? I don't like deer meat. I don't suffer from "Venisinphobia".

Unfortunately, I think either the chosing of the word's construct was either VERY poorly thought out or, it was very carefully thought out in order to villify people who don't conform to a certain way of thinking.

As someone said, just before me: I don't LIKE certain behaviors. I don't hate the people. I don't fear the behavior. I dislike it. I don't like cross-stitching, either.


I think the way "homophobic" is broken down it does not make too much sense as was discussed.  HOWEVER,
the "meaning" of words is based on usage in the common culture and the Greeks kinda went bye bye well over
2,000 years ago.  We owe them a great deal in the construct of the english language, as we do to the Romans.

Today the word means a great deal more than the "homo"  "phobic" deconstruct.  It has come to suggest more than
"fear" of gays...as the Greek translation of its roots.  By the way...I wonder if the Greeks created the word since the Spartans, who were known for the homosexuality, were also known for the fearless fighting ability?  

Thought it might be interesting to look at some common dictionary explanations:

Merriam-Webster's Medical Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This
Main Entry: ho·mo·pho·bia
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'fO-bE-&
Function: noun
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discriminationagainst homosexuality or homosexuals —ho·mo·phobe /'hO-m&-"fOb/ noun —ho·mo·pho·bic /"hO-m&-'fO-bik/ adjective

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homophobia
noun
prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University
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I agree with the comments by others, and leave people to practice what ever they want to practice, from holding hands and singing  goombya under a tree, worship the God of Fire, or same sex relationships.  As long as they don't force their politics, religion or sexuality on me or my family.



Raechard -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 5:31:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
In Spain, Portugal, and the Basque country, but nowhere else. What's it got to do with it ?

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ORIGINAL: Level
Many, if not most, men would rather eat broken glass than be seen as "weak", and again, many men see homosexuals as just that, weak, and as an object of ridicule. So, they lash out, sometimes verbally, sometimes with their fists.

I was going back to this idea that Level proposed.

People in Northern Europe may not be so tactile but this should not be seen as insecurity or discomfort with their sexuality it's just the national approach to relationships garnered from history and isolation from other cultures who have different social interactions.
 
Men kissing one another on the cheek on the continent has no sexual association but in Northern Europe it does for some. No culture is wrong or right about how they see such gestures they are just different; from being isolated from one another.

So there is no real point in comparing the two in this context because that is effectively saying one culture is superior to the other and that is how we end up with no differences to celebrate.

I think you'll find homophobic people on the continent but I'm not about to say all these people are matadors, but that would be the logic from what I've read thus far[:D]
 



bipolarber -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 7:29:42 AM)

Well, I don't think were getting anywhere on the WHY of homophobia here... but we're all getting a pretty good idea of WHO is homophobic, so far...  LOL

I always get a chuckle out of people who resond to questions like this, saying things like:

"I'm not homophobic, but..."
"I just don't want to see two dudes kissing..."
"I just don't see how guys can expect me to do that to them/ be done that way by them..."
"I knew a gay guy once..."  (guess what, somewhere between 5 to10% [higher, if you include bisexuals like myself] of the world is gay... you know a lot more than you think...)




candystripper -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 7:35:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: beargonewild

It has been my experience that one valid reason for homophobia is because many straight men feel threatened by gay men. They fear we all want to have sex with them which isn't the case. Many straight men do not understand why or how a gay man is able to show and give affection to another man thus they fear what they don't understand. Quite often this fear translates into anger and/or hate which is then expressed in hate mongering, physical/emotional violence and perpetuating the myth and prejudice towards us who desire the affection and intimacy of another man.
   With some, they are repressing their own feelings towards another male and are fearful of admitting that attraction. So men are influenced by their peers into believing that gay men are perverts, sick, disgusting, etc so that mentality follows them throughout their adulthood and they sincerely believe that is true of us. (Excerpt)

beargonewild


I don't know where you folks do your drinking, but I've been in gay (mostly male) and lesbian (mostly women) bars and parties, and no matter what I did, I knew no one who was gay or lesbian was gonna f**k me.
 
The gay men don't want me because I'm not male..I presume the lesbian woman don't want me because I'm straight and not relationship material (plus likely to be somewhat lousy in bed).
 
Of all my friends whom I know for a fact wouldn't f**k me if I begged, it was gay and lesbian people.  I never had a moment's anxiety about it.  And I don't know any gay or lesbian person whose number one fantasy is to 'seduce' someone who's straight.  They all have pretty strong signals that they're gay or lesbian not only to attract others, but to keep straight people from hitting on them 'by accident'.  Especially members of the oppositie sex.
 
I've never understood this 'fear' in hetersexual men that some flamer was 'out to get them'.....when in fact the gay flamer wants a gay lover, not a straight one.
 
Just asking.
 
Level:  I cannot imagine where this perception of gay men as ''weak' comes from.  They've moved house for me, they've fixed my car, they'e protected me..they act towards me just as any loving male friend does..they just don't flirt with me.  They are no different to me than any other I wouln't f**k myself, like my married men friends.  Some things are off-limits, but they are just as po'ed if someone harms me.
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]



sirsholly -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 7:41:56 AM)

when i was in school (and it has been awhile) the thought was homophobia was secondary to latent repressed homosexuality



Level -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 7:43:37 AM)

Many see "gay" as near equivalent to "female", and "female" as "weak". You know, the old "you hit like a girl" kinda thing.
 
Silly, but there it is.
 
They don't see that strength doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how much one can bench press, and they don't seem to realize that there are gay men out there that can kick some serious ass.



candystripper -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 7:45:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I dont like to to see men being affectionate to one another . I dont see that as a phobia at all.
I have no desire to beat them up
I dont think what they do should be  illegal.
I just dont want to see it thats all.
Why do I think like that.

Dunno. Hope that helps.

ps In my younger days I was "approached" by "one of them" lol.
Needless to say I made my excuses and left. hehehehehe

pps I can appreciate male beauty but I have no desire to fiddle with it. OK?




Not singling anyone out, but wtf?  A law against 'public displays of affection' by gay men?  And not by lesbians?
 
Most of my gay friends are afraid to even hold hands in public...and they live pretty much all over the U.S, by now.  My lesbian friends don't even hestitate to gather in 'straight bars' and crowd up a corner, and make 'crude' remarks to one another that can be overheard.
 
To my knowledge, none of my friends who are gay or lesbian has ever been physically attacked; but two have had their jobs threatened; one lost his.  Nothing like this has ever happened to my lesbian friends.
 
So I can't help but ask...wht's up with hating on gay men and not on hating on lesbian women?
 
(Returning to my original premise...all Women are Women..but in some eyes, only some Men are Men.)
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]



candystripper -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 7:57:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

Many see "gay" as near equivalent to "female", and "female" as "weak". You know, the old "you hit like a girl" kinda thing.
 
Silly, but there it is.
 
They don't see that strength doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how much one can bench press, and they don't seem to realize that there are gay men out there that can kick some serious ass.


O, this is much too rich to let go by, LMAO.
 
I'll skip all the 'woman protecting her children' scenarios' and just go with hand to hand combat.
 
Come at me some dark night in an alley...and we'll see which one of lives...my girlfriends will be betting heavily on me.
 
Women...who've been in danger..realize they don't hve the sheer physical strength most men do...so we make up for it by doing anything....and I mean anything...to put the guy down, permenantly if possible.
 
If not, he's at least gonna look like he was in a fight with a bear...though he may put me down..I don't go meekly.
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]



sirsholly -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 8:02:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

I dont like to to see men being affectionate to one another . I dont see that as a phobia at all.





Not singling anyone out, but wtf?  A law against 'public displays of affection' by gay men?  And not by lesbians?
 



i get rather uncomfortable with public displays of affection (other than hand holding or a quick peck) with any couple...gay or strait.



sirsholly -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 8:03:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

Many see "gay" as near equivalent to "female", and "female" as "weak". You know, the old "you hit like a girl" kinda thing.
 
Silly, but there it is.
 
They don't see that strength doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how much one can bench press, and they don't seem to realize that there are gay men out there that can kick some serious ass.


O, this is much too rich to let go by, LMAO.
 
I'll skip all the 'woman protecting her children' scenarios' and just go with hand to hand combat.
 
Come at me some dark night in an alley...and we'll see which one of lives...my girlfriends will be betting heavily on me.
 
Women...who've been in danger..realize they don't hve the sheer physical strength most men do...so we make up for it by doing anything....and I mean anything...to put the guy down, permenantly if possible.
 
If not, he's at least gonna look like he was in a fight with a bear...though he may put me down..I don't go meekly.



i think you misunderstood Levels post



Lashra -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 8:08:50 AM)

Ignorance and fear causes homophobia. Religion for the most part, has made homosexuality to appear as something horrid and disgusting. Instead of it being a loving relationship just as valid and beautiful as a heterosexual one.

Homosexuals do not bother me at all. In fact I figure the more love that there is in the world the better off we will be as a species. I don't mind it when men are affectionate to one another in fact its a lovely thing and the same goes for women. I have heard others say they don't like seeing a "big hairy ass man" with another man, they'd rather see him with a "beautiful woman", rather selfish isn't it?

I think we as a species have a lot of evolving left to do.

~Lashra



Evility -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 8:39:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

Well, I don't think were getting anywhere on the WHY of homophobia here... but we're all getting a pretty good idea of WHO is homophobic, so far...  LOL

I always get a chuckle out of people who respond to questions like this, saying things like:

"I'm not homophobic, but..."
"I just don't want to see two dudes kissing..."
"I just don't see how guys can expect me to do that to them/ be done that way by them..."
"I knew a gay guy once..."  (guess what, somewhere between 5 to10% [higher, if you include bisexuals like myself] of the world is gay... you know a lot more than you think...)


This is the whole problem with the discussion of homophobia and the reason why the situation isn't likely to improve any time soon. The only appropriate response is "I love all gay men". Anything short of that is ridiculed as you have done above. There is no middle ground. It's all or nothing.



Level -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 8:42:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper

quote:

ORIGINAL: Level

Many see "gay" as near equivalent to "female", and "female" as "weak". You know, the old "you hit like a girl" kinda thing.
 
Silly, but there it is.
 
They don't see that strength doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how much one can bench press, and they don't seem to realize that there are gay men out there that can kick some serious ass.


O, this is much too rich to let go by, LMAO.
 
I'll skip all the 'woman protecting her children' scenarios' and just go with hand to hand combat.
 
Come at me some dark night in an alley...and we'll see which one of lives...my girlfriends will be betting heavily on me.
 
Women...who've been in danger..realize they don't hve the sheer physical strength most men do...so we make up for it by doing anything....and I mean anything...to put the guy down, permenantly if possible.
 
If not, he's at least gonna look like he was in a fight with a bear...though he may put me down..I don't go meekly.



i think you misunderstood Levels post



<<< is extremely misunderstood [X(]



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:10:45 AM)

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I've always been curious about what makes gay people gay.


the same thing that make people straight or bi....its called genetics.
this isnt some learned behavoir.  you dont suddenly say one day that your gay.

it may take a while to admit to one self and come out of the closet mostly due to fear of reaction from family and friends.

it took me 28 years to come out of my shell and admit that i am actually female.  low and behold...i find out i am biologically/physically female....after i did come out.
i only wish i did it in my teens...medical reasons i could not.



beargonewild -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:16:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou

I don't know, flaming gay men, make me ill, I don't want to be near them at all. Gay dudes that act sane, don't bother me. I don't think that makes me homophobic, but its the truth. Same with lesbians, really aggressive over the top lesbians, just get on my nerves, lesbians that don't act crazy are fine.


Personally I really don't care to be around flaming heterosexual men or women.Ponders if I may be heterophobic....nah.

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Two dudes open mouth kissing though, sorry, that will literally make me vomit. Not kidding, I don't know what exactly it is about passionate male on male kissing, but I'd rather watch two men eat shit out each others ass. (Not saying gay people eat shit, just the most extreme disgusting example I could think of).


btw....a straight couple trying to such each others lungs out turns my stomach too! Yea I can handle seeing them kiss each other on the cheek or a chaste peck on the lops but the full man on woman kissing and tongue wrestling is just gross
.
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But just the knowledge of someone being gay has zero effect on me, dudes passionately kissing weirds me out, a small kiss doesn't bother me. Gays fucking doesn't even weird me out, though I'd prefer not to see it, Gay men sucking cock doesn't weird me out, again don't want to see it, but hardcore kissing errrrrrr, I'd have to look away, and probably leave.


Well hellooooo......doncha know that m2m affection also includes kissing and hugging and more intimate stuff? Hell, ya mean I've been doing it wrong all these years?....well sonofabitch.

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However, I'm not a big fan of gonzo nuts kissing anyway, for heteros. So maybe I've just got some passionate kissing weirdness, that is multiplied by dudes doing it, which is not something you see often around here.
Anyway, I agree that passionate man on man kissing should not be done in public viewable areas ever or on television without warnings. Laws should be passed. [:)]



And while your at it, lets pass laws so we don't have to see a straight couple kissing and show any sort of public affection for us gay dudes to witness.

-so sayith Bear with acidic sarcasm-



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