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gina0055 -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 7:12:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

The book banning thing is a low blow:

Here's how I understand it.

When she was mayorizing Wasilla, she went to the public library and asked about how to ban books. The librarian, a Ms. Mary Ellen Baker, said "You cannot." (Or something to that effect.)

Mary Ellen Baker was fired for "not cooperating with the mayor."

Mary Ellen Baker gets reinstated as a librarian.

There were no specific books mentioned, and no books ended up banned.
CBS + Palin and Book Banning

It's not a deal breaker for the woman, true - but it is something to consider when looking at what she values about freedom.




This is one specific case of her desire to ban books (it may have been brought up here already but I don't have time to wade through all the posts):

"In 1995, Palin, then a councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book "Daddy's Roommate" on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Chase, then on the council, and Stein, who was mayor at the time. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Palin read it.
"Sarah said she didn't need to read that stuff," recalled Chase, who has become disenchanted with Palin."

I didn't get whether she was successful or not in getting the book removed. 
But that kind of thinking scares the hell out of me. 

The link to the entire article:

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/28354169.html?page=4&c=y




gina0055 -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 7:13:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Its worth looking the other way on Palin deficiencies because her VP candidacy advances the cause of women.


You're being sarcastic, right?




Sanity -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 7:16:45 AM)


No, he's mocking the Democratic candidate through extremely dry sarcasm.




gina0055 -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 8:01:04 AM)

She is simply a smokescreen for McCain and all his cronies who hope to continue the disasterous policies of the last 8 years. 

Against abortion for rape victims, imposes fees on sexual assault victims, wants to "pray the gay away", wants to see "offensive" books banned...and then there's her policy on hunting wolves...   http://www.usnews.com/blogs/erbe/2008/9/8/sarah-palins-barbaric-wolf-slaughtering-policies.html.

Yeah, she certainly is a step forward.




Sanity -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 8:02:42 AM)


Yeah, I know - I've heard. Who hasn't ... she's a regular two-headed monster, huh. [8|]




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 8:31:04 AM)

Palin's an ordinary, a very ordinary person - she has no job being where she is. She has a smalltown mafia mentality that might work in Alaska (and boy, has she milked 'Alaska' and 'small town' for all it's worth): it's not what's needed in high office, well, not anymore anyway.




bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 8:38:19 AM)

as i posted before, part of my job is acting as an advocate for rape victims.  i do not work in wasilla, alaska, but i do know that this issue is a nationwide problem and over 8 years old!  back then almost all cities & states were working toward passing a compensation bill for all crime victims.  my state finally created 2 programs, 1 for victims of crime and the other solely for victims of rape.  both programs compensated the victims for ALL expenses and the rape victim program pays all medical expenses including rape kits.  my county has a SART (Sexual Assault Response Team) that works with the victim to cover the cost of the investigation/rape kit.  but this is only done if the victim reports the rape to the police.  so if she does not report the crime, she pays for her rape kit and all other medical expenses.  this stipulation, reporting the crime to the police, is in the state & federal bills.
 
  just as the nurse stated in the post below, these programs & sexual assault teams are all new!  wasilla, alaska is NOT the only city or police department to not pay for the rape kit.  there were more that did not pay, than did.  this was a decision made by city government.   the city i worked for back then passed the bill for the rape kit to the victim and had been doing so for years & years.

http://www.aardvarc.org/victim/compensation.shtml

http://www.undyingwill.com/victims-rights.html
 
 
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt

nurse in texas wrote on Sep 10, 2008 5:23 PM:
" You people on here throwing rocks at Palin and Wasilla DO KNOW that it has only been in the last few years that states have not charged for rape kits? Check VAMA 2005. To this day, there are MANY cities in MANY states that DO charge for rape kits, especially if the victim does not file a police statement.
Go check your own cities and states and see whats really going on, especially if your state is one of those who has let thousands of rape tests sit without being tested, before you go off on your high horses
 " this poster is correct.  most local government did NOT pay for rape kits or medical expenses.  i gather from articles written in 2000, Governor Palin followed the advice of the Wasilla Police Chief.  filing the cost of the rape kit on private insurance was found to be illegal, and that was the practice in many hospitals across the country.  i will admit, it does not seem fair but at the time all state & federal legislatures were in the process of filling this gap.  Governor Palin did not go against the grain by billing the taxpayer.  not ideal but it was normal procedure until something better came along.   
  


edited to take out an incomplete sentence




bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 8:48:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gina0055

quote:

ORIGINAL: HeavansKeeper

The book banning thing is a low blow:

Here's how I understand it.

When she was mayorizing Wasilla, she went to the public library and asked about how to ban books. The librarian, a Ms. Mary Ellen Baker, said "You cannot." (Or something to that effect.)

Mary Ellen Baker was fired for "not cooperating with the mayor."

Mary Ellen Baker gets reinstated as a librarian.

There were no specific books mentioned, and no books ended up banned.
CBS + Palin and Book Banning

It's not a deal breaker for the woman, true - but it is something to consider when looking at what she values about freedom.




This is one specific case of her desire to ban books (it may have been brought up here already but I don't have time to wade through all the posts):

"In 1995, Palin, then a councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book "Daddy's Roommate" on the shelves and that it did not belong there, according to Chase, then on the council, and Stein, who was mayor at the time. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Palin read it.
"Sarah said she didn't need to read that stuff," recalled Chase, who has become disenchanted with Palin."

I didn't get whether she was successful or not in getting the book removed. 
But that kind of thinking scares the hell out of me. 

The link to the entire article:

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/president/28354169.html?page=4&c=y



the book banning rumors have already been discredited.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 8:51:14 AM)

Palin's a book banning, moose murdering, anti choice, ignorant shrill voiced fanatic [:)] .




bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 9:37:06 AM)

u r desperate and it is showing big time




stef -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:02:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

the book banning rumors have already been discredited.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp

The Snopes article only says the bogus list of books that was floating around is false. 

It's still entirely true that she was inquiring about the process to ban books and no amount of bleating or obfuscation on your part will ever change that fact.

quote:

u r desperate and it is showing big time

What incredible irony.

~stef




bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:09:33 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDIsCBrtfxU


keep up the scare tatics

we love them




stef -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:14:57 AM)

What does that video have to do with Palin's book banning attempt or the fees passed on to sexual assault victims?

~stef




gina0055 -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:21:51 AM)

The article you provide is correct but you need to distinguish between the falsehood and the truth, which is that she did inquire about removing "offensive" books from the library.  Truth.





gina0055 -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:23:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: bestbabync

quote:

u r desperate and it is showing big time

What incredible irony.

~stef


What stef said [8|]




stef -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:23:46 AM)

It's pretty clear at this point that she's not interested in the truth.

~stef




bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:23:47 AM)

all the social issues that McCain/Palin stand for are being used as a scare tatic.  just as lady roth stated in the video, what is important is the economy, not abortion or in this case book banning.  voters need to vote for the party that they believe is better for the economy and much larger issues.  lady roth believes the republican ticket is the one to get the job done.




philosophy -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:25:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: bestbabync

keep up the scare tatics



..scare tactics like you suggesting Obama is a muslim? Hypocrite.




kittinSol -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:27:53 AM)

1. Abortion or censorship may not matter to you, but they matter a great deal to a lot of us;

2. What or who Lynn de Rothschild supports is her business; you don't have to emulate those people who have a voice in the news media.





bestbabync -> RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. (9/18/2008 10:28:30 AM)

i made that statemant and i should not have because you and others took it out of context when i was trying to make a point.

of course no matter what i post, i am wrong according to many here.

IMO 




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