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Lordandmaster -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:17:14 AM)

I agree with you that "homophobia" is a vague and imprecise term.  For one thing, the word they want has to mean "fear of homosexuals," but "homophobia" literally means "fear of what is the same" (and thus doesn't even make much sense).

However, there's a big difference between homophobia and simply disliking homosexual sex.  And there is such a thing as homophobia in this world, even if we don't like the particular word that has been chosen to denote it.  Homophobia is an irrational disgust of homosexuals--the kind of hatred that drives people to violence against homosexuals.  If you dislike homosexual sex but don't hate homosexuals for it, you're not a homophobe.

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ORIGINAL: Satyr6406

I have often wondered (and written about) why the homosexual community settled on "Homophobia" as a word to describe people who didn't LIKE their behavior.
 
I will share a little bit, here ...
 
"Homo" is Greek. It means "same" as in "Homophone" (things that sound the same).
 
"Phobia" is also from the Greek;
  1. A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it, despite the awareness and reassurance that it is not dangerous.

This "word" is actually a horribly constructed "word" made up of a prefix and a suffix. Nothing in the middle. No "meat" in the sandwich. So, we have, technically: "an abnormal or irrational fear of things that are the same". Anyone who truly suffered from this condition wouldn't necessarily be bothered by two men (or two ladies), but, if you put them in a room with 100 pairs of identical twins, they'd need 30 years of therapy! LOL!

Anyway, forgetting the linguistic quagmire, why the need to use "phobia"? Why does it have to be a "fear"? Are we not simply allowed to disLIKE things, anymore? I don't like deer meat. I don't suffer from "Venisinphobia".

Unfortunately, I think either the chosing of the word's construct was either VERY poorly thought out or, it was very carefully thought out in order to villify people who don't conform to a certain way of thinking.

As someone said, just before me: I don't LIKE certain behaviors. I don't hate the people. I don't fear the behavior. I dislike it. I don't like cross-stitching, either.



Raechard -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:22:11 AM)

Xenophobia isn’t really the fear of foreign cultures either, although that would be the literal meaning.
Who's to say when a culture is alien to them and thus foreign. People use words in flexible ways and looking for literal meanings is irrelevant the majority of the time to the discussion.



RealityLicks -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:28:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Racquelle

I can't say why anyone else is gay, but I like girls because girls have all the best pink parts.  I like boys too, but...well, boys just don't have the best pink parts.  Plus, boys have cooties.


Well, white girls have pink parts.  Black girls have brown parts. [:D]




beargonewild -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:31:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: candystripper

I don't know where you folks do your drinking, but I've been in gay (mostly male) and lesbian (mostly women) bars and parties, and no matter what I did, I knew no one who was gay or lesbian was gonna f**k me.
 
The gay men don't want me because I'm not male..I presume the lesbian woman don't want me because I'm straight and not relationship material (plus likely to be somewhat lousy in bed).
 
Of all my friends whom I know for a fact wouldn't f**k me if I begged, it was gay and lesbian people.  I never had a moment's anxiety about it.  And I don't know any gay or lesbian person whose number one fantasy is to 'seduce' someone who's straight.  They all have pretty strong signals that they're gay or lesbian not only to attract others, but to keep straight people from hitting on them 'by accident'.  Especially members of the oppositie sex.
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]


Hmmm let's see.....the last time I check, us folks drink in bars and the usual watering holes that you folk go to drink! Here's an idea, maybe the lesbians and gay men don't want you because they aren't attracted to you?



MontrealPhoenix -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:35:13 AM)

yes bear, and i heard that homosexuals even eat in our restaurants.....imagine that!



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:35:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MontrealPhoenix

yes bear, and i heard that homosexuals even eat in our restaurants.....imagine that!


and use the same public bathrooms at the same time your in them!!!



beargonewild -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:39:24 AM)

Damn eh Phoenix! We even become great chefs in the finest restaurants, or be well known fashion designers, hairdressers, construction workers, business owners too!
Heaven forbid, many are even famous actors/actresses!

end note - from what I am reading from many of these posts, many are taking the inappropriate actions of a smaller section and applying it to the entire gay community, which is completely false and inaccurate. This is akin to saying all men are wife abusers when it is only a small portion of the male population that physically abuse women. Maybe it's time we (figuratively speaking) stop assuming that the negative aspects apply to the the whole? We all know this is simply not true.



MontrealPhoenix -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:40:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: faerytattoodgirl

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ORIGINAL: MontrealPhoenix

yes bear, and i heard that homosexuals even eat in our restaurants.....imagine that!


and use the same public bathrooms at the same time your in them!!!

and yet i'm still hetero....imagine that....i guess we can iliminate casual contact as a cause of homosexuality



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:40:36 AM)

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Heaven forbid, many are even famous actors/actresses!


mmmm jodie foster...i always knew she was gay....



MontrealPhoenix -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:42:21 AM)

but, but, but i thought all gay men were hustlers and prostitutes....could it be they are just like us heteros only they love men instead of women?



beargonewild -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 9:55:47 AM)

Nah....only in our wildest fantasies!



MontrealPhoenix -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 10:36:48 AM)

But that means....they are *gasp* everywhere....



beargonewild -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 10:39:29 AM)

Ya and it's amazing how an estimated 10% of the population is able to create such a ruckus! 



OneMoreWaste -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 10:43:17 AM)

We just have to hope they don't discover the Internet... then there'll be no hiding from them! [sm=couch.gif]



MontrealPhoenix -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 10:43:48 AM)

*whispers* sssshhh careful bear there'll be talk of impending world domination by gay men....



faerytattoodgirl -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 10:44:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: OneMoreWaste

We just have to hope they don't discover the Internet... then there'll be no hiding from them! [sm=couch.gif]


yes and if you send us cmail you become gay instantly!!!! fear!!!!

INTERNET COOTIES!!!!!!



candystripper -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 10:51:23 AM)

bipolarbear, I should have responded to you sooner.  You said:

So tell me, Candy, why do you suppose women aren't as predisposed to this sort of insanity?

I think Woman are just as likely to form gangs and beat down people as anyone else.  We are just as capable of vioence and hatred, and though I don't think it's something to crow about, anyone who doesn't move to the other side of the street as a gang of teen aged girls moves towards them is as foolish as anyone who doesn't avoid gangs of teen aged boys.
 
I'd say the big difference between Men and Women when it comes to violence is that, given that we so often target Men, who generally have superior physical strength, Women are more vicious, more creative, without the boundaries Men are inclucated with on sporting fields; if it will maim or even kill, we'll do it without a moment's hesitation.  Women in violence do not have a 'squork' factor (Gee, that's so gross, I could never do that'); we only think of what's at hand...what will do the job.  Victims of male violence can usually point to an event -- 'it began at about 8pm when I turned a corner..'; victims of female violence usually have to point to a starting place -- 'I sure wish now I had not beat her sister that first time....'
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]



Raechard -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 10:58:26 AM)

or "I sure wish I hadn't had an affair with her sister."
or "I sure wish I'd cut the grass when she told me to."
or "Why didn't I realise her arse didn't look big in that."



candystripper -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 11:00:39 AM)

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But women do not have the propensity for violence in group settings that men have. (Excerpt.)


Ah, slaveboyforyou, a prison is hardly a Woman's natural setting.
 
Take a walk with me some night, in the 'rougher parts' of town....
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]



Level -> RE: What Causes Homophobia? (9/7/2008 11:02:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Raechard

or "I sure wish I hadn't had an affair with her sister."
or "I sure wish I'd cut the grass when she told me to."
or "Why didn't I realise her arse didn't look big in that."


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