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cloudboy -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 5:15:20 PM)
Its worth looking the other way on Palin deficiencies because her VP candidacy advances the cause of women.

Briena -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 7:42:53 PM)
I dont think you can advace the causes for women while stabbing them in the back. Forcing a rape victim to pay for her exam is like digging your finger in her open wound. "Oh you got raped? Well you shouldnt have worn that skirt, you were asking for it... Heres some salt to throw on that wound, you get to foot the bill since you wore that skimpy outfit!" In my opinion Palin is a liar and a disgrace to women. Just because she would be the first woman VP doesnt mean that we should 'over look' her faults. ESPECIALLY if her faults show a repeated lack in decision making skills, and show that her decisions could actually harm more women than help. If we get a woman elected into office, I want a woman who is strong, and who fights for whats right for everyone, not what benifits only themselves. Palin should be a role model to women in our country, if I had a daughter grow up to be like her I would know that I had failed as a parent.

HeavansKeeper -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/15/2008 8:07:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper I am sorry... Sarah Palin is, without doubt, the worst thing that can happen to America. She has little or no interest in economic matters, simply ignoring the huge American deficit. Her personal agenda is a witch hunt on civil rights and freedom, with a heavy desire to pass laws which enforce her style of parenting. Which works great. If McCain wins this election, I'm looking at Canadian real estate. If McCain dies, and she becomes office, I'm moving. Thank god for checks and balances. rant off I feel better now. Whew. Do you really mean that? I remember when Barbra was going to leave if Bush got elected....but she is still here. sigh It's a VERY hard decision for me to make. While I do have disgust for her political agenda, I know her power will be severely limited by a democratic congress and a Supreme Court that is not going to 180 Roe v. Wade, and other similarly important cases. I may be a bag of hot air, but I'll tell you one thing. I promise I won't be marked with an RFID chip because President Palin says "I think a mother should know where her children are at all times."

ominousdominus -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 2:57:02 PM)
That bitch is a cunt. lol Yes I am feeling very articulate today.......

kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 4:23:24 PM)
Love it when you talk dirty [8D] .

bipolarber -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 4:30:31 PM)
Not that there's anything wrong with bitches and cunts... (in the right context, of course.) But yeah, she seems the type to give bitches and cunts a bad name.

Aylee -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 6:07:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ...it's all very well saying that this Police chief wanted to charge the accused (note the fact that they can't be treated as rapists until after conviction) the price of providing evidence against them. However, how would that work in practice? No rape kit is used until the accused ponies up? That's not going to happen, and while i'm no constitutional scholar isn't there a fifth amendment issue here? i can see a system working where, if an accused is found guilty, then costs are recouped. But there was no budget to pay for the kits in the first place, which meant if a victim wanted this to be done they would have to pay for the thing themselves. Crass, penny pinching program, which clearly disadvantaged rape victims. Thadius, from my pov, this issue of charging the accused is a bit of a red herring. Did we learn NOTHING from OJ? If the woman is charged for her rape exam kit and the forensic exam, she now has a CIVIL suit against the person that she is accusing of these crimes. That is not double jepordy. The accused can be found guilty in civil court whether or not they are found guilty in criminal court, and the burden of proof is less. Rape exams are a medical procedure. Trooper Joe is not going to be able to do one. Just like if I was stabbed. I will be charged for the ambulance ride. Charged for the ER visit. Charged for any procedures performed. Charged for any hospital stay. Now, if they find the guy that stabbed me, I can sue in Civil court to recoup those costs. Yes, rape is horrible. Rape exams are not pleasant. The issue here is WHO should pay for them. The kits likely got put on the same type of bill as an ambulance ride would have. Or flight for life. Or search and rescue.

bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 7:15:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol PS: another thing: what would happen if victims had no health insurance? Probably a referral to these folks... http://www.state.ak.us/admin/vccb/ But with a rough average of two rapes per year in Wasilla (2000-2006 numbers), it may have never come up. yes you are exactly right TheHeretic. i am one of many advocates for victims of rape in my area. every state has a victims compensation act and a rape victims compensation act. no rape victim ever pays for their medical exam, rape kit etc.

bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 7:20:48 PM)
if you are ever a victim of crime, you can file for compensation through your states victim's compensation fund. every state has this, it is the law! if you as the victim cannot file for compensation because of death or serious injury, your family can file on your behalf even.

bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 7:26:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daes This seems to me a fairly simple matter. If you are sexually assaulted you should not be forced to pay more fees - being an uninsured young woman as it is I cant even imagine having to pay Lawyer fees and whatnot in addition to having to pay for these things. I dont think anyone should have to either, it can be a traumtic experience in itself without all the excess crap, particularly if it isnt necessary. rape victims do not have lawyer fees. their case is handled by the state district attorney/prosecutor. call ur local victim advocacy program they will fill u in

bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 7:31:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daes quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Begs the question though - on what basis from that agreed upon history, of no accomplishments, is he qualified to to anything but what his history indicates he is most qualified? It would indicate is is most qualified for what he does best; which is - nothing. Now if he were runing for that - he has my vote! Wouldnt it be better to start a thread Specifically on Obama's lack of experience than continuously trying to ignore the main point of the thread? You could actually have a good relevant discussion that way rather than indirectly encouraging a thread hijack. Just my opinion. the city of Wasilla nor the rape victim had to pay for the rape kit...did u not read TheHeretic's post earlier?

Aylee -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 7:31:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync if you are ever a victim of crime, you can file for compensation through your states victim's compensation fund. every state has this, it is the law! if you as the victim cannot file for compensation because of death or serious injury, your family can file on your behalf even. Yep. I would still rather sue in civil court.

bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 7:33:48 PM)
civil court could take months & years, meanwhile u would still owe that hospital bill. that is what victim's compensation act is all about. it protects victims from being weighed down with expenses that they would not have incurred otherwise. it is not the city or the city police departments responsibility to pay for the rape kit or any medical treatment given to the victims.

bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 7:45:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Aaah, public policy isn't always a pretty thing. Whoever finds these gems: thank you. "Despite denials by the Palin campaign, new evidence proves that as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Sarah Palin had a direct hand in imposing fees to pay for post-sexual assault medical exams conducted by the city to gather evidence. Palin's role is now confirmed by Wasilla budget documents available online. Under Sarah Palin's administration, Wasilla cut funds that had previously paid for the medical exams and began charging victims or their health insurers the $500 to $1200 fees." The beauty of this: "The city budget documents demonstrate Palin read and signed off on the new budget. A year later, alarmed Alaska lawmakers passed legislation outlawing the practice." Will Palin try to spin this one, and claim the restablishment of the old non-fee system as her own? Watch this space. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-alperinsheriff/sarah-palin-instituted-ra_b_125833.html PS: another thing: what would happen if victims had no health insurance? this thread is a joke. this is stating untrue facts by the leftist of the Dem party victim's compensation act protects victims from being weighed down with expenses that they would not have incurred otherwise. it is not the city or the city police departments responsibility to pay for the rape kit or any medical treatment given to the victims. http://www.state.ak.us/local/akpages/ADMIN/vccb/pdf/Application.pdf every state has this!

bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 8:09:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol What about rape kits? That's a real issue to me and to a lot of others, by the looks of things. If you don't like it, tough. you are guilty of misrepresenting fact. just what u have accused me & others of doing in previous threads. u should admit u r wrong, because u r.

ominousdominus -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 9:03:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Not that there's anything wrong with bitches and cunts... (in the right context, of course.) But yeah, she seems the type to give bitches and cunts a bad name. [:D]

ominousdominus -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 9:13:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Love it when you talk dirty [8D] . [sm=agree.gif]

bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 9:15:57 PM)
do u agree that this thread is a misrepresentation of fact?

DomKen -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 10:48:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync this thread is a joke. this is stating untrue facts by the leftist of the Dem party victim's compensation act protects victims from being weighed down with expenses that they would not have incurred otherwise. it is not the city or the city police departments responsibility to pay for the rape kit or any medical treatment given to the victims. http://www.state.ak.us/local/akpages/ADMIN/vccb/pdf/Application.pdf every state has this! Why are you claiming victim compensation will pay for rape exams and rape kits? The PDF you link to clearly states the Alaska program won't and from what I know neither will any other state. The Alaska victim compensation application spells out what costs you can get paid for. Evidence gathering occurs no where on the list. Only medical care for victim's injuries is covered. A rape exam and rape kit are not about treating injuries but about gathering evidence and therefore are not covered.

Hippiekinkster -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/17/2008 11:01:23 PM)
Can someone help me out here? DomKen touched on this. Is there any other felony for which the victim is required to pay for collecting evidence?

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