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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 9:30:31 AM   
LaTigresse


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 9:31:33 AM   
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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 9:32:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just hopped in and gave him another leftie to demonize. Even though, if he had a clue he would know that my views are far from left overall.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 9:39:26 AM   
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Had you posted a credible link in the first place, the thread would have died before it could even get to this point. There is no story here, as has been well proved. Just another flash-in-the-pan false rumor, one more slime attack to divert us from the real issues that truly matter...

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 9:42:08 AM   
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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 9:43:20 AM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		What about rape kits? That's a real issue to me and to a lot of others, by the looks of things. If you don't like it, tough.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 9:45:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is that why you spent the last page or more attacking Sanity, and not discussing the issue?

Or is it just easier to avoid the points I brought up?

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 9:59:46 AM   
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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 10:06:15 AM   
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Is it an issue or not? Make up your mind, Thadius.


I raised my points on the "issue", I was awaiting any comment or discussion.  I have only seen bashing of a fellow poster.

Seeing as it is federal law now that states provide funding for the kits, the rest of it is an attempt to attack now Gov Palin for not interfering with the policy of her state at the time, and for what the police chief did in terms of the budget for his department.



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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 10:23:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can read into a story in different ways - this is what struck me:

"Palin, as mayor, fired police chief Irl Stambaugh and replaced him with Charlie Fannon, who with Palin's knowledge, slashed the budget for the exams and began charging the city's victims of sexual assault. The city budget documents demonstrate Palin read and signed off on the new budget. A year later, alarmed Alaska lawmakers passed legislation outlawing the practice."

You can say the whistle blower was a Democrat if you like - considering how Palin has apparently rammed in against her own party, I would have thought Alaskan Dems would be rather fond of her.

Just saying.


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 10:29:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

You can read into a story in different ways - this is what struck me:

"Palin, as mayor, fired police chief Irl Stambaugh and replaced him with Charlie Fannon, who with Palin's knowledge, slashed the budget for the exams and began charging the city's victims of sexual assault. The city budget documents demonstrate Palin read and signed off on the new budget. A year later, alarmed Alaska lawmakers passed legislation outlawing the practice."

You can say the whistle blower was a Democrat if you like - considering how Palin has apparently rammed in against her own party, I would have thought Alaskan Dems would be rather fond of her.

Just saying.



The part you are missing is that this was policy around the state.  Trying to blame Palin for the need for this legislation is indeed creative as far as attacks go.

Oh another point you miss in all of that... according to those same records, only 2 rapes occured during her time as mayor.  Hardly, a massive epidemic that would require $15k a year in the police budget.

Just sayin.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:03:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Oh another point you miss in all of that... according to those same records, only 2 rapes occured during her time as mayor.  Hardly, a massive epidemic that would require $15k a year in the police budget."

There are two things I don't understand here-
1)  Is rape not a serious crime?  Is $15k too large an amount to spend on attempting to combat it?  2 cases is 2 cases more than zero- and given that attitude, certainly leads to the question of how many rapes are going unreported?
2)  What exactly is the $15k going for?

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:04:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see obfuscation. Sexual assault encompasses other forms of violence beyond forced sexual intercourse: 'only two rapes' doesn't mean 'only two sexual assaults', although it could mean that. This is the state with the largest number of rapes though, so you'd think that rape kit funding would benefit the victim, not the public purse.

Under Mayor Palin, Wasilla City (*joke*) charged assault victims for the rape kits that were used to help them press charges. Whether Wasilla City's Police Department was alone in doing this or not doesn't justify it, and it's telling that it took for the lawmakers to change the situation. It's easy, really: this kind of stuff needs to be dug out, addressed and discussed. I'm sure you'll agree.

Edited for clarity.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:07:01 AM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		And maybe there was only two REPORTED rapes........because the rest couldn't afford the cost.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:08:37 AM   
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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:10:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		When this muddy water clears, the only thing that's plain to see about this story is that two Obama supporters in Alaska are screaming that Palin hates rape victims.

It's ridiculous.

It's like the old stories about how Reagan would sneak out of the White House at night and steal old people's dog food dinners, because he hated old people that much.

What hogwash.



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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:10:50 AM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Maybe it was just because he felt Nancy wasn't feeding him enough.......

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:12:17 AM   
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You think Nancy's teats were all dried up?

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Maybe it was just because he felt Nancy wasn't feeding him enough.......


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:18:54 AM   
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"Oh another point you miss in all of that... according to those same records, only 2 rapes occured during her time as mayor.  Hardly, a massive epidemic that would require $15k a year in the police budget."

There are two things I don't understand here-
1)  Is rape not a serious crime?  Is $15k too large an amount to spend on attempting to combat it?  2 cases is 2 cases more than zero- and given that attitude, certainly leads to the question of how many rapes are going unreported?
2)  What exactly is the $15k going for?

Sam 



The $15k was going for the kits to be purchased up front (estimates on costs per kit range from $500 to $1500 each), I do not know if they have an expiration date or if they go bad.  Rape is a serious issue and deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law (and in some cases even further than the law allows).  From my understanding the kits are only used to collect evidence (DNA) and help with prosecution, and they do have a valuable place in the toolkits of law enforcement, I don't think anybody is denying that fact.

The real confussion on this single attack seems to be that Palin instituted this policy, yet it was a statewide practice (it was also a practice followed around the nation until 2005 when the federal government passed a law requiring that STATES pay for these kits), and the state legislature changed the law in 2000.

I find this attack route to be much of the same, the inference is that Palin doesn't care about women's issues or that she is soft on crime.  You know the usual trying to use a hot button topic to score political points, and the only people that are suggesting this are those that she defeated in the race for Gov... A man that was responsible for enacting the statewide policy in the first place, requiring cities and towns to pay the bill for these kits, instead of the state financing them.

I don't expect folks to change their mind, I am simply pointing out what I see as a balanced look at the issue as it is presented.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 11:20:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I see obfuscation. Sexual assault encompasses other forms of violence beyond forced sexual intercourse: 'only two rapes' doesn't mean 'only two sexual assaults', although it could mean that. This is the state with the largest number of rapes though, so you'd think that rape kit funding would benefit the victim, not the public purse.

Under Mayor Palin, Wasilla City (*joke*) charged assault victims for the rape kits that were used to help them press charges. Whether Wasilla City's Police Department was alone in doing this or not doesn't justify it, and it's telling that it took for the lawmakers to change the situation. It's easy, really: this kind of stuff needs to be dug out, addressed and discussed. I'm sure you'll agree.

Edited for clarity.


479 rapes in 2006 statewide is hardly the state with the largest number of rapes.

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