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Vendaval -> Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/11/2008 12:46:57 PM)

This one is for the lovely ladies of CM, the October 2008 issue of Glamour magazine has interviews with both Senator Obama and Senator McCain along with commentary from some non-partisan groups.  The questions posed during the interview include ones submitted by readers.  You can also pick up the latest issue if you prefer to sit down and read the old-fashioned way; Rachel Bilson, Ali Larter and Diane Lane are on the cover together.
 
So check out where both candidates stand on the issues of women's reproductive rights, equal pay, health care, gas prices, global warming, and the Iraq War.
 
Remember to educate yourself and register to vote if you have not already done so.


http://www.glamour.com/magazine/2008/08/whos-your-guy

 



LaTigresse -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/11/2008 1:55:24 PM)

This is why I support Obama and am frustrated at some women getting all excited about Palin.

Just because Palin is female does not mean she has a belief system that parallels that of Hillary Clinton. It does not mean that her beliefs are even that of most women.

I would dearly love to see gender become a non issue with this election.



candystripper -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/11/2008 3:13:57 PM)

I agree with LaTigress.
 
I remember when Regan passed over many more qualified make and female candidates to put Sandra Day O'Connor's name up for the US Supreme Court because he felt he could count on her to vote against reproductive rights.  Not every woman is a friend to Womankind.  Personally I think Palin is smoke, and my only interest in her is what sort of President she'll make if McCain is elected and doesn't live out his first year in office.
 
candystripper  [sm=pole.gif]



Vendaval -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/11/2008 5:27:33 PM)

Well stated ladies.  A candidate being of a particular gender does not indicate that they share the same values, ideals and priorities as voters of that same gender.



patwi -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/11/2008 8:00:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Well stated ladies.  A candidate being of a particular gender does not indicate that they share the same values, ideals and priorities as voters of that same gender.


I completely agree, and I'm rather surprised that so many women are falling for the gender card. I'm rather irritated at women in general right now for acting like gullible sheep. "Oh! she's a woman. She's just like me! I'll vote for her now, even though I had hoped Hillary would be on the ticket. Sure it's another party, another platform, and different ideals but hey - she's got tits, just like me! "



MissSCD -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/11/2008 8:11:27 PM)

Women's issues are difficult.   I would have been more in favor of Hillary as a candidate because of her background in Health Care.   I respect her for that.
I do not respect Palin at all.
If I had a chef, a plane, and a nanny to take care of my children, then sure I could put my hair upon my head and lick McCain's ass.
Had McCain picked CondaLisa Rice, then I would respect her because of her service.
 
Regards, MissSCD



LaTigresse -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 6:44:56 AM)

Absolutely!

I still wouldn't have voted for McCain, but I would have respect for his choice.



kittinSol -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 6:53:40 AM)

Ven and the others, have you noticed that the women posters on the boards seem the least enthralled by Palin? Is it because we're an amazingly intelligent and educated bunch that won't fall for the first laundry detergent that's touted to us [8D] ?



LaTigresse -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 6:57:25 AM)

Or perhaps our gut instincts about women kick in much more quickly.



kittinSol -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 7:02:23 AM)

Too true: my sixth sense has been on red alert for days now [sm=alarm.gif] ...



LaTigresse -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 9:39:58 AM)

Oui, and mine is unbiased. I felt the same way about Edwards. Guess we all know where that career ended up.



kittinSol -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 9:41:39 AM)

There's no doubt, I am biased, I'm afraid [&o] .



kiwisub12 -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 9:48:41 AM)

One way or the other - we are going to have a person in the white house who is there because -not of their experience in politics or qualifications - but because of their gender or race.

I would be considered an Independent - Sarah Palin while a great woman, and probably as well qualified as Biden for the office of the vp, is there because she is a woman.  Senator Obama is there because he is black - tell me any other name in the democratic party with as little political experience in Washingtom as Obama that could have been backed for president, that is white and male.

And there are way more people who are going to vote of Obama because of his skin colour than will vote for Palin because of her genital arrangement.
Actually, i sometimes think that we as a country need to just suck it up , take our 4 years, and get this gender/race hurdle out of the way. Either way, there will be one less hurdle to jump come January.                   And who knows, maybe being a black/woman won't mean complete disaster for the country. [8|]



Vendaval -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 3:23:11 PM)

So CM ladies, what are your main issues to consider when examining a candidate's voting record, projects and plans?



MmeGigs -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 3:32:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse
I would dearly love to see gender become a non issue with this election.


I imagine that it will be a long, long time before that happens.

The sexist crapola this election cycle have been thoroughly depressing.  The way the Republicans are dealing with Palin is even more depressing, insisting that because she's a woman she needs a protective bubble.  Palin is a politically savvy and ambitious woman, and I guess I can't blame her for seizing on any advantage she can get, but she's kind of going for broke here.  If they play this card too often and too hard it will surely undermine her credibility as a leader and could have consequences for women running for office in the future - they may have more trouble getting voters to take them seriously.  If the McCain/Palin team loses, she's the perfect scapegoat - her womanly inadequacies (as evidenced by the fact that she needed to be protected) distracted the campaign's energy and made voters nervous about voting for the old dude.  

Then again, if this "Leave her alone! She's a girl and a MOMMY!" stuff helps get her into office, I have no doubt that she'll make the most of it.  She's extremely politically opportunistic and no shrinking violet - she's willing to go up against just about anyone, including her own party, when she feels she's in the right and it's politically advantageous.  That's not intended as a criticism - if you're going to be successful in politics these days, that's the way you've got to be.  While I don't care for her social conservatism, I think that for her, political pragmatism is an equally driving factor.

If Palin is successful, perhaps this "You can't hit girls" strategy will allow women to acheive critical mass in the political arena.  A lot of female potential candidates who have been turned off by all the overt and covert woman-bashing will suddenly have a pretty danged powerful way to combat it and just about anything else that their opponent might throw at them, if they're willing to compromise their feminist cred and put on a pouty face or let some big, strong man charge in and defend her honor.  Personally, I find that kind of thing pretty distasteful, but these are "ends justify the means" times, I guess.  If you've got political ambitions you have to be willing to use every tool in the toolbox.



popeye1250 -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 3:42:57 PM)

It's funny, the mainstream media has been pounding away at Sarah Palin for the last week.
Gee, you wouldn't even know that Joe ....whatever his name is even exists.



Vendaval -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 3:48:19 PM)

Please folks, lets stick to the issues and not get caught up so much on one particular politican in this thread. 



SoulPiercer -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 4:21:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

One way or the other - we are going to have a person in the white house who is there because -not of their experience in politics or qualifications - but because of their gender or race.

I would be considered an Independent - Sarah Palin while a great woman, and probably as well qualified as Biden for the office of the vp, is there because she is a woman.  Senator Obama is there because he is black - tell me any other name in the democratic party with as little political experience in Washingtom as Obama that could have been backed for president, that is white and male.

And there are way more people who are going to vote of Obama because of his skin colour than will vote for Palin because of her genital arrangement.
Actually, i sometimes think that we as a country need to just suck it up , take our 4 years, and get this gender/race hurdle out of the way. Either way, there will be one less hurdle to jump come January.                   And who knows, maybe being a black/woman won't mean complete disaster for the country. [8|]


Obama is the democratic candidate for President BECAUSE he is black? So all around the country, people were screaming - "Finally!! A black guy is running for President .. let's all vote for him!"

Obama is there because the people who voted for him equate this "experience" everyone is going on about with the problems in our government right now. "Experience". All that "experience" at doing the same thing over and over again. The people who voted for him are hoping for change and out all of the candidates, he did the best job hammering that message home.

I do agree that McCain picked Palin because she's a woman. The pick wasn't necessarily made because he expects to gain ALL women voters, he just wants the Hillary supporters who have gone on record saying they will not vote for Obama since he didn't pick Hillary as his VP.

I seriously doubt there are more people who will vote for Obama because of his race. In fact, I suspect we will see the highest number of democrats ever to vote republican in this election. I personally know several life long democrats who all said nearly the same thing:

I'm not racist or anything like that, but I'm going to vote republican because things really aren't all that bad.

Really?




Vendaval -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 4:28:42 PM)

OK then, issues in this Presidential race that are important to me are:
improving the economy and creating new jobs that cannot be out-sourced or sent off-shore, long term energy policy and environmental protection, women's reproductive rights and health care issues for the uninsured, especially those who work,  our rights to privacy and civil liberties that have been under constant attack from the current administration, foreign policy and trade. 
 
 



camille65 -> RE: Women's issues and the presidential candidates (9/12/2008 5:19:52 PM)

I found this to be scary, it is something that actually shocked me to read.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html

"The practice of charging rape victims has called into question Palin's stated commitment to women's issues, her judgment as an executive and her honesty about her record."


Womens issues are important to me, it just doesn't concern my immediate world because I am female but also the generations of women that come after me. They are a large part of how I view a candidate, someone who may end up with the power to drastically alter things for good or bad.

Its not the only thing I focus on but I have to feel confident that my rights as an American woman stay intact and infact I want them more secure.



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