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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 8:38:05 AM

slaveluci

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Had it been Gov. Palin saying that same obvious thing she'd be labelled a book-burning Nazi

Not by me, she wouldn't have. It is FACT, not opinion, that libraries operate on public money. As liberal as any library may be, none of them buy items MARKETED as porn. I think any rational person can acknowledge and stipulate to that point. The problem comes in when people begin to take books NOT intended as pornographic but SEEN that way by a few and try to get them banned or restricted.

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Show me that list of the books she supposedly banned...

I never said anything about her or any "books she supposedly banned" so I'll leave that to the others participating in this thread who did.

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You say YOU have to decide what's appropriate, why wouldn't the mayor of a small town have at least a passing interest in how that decision is made

I don't recall saying anything about ME "deciding what's appropriate." I only decide what's appropriate for me to read. I have bought, catalogued and put out for use hundreds if not thousands of books that others can decide to read or not. I have NEVER attempted to decide what's "appropriate" for anyone else to read. I simply mentioned that items intended SOLELY as porn are not purchased with public monies.

luci

PS - I forgot to touch upon your statement about the mayor of a small town "having a passing interest." Yes, "a passing interest" is to be expected. The mayor should indeed be familiar with library policies. However, insinuating him/herself into the purchasing choices and deciding who should read what in the town should never occur. Attempting to intimidate the librarian into compliance is totally inappropriate. I'm NOT saying she did. I'm just saying in any case it shouldn't occur............

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 8:41:36 AM

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Mia,

Why did you swap links? Didn't the other one support your position?

The simple fact is no books were banned, no books were asked to be banned, and if there had been one would have to take the Mrs Emmons at her word that she would have contacted the ACLU.

Claiming she was fired for the topic has also been proven false, as every department head of the city was asked for a resignation during that same week. So trying to blame it on this particular topic, is a bit of a stretch even for the conspiracy theorists around here.

Know what I mean?

No, actually I don't know what you mean.

Every department head was asked for a resignation as a way of expressing loyalty?

The fact she even inquired about the possibility of banning books needs explaining, but this whole loyalty thing I've heard several times in this thread has me scratching my head.

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 8:44:11 AM

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Morning luci,

I would assume that there is some sort of "book challenge policy" at the libraries or in the municipalities that you work in? If that policy was being restructured, would it be fair to get an understanding of what the feelings and positions of the librarians were on censorship and procedures to be followed by said librarians if somebody wanted a book banned?

Looking for an inside answer,
Thadius

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 9:31:21 AM

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Wow, ANOTHER out of control thread!
I so love this place! :)

On the surface, this sounds like the Evil Repubs are trying to ban books.
But if the quoted articles are to be believed (oh geez, I'm about to defend Sarah Palin), we know the folowing:

1) The library was considering a change to the "book challenge" process.

2) Mayor-elect Sarah asked the head librarian what the process was all about.

3) When Mayor Sarah took office, she asked for the resignation of all the dept heads.

Opinion: It's long been my understanding that this is commonplace in public office. The new boss asks each of his/her minions for a resignation. Most are then filed (ie: not accepted - the minion keeps the job.). This is a way for a dept head to leave gracefully rather than be fired. Here in scandal-ridden Chicago we get new dept heads on almost a weekly basis. It's much better for everyone involved for the person to resign rather than to be humiliated by being fired.

4) It's seems the librarian did not wish to offer her resignation.

Opinion: Perhaps she felt it would have been accepted?
Opinion: Perhaps the conversation(s) about the book challenge policy was taken the wrong way by the librarian?

5) For whatever reason, Mayor Sarah fired the librarian.

Generally speaking, an employee can be terminated with no reason being given. Exceptions include union employees and right-to-work states.

6) After a public outcry, the librarian got her job back.

Did I miss anything?

Sadly, no real scandal, no real conspiracy. Not really much of anything. Just some every-day goings-on in small-town America.

Having said all that...

I absolutely detest conservative politics and in particular the neo-con stripe we've seen over the past decade.

This country was founded on one of the single-most liberal principals in history: that common folk have rights greater than those of a king. And that those people have the right to determine who will lead them. The founding fathers were so far ultra-left-wing in their thinking that we probably wouldn't even accept them today but for their position in history.

To be truly great once again, this country must return to the liberal roots, at least in the areas of open, honest government.

End of rant.
Shields up.

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(And if I missed and e's or t's, it's cuz I REALLY need a new keyboard :(

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 9:57:02 AM

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I`m surprised that anyone would spend so much time and energy researching and compiling the most generous versions of what happened.

What we know, will do.

She approached the library on three separate occasions to inquire about banning books.

The librarian said no.

Done.

There`s nothing else to discuss.

The "book list" is irrelevant.No news outfit has submitted the phony list.

It`s from an email,not a news source and means nothing,either way. And the firings don`t factor into this either.

She wanted to ban books.

No amount of logic bending or contortions of facts(known facts) can explain away her behavior.

I`m surprised that conservatives aren`t at least curious about this.

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 11:09:09 AM

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You claim that she wanted to ban books - which books did she want to ban.

If you have proof that she wanted to ban books you would certainly have to have proof of which books, specifically, that she wanted to ban.

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 11:33:30 AM

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"Erasmus - too humanist? Voltaire - too French? Copernicus - too science-y? Balzac - too French? Sartre - too French? Descartes - too French? Kant - who? Flaubert - too French? de Beauvoir - too liberated/too French? Hugo - too French? Larousse - too French? Locke - too liberal? Machiavelli - imprimatur! Mill - too liberal? Milton - a poet, probably gay? Rousseau - too liberal/too French?
Or maybe she just didn’t like Harry Potter. This blogger wants to know."

http://bsuryab.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/which-books-did-palin-want-to-ban/

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 11:39:53 AM

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Victor Hugo is WAAAAAAAAAAY too French!

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 11:41:06 AM

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"Erasmus - too humanist? Voltaire - too French? Copernicus - too science-y? Balzac - too French? Sartre - too French? Descartes - too French? Kant - who? Flaubert - too French? de Beauvoir - too liberated/too French? Hugo - too French? Larousse - too French? Locke - too liberal? Machiavelli - imprimatur! Mill - too liberal? Milton - a poet, probably gay? Rousseau - too liberal/too French?
Or maybe she just didn’t like Harry Potter. This blogger wants to know."

http://bsuryab.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/which-books-did-palin-want-to-ban/

Hi Kittin,

If this is part of your fact finding, I would suggest another path. The highlighted part of the quote shows that the claim is faulty at best, and a lie at worst. See the problem is that Potter wasn't even in print (none of them) at the time of the allegations. I know just a small detail.

Glad to see you taking an active part in the search for truth....

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 11:42:41 AM

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Which other authors do you think would disturb the conservative status quo, popeye?

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 11:44:53 AM

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Thadius, my man, you need to recognise humour when it's right in front of you - to me at least, it's quite obvious the passage I quoted was satire. Geeeesh.

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 12:13:34 PM

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So there weren't really any books banned, were there.

We find that the accusation was just an attempt at humor, after all this...

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 12:16:28 PM

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Sadly using a taser on a 10 year old is not unknown there was a case here in Florida not too long ago that followed on the heels of a 6 year old threatening a security guard with broken glass being tasered. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138488,00.html

Officers have been drunk on duty, arrested for DUI on duty, arrested for engaging in sex with prostitutes and many other things. There is a way to remove these officers from duty and they need to be followed. Please to remember police officers are still people and they also have rights which include proper investigation and TREATMENT if there is an alcohol problem, it can also include, suspension, pay docking, and many other things that remove them from interaction with the public. Sitting in an evidence locker or on guard detail is boring as all hell...but someone has to be assigned to do it, often those who are short timing, or disciplined.

I know very few who in the heat of an argument have not said something that could be construed as a threat. Hell master laughs every time I say "I Kill You" to him no matter how mad I am at him.

As mayor or governor, she is held to a higher standard and that includes following the guidelines and steps for the removal of an officer of the State, town or region. If she can't do it there, and this is part of the investigation she is already involved in..how the hell can we expect her to follow it while standing as 2nd to the most powerful officer of this country? Hell we have already had one VP apologized to by a person he shot for being in the way of where he was shooting, do we need another? I am sure her apologies will be heartfelt...if heard. Pitbulls and Hockey Moms aren't known for saying Sorry.

poenkitten

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 12:25:26 PM

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slaveluci,

Thank you for sharing the inside point of view.

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 12:26:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Thadius, my man, you need to recognise humour when it's right in front of you - to me at least, it's quite obvious the passage I quoted was satire. Geeeesh.

The way you presented it, does not lead to the assumption that it was meant as satire. Perhaps, I am becoming more skeptical, and losing touch with my dry humor, with the way things are presented over and over and over...

Especially when followed up with a later post...

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Which other authors do you think would disturb the conservative status quo, popeye?

The thing that comes to mind is that you believe, conservatives are not upset because the "book list" did not contain authors dear to them. Or it completely ignores the fact that some of us would be rather upset and making it known if there was any factual basis to believe that anybody (regardless of political leanings) was attempting to have books burned.

If I thought there was more to the "quote du jour" than has already been presented by the local newspapers and media at the time of the allegations that clearly prove the accusations to be false, I would be plastering it all over the place.

However as you have suggested elsewhere, I laugh off the serious things, and spew trivia to muddy the waters...

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 12:36:26 PM

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I think you missed out on the humour because you post so many serious links seriously, so it's understandable you project your posting habits on to what you read - it's to misinterpret people's intentions. It's obvious that's what happened here. No harm done.

So, who would you ban

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 12:47:59 PM

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So, who would you ban ?

I wouldn't ban anybody, I would just place a tax on the use of certain books... sort of like the sin tax on other vices.

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 4:13:45 PM

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Hee hee hee. Whenever republicans try to defend the indefensible, either by trying to confuse the issue or by claiming that liberals do it too, you know they have no real defense. And how could they? What Palin did is indefensible.

And when people keep trying to defend the indefensible just because Palin has a little (r) next to her name, it makes me question the validity of all their arguments, not just this one. If they are just carrying water for Palin/McCain now, how do I know they aren't doing it every time?

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 4:23:37 PM

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Hee hee hee. Whenever republicans try to defend the indefensible, either by trying to confuse the issue or by claiming that liberals do it too, you know they have no real defense. And how could they? What Palin did is indefensible.

And when people keep trying to defend the indefensible just because Palin has a little (r) next to her name, it makes me question the validity of all their arguments, not just this one. If they are just carrying water for Palin/McCain now, how do I know they aren't doing it every time?

What exactly did she do? Please provide specifics and proof.

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RE: Palins book banning - 9/11/2008 4:25:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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ORIGINAL: MistressNew

Hee hee hee. Whenever republicans try to defend the indefensible, either by trying to confuse the issue or by claiming that liberals do it too, you know they have no real defense. And how could they? What Palin did is indefensible.

And when people keep trying to defend the indefensible just because Palin has a little (r) next to her name, it makes me question the validity of all their arguments, not just this one. If they are just carrying water for Palin/McCain now, how do I know they aren't doing it every time?

What exactly did she do? Please provide specifics and proof.

Good illustration of what I was just saying, Thad!

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