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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 3:45:02 PM   
CalifChick


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Status: offline 		Roe vs. Wade is about the right to privacy, not about "failing to prevent an unwanted pregnancy and then murdering the child." 

You could make a better case if you gave up the inflammatory language.  Seriously.


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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 3:48:25 PM   
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i prefer women to be educated & accept the responsibility for their mistakes.



I am educated. 

I did take birth control pills, exactly as they were supposed to be taken.  He did use a condom.  I did get pregnant anyway.

My pregnancy was not a "mistake".  Some of my family members treated it as a "mistake".  I did not make an error.  I made a child. 

I prefer people who choose to judge others to use less inflammatory language, but we can't all have what we want.


Cali





Cali
i found myself pregnant at 17 and yes i took the pill.  i took precautions to prevent the pregnancy.  i chose to have sex at an early age with a irresponsible boy when neither of us was ready.  i gambled and i got pregnant, but it was not the taxpayer in that bed with me.  i did not expect them to pay for my mistake, my choice, my irresponsibility, my lack of maturity and or my gamble.

big government = big taxes

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 3:52:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		So basically what you are saying is your way is the only right way? I disagree completely those are your definitions. I as an american citizen a Woman do not want people like you to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body and given the choice and vote EVERY time will VOTE against any bill to ban abortion. Just because the US tries to ban abortion doesn't mean it will stop. There will still be doctors in a back rooms performing abortions. There will still be desperate little girls trying to kill that unborn child due to lack of information and choices. Banning it wont solve the problem. There will be more abandoned babies, more medical bills due to home botched abortions and if you think you are paying for abortions now (which in reality isn't really quite right) you for sure will be footing the bills later on when that same medicaid mama is in the hospital because she decided to take a hanger and shove it up her cooch to solve the problem.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 3:53:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh well, that makes much more sense. The Holy Spirit rings my Motorola all the time, chatty little bugger. Sucks at phone sex though.


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Getting cell phone messages from god?



Possible evidence that cell phones do cause brain damage?
 
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i think the cell phone messages they were referring to was from the Holy Spirit.  From my knowledge of pentecostal, they get filled with the Holy Spirit and it spreads to others when they speak of it or show it physically.  


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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 3:55:13 PM   
CalifChick


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Status: offline 		I didn't say anything about taxpayers.  So what was your mistake? Choosing to take birth control? Choosing to have sex, with precautions, when you weren't ready for a baby?  How much more educated can you get?  Where was your irresponsibility?

Your logic seriously fails me.  You say to educate, fine, you and I are both educated.  You and I both took precautions.  Yet you keep saying that an unplanned-for pregnancy is a MISTAKE.  That's the inflammatory language.  When people see your argument as irrational, they certainly won't take you seriously.  Your argument itself goes in a circle.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 3:56:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'll officially become pro-life when birth control is free to any woman who wants it, and when every baby born has a home to go to, and when we stop acting like it's only the woman's responsibility to raise a child.

let me know which candidate can make all that happen, and s/he will have my vote, no matter what religious views she espouses.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 3:57:11 PM   
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So basically what you are saying is your way is the only right way? I disagree completely those are your definitions. I as an american citizen a Woman do not want people like you to tell me what I can and cannot do with my body and given the choice and vote EVERY time will VOTE against any bill to ban abortion. Just because the US tries to ban abortion doesn't mean it will stop. There will still be doctors in a back rooms performing abortions. There will still be desperate little girls trying to kill that unborn child due to lack of information and choices. Banning it wont solve the problem. There will be more abandoned babies, more medical bills due to home botched abortions and if you think you are paying for abortions now (which in reality isn't really quite right) you for sure will be footing the bills later on when that same medicaid mama is in the hospital because she decided to take a hanger and shove it up her cooch to solve the problem.


Well said.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:01:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's my concern Owner59. A  blanket disregard for others who do not have the same support systems. Things happen in life. Not just unplanned babies, but loss of jobs, health issues. Republican politicians tend have this air of arrogance regarding peole with "issues" sink or swim mentallity. I personally find Palin to be a devisive and frightening human being who thrives on scare tactics and us against them diatribe. There was nothing in her so called "hot vp speech" that made any mention of peace or compassion ,it was all hawkish rhetoric and snarky comments about community service. Very disappointing from a woman who claims to be pro life. Exactly whose life is she for? People like her?

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		obviously killing is ok/fine/good job/legal under certain situations, but not ok in other situations.  that is what goes around in circles!

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:02:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Or you can pay for the food stamps, healthcare, and welfare for that same woman who didn't want a child, but was forced to have one and has now decided to treat that child like crap.. Where then child protective services does or doesn't step in and then sends takes that child away from the mother and now makes it a ward of the state.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:04:15 PM   
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i'll officially become pro-life when birth control is free to any woman who wants it, and when every baby born has a home to go to, and when we stop acting like it's only the woman's responsibility to raise a child.

let me know which candidate can make all that happen, and s/he will have my vote, no matter what religious views she espouses.



birth control is free to every woman that wants it.  just call your local health clinic/department.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:05:43 PM   
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I'd much rather my taxes go to taking care of a child and his/her mother than to continue financing this horrible senseless war at 10 billion a month. I'm certainly forced to do that. I'd be put in jail if I refused to finance this war.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:05:45 PM   
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Why not just end the argument as Senator Obama did; "This is above my pay-grade". This is the represented position of the leader many of you want and support. Exudes confidence doesn't it?  

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:07:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Let us not forget, that if they can ban abortion that abstinence only sex education will be locked in placed, and we all know how well that works out.   *Rolling eyes*

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:08:26 PM   
bestbabync


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Status: offline 		that is above my pay grade!.....LOL!!

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:08:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Killing is a crime, were you not aware of that? Sooo since I will not be nor will any other woman be going to prison for terminating a fetus, zygote, non-viable what ever you want to call it, then please use correct and less ignorant and self righteous language. Killing is what the Republicans do to people on death row, you know, government funded murder? See the difference? Sometimes a real crazy one comes along like the little fucker in the white house, and he likes to get 'em real young and with questionable IQ's.   

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obviously killing is ok/fine/good job/legal under certain situations, but not ok in other situations.  that is what goes around in circles!


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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:09:43 PM   
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As is to be expected of the pro-choice/pro-life debate, y'all are going in circles. Perhaps an agreement to disagree is in order?

Frankly, it's not a whole lot different than the Republican/Democratic debates on here!

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:15:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		In California maybe, but that definitely isn't the case in most states.  Planned Parenthood offers discounted pills, but a young teen in a low income family will be hard pressed to come up with the twenty bucks needed to cover it, and may be too scared to fill out the paperwork that would allow them the discount in the first place. 

This is a common question on Go Ask Alice.  For someone who's been faced such a challenging scenario yourself, and seems to have such strong views, I'm honestly surprised you didn't know this.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:25:27 PM   
bestbabync


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In California maybe, but that definitely isn't the case in most states.  Planned Parenthood offers discounted pills, but a young teen in a low income family will be hard pressed to come up with the twenty bucks needed to cover it, and may be too scared to fill out the paperwork that would allow them the discount in the first place. 

This is a common question on Go Ask Alice.  For someone who's been faced such a challenging scenario yourself, and seems to have such strong views, I'm honestly surprised you didn't know this.

Daddy's Ballerina, e



in my state a young girl can go to planned parenthood within her county health clinic and recieve birth control free after a complete physical exam which is also free.  unfortunately this was not offered when i was a teen.   

i know everyone here believes i am against women's rights, but i am not.  i believe in smaller government and lower taxes.  i, just like you, do not want uncle sam to go with me to my gyno/obgyn office!   i am tired of looking at my paycheck and seeing how much money is robbed from me!  when i hear real stories of women using the abortion clinic for birth control, i become infuriated.  in my line of work, i see this happening first hand. 

like ur candidate Obama stated, something has to be done about this!  big government is out of touch and putting a rubber stamp on it does not make it right.

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RE: Palins church. - 9/9/2008 4:26:42 PM   
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Getting cell phone messages from god?



Possible evidence that cell phones do cause brain damage?
 
Kim


i think the cell phone messages they were referring to was from the Holy Spirit.  From my knowledge of pentecostal, they get filled with the Holy Spirit and it spreads to others when they speak of it or show it physically.  


Is there a vaccine?

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