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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 1:57:08 PM   
Thadius


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You know, Thadius, I wasn't going to say anything because, well, I'm actually quite polite at times, but your repeated whining on here that these are unjust accusations propagated by internet malice and online hysteria are a little much to read, in the light of your numerous threads and spurious claims against Obama started on these fora. A few examples:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2112290/mpage_1/key_obama/tm.htm#2112290
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2085620/mpage_2/key_obama/tm.htm#2085960
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2041056/mpage_1/key_obama/tm.htm#2041056

It goes on, and on, and on. Indeed, you seem to be quite a specialist at net search: how do you justifiy your current line of complaint with regards to this particular thread again? Does the end justifies the means in your case, but not in others' ?


Excuse me?  Did you even read the posts you just linked to?

Where have I posted anything about Obama that is false?  Or does it just tie your panties in a wad that your best shots at attacks on Gov Palin have been proven to be false?

I hate to break it to ya kittin, as much as you want your opinion is not going to change the outcome of this election.  You can spin and post whatever you wish, and when it comes down to it, you don't even get a say when it comes time to vote.

How do I justify my complaint with this current thread?  I think I made that fairly obvious in my posts in this thread.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your point of view and even like the fact that your are expressing your opinion.  Oh and how do you like to put it?  I think the words I am looking for are "You know how to use the block feature."


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 1:59:41 PM   
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The costs were covered by the operating budget, and not by a line item on it. 


...that would work. Do you have any proof that's what happened?


Like I said earlier, there is no proof either way, just statements from the "he said, she said" of both parties pundits.  I am still digging through the released documents from that small town.  If I find an answer, I will post it.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 2:02:40 PM   
kittinSol


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Status: offline 		I don't need to use that feature. You are missing the point: what is truth to you is arguable to others. What is truth today is arguable to you. You are complaining that something that has become common knowledge is untrue. Again: good luck with that.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 2:09:50 PM   
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I don't need to use that feature. You are missing the point: what is truth to you is arguable to others. What is truth today is arguable to you. You are complaining that something that has become common knowledge is untrue. Again: good luck with that.


Which part is common knowledge? That Palin hates women and wants to charge them for rape kits, and is completely out of touch with average Americans?

So you are suggesting that truth can change from day to day?  I am suggesting that folks on both sides of the political spectrum are presenting "truth" that is just a spin on actual facts or in some cases a complete fabrication of those facts.  How often have I said don't take my word for the things I present, but research them yourselves and come to your own conclusion?

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 2:35:40 PM   
Daes


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Status: offline 		This seems to me a fairly simple matter.

If you are sexually assaulted you should not be forced to pay more fees - being an uninsured young woman as it is I cant even imagine having to pay Lawyer fees and whatnot in addition to having to pay for these things. I dont think anyone should have to either, it can be a traumtic experience in itself without all the excess crap, particularly if it isnt necessary.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 2:46:01 PM   
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Good points. Another point that should be made is that since Senator Obama has no executive experience, he hasn't ever had to make tough decisions, tough budget decisions (like Governor Palin has) and so he isn't open to such criticism as we see here. He's done nothing... therefore there is nothing to pick to death, as with Governor Palin. The opposition can't even generate fake emails, fake lists of banned books...

He's had no time as mayor, no time as governor... nothing.


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Obviously this is a key component to distinguish the Republican from the Democratic ticket.

Know what this thread points out to me, who won't be voting for either of those choices? She has actually done more and taken a stance more often, sometimes against her Party, than the top of the ticket on the Democratic side.

Governor Palin actually has some legislative and management experience. What was it again that Senator Obama accomplished during his tenure in the IL legislature? Oh yeah - the most 'PRESENT' votes over the shortest period of time. A man who says he will depart from 'Party Politics' but never once voted against the party politics of Chicago's Mayor Daly or the Illinois Democratic Party machine. His 'Ethic's Bill' passed while in the Illinois senate, insured that his political backer; IL State Senator Emil Jones, was able to transfer in excess of $500k from his election funds ( http://capitalfax.blogspot.com/2008/08/sen-emil-jones-campaign-fund-half.html )into his own pocket. Mr. Jones is retiring, enjoying the benefit of his contributor paid retirement, and passing on this district to his son. 

Look - obviously no main stream media source will deliver this type of  information for you.

But really has anyone tried to look into anything of record that the Senator has done similarly to how they are now analyzing Governor Palin?

Has anyone else actually done any of their own research, especially regarding facts they may not like to know about whatever candidate they are now following as if he, or she, were a Messiah?


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 2:51:25 PM   
Daes


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Status: offline 		Apparently the Republicans are failing to find things that he's done that would be considered "Bad" =P  Otherwise I do think they would have already butchered him for it all over the media. You dont think theyre trying hard to dig dirt on him? Oh I wouldnt doubt it, I just think theyre having a harder time finding anything outside his lack of experience.

They cant find anything and resort to slander and whatnot.

Bringing up Barack Obama instead of researching counter arguments for Palin is ... fairly amusing btw.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 3:14:07 PM   
Sanity


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It's not that "...Republicans are failing to find things that he's done..."

He has done nothing, he's had no executive positions.

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Apparently the Republicans are failing to find things that he's done that would be considered "Bad" =P  Otherwise I do think they would have already butchered him for it all over the media. You dont think theyre trying hard to dig dirt on him? Oh I wouldnt doubt it, I just think theyre having a harder time finding anything outside his lack of experience.

They cant find anything and resort to slander and whatnot.

Bringing up Barack Obama instead of researching counter arguments for Palin is ... fairly amusing btw.


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 3:17:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama hasn't started a war, nor has he played much part in bringing down western civilisation as we know it, that's true, no executive experience there :-) .

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 3:18:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Thadius

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The costs were covered by the operating budget, and not by a line item on it. 


...that would work. Do you have any proof that's what happened?


Like I said earlier, there is no proof either way, just statements from the "he said, she said" of both parties pundits.  I am still digging through the released documents from that small town.  If I find an answer, I will post it.


...i appreciate that.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 3:35:00 PM   
Daes


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Status: offline 		Sanity - Thats my point exactly.  Republicans cant say anything about him outside his lack of experience.

Specifically, Obama hasnt done anything I consider to be Wrong to one degree or another.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 3:45:59 PM   
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Thats my point exactly. Hes done nothing XP

And, more specifically, he hasnt done anything I consider to be Wrong to one degree or another.


I concur with your point completely. Senator Obama has done absolutely nothing, not a single thing, not one accomplishment, nothing, nope - can't find one thing in his history that would give any indication of his abilities as a manager, accountant, negotiator, peacemaker, bridge-builder, peacemaker, deal maker, coalition builder, nothing at all. Never gone across political party lines, never changed any existing condition, never bettered anything, never. Never made a fortune, lost a fortune, bought a house with his own money, paid for tuition, bought his own book, subscribed to his initial religious training, and subsequently apparently never listened or at least understood any of the sermons from the church he considers himself a member and contributed $20,000.00. He doesn't judge people and considers them close friends even if they've been arrested and convicted of terrorism or fraud.

Begs the question though - on what basis from that agreed upon history, of no accomplishments, is he qualified to to anything but what his history indicates he is most qualified? It would indicate is is most qualified for what he does best; which is - nothing. Now if he were runing for that - he has my vote!

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 3:46:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I doubt that, I think people appreciate it.

Things are getting strange on the boards though.

I know for myself, your one of the few I still bother to read .

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 3:52:43 PM   
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Begs the question though - on what basis from that agreed upon history, of no accomplishments, is he qualified to to anything but what his history indicates he is most qualified? It would indicate is is most qualified for what he does best; which is - nothing. Now if he were runing for that - he has my vote!


Wouldnt it be better to start a thread Specifically on Obama's lack of experience than continuously trying to ignore the main point of the thread? You could actually have a good relevant discussion that way rather than indirectly encouraging a thread hijack. Just my opinion.


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 4:00:15 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Begs the question though - on what basis from that agreed upon history, of no accomplishments, is he qualified to to anything but what his history indicates he is most qualified? It would indicate is is most qualified for what he does best; which is - nothing. Now if he were runing for that - he has my vote!


Wouldnt it be better to start a thread Specifically on Obama's lack of experience than continuously trying to ignore the main point of the thread? You could actually have a good discussion that way. Just my opinion.

Why? You made a point and I was simply agreeing with your position before you changed it. No need to overstate the obvious, especially out of context.

The process has been discussing this, obviously major issue. Although I'm not supporting the ticket she is on, after many pages it seemed obvious that a similar accusation could not be made against Senator Obama. Whether that fact is received positively or negatively by the electorate remains to be seen.

You post concurred with the observation of no similar accomplishment, or any for that matter. I simply filled in some of the specifics.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 4:05:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Merc, I saw what just happened and I must say, it's not pretty. Daes said one thing, which is that Obama did nothing [wrong]. You knew what she meant, but you decided to take her words literally and to subvert them to fit your own discourse. It's not nice play.

PS: but same programming, as usual   .

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 4:12:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


It's not that "...Republicans are failing to find things that he's done..."

He has done nothing, he's had no executive positions.

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Apparently the Republicans are failing to find things that he's done that would be considered "Bad" =P  Otherwise I do think they would have already butchered him for it all over the media. You dont think theyre trying hard to dig dirt on him? Oh I wouldnt doubt it, I just think theyre having a harder time finding anything outside his lack of experience.

They cant find anything and resort to slander and whatnot.

Bringing up Barack Obama instead of researching counter arguments for Palin is ... fairly amusing btw.




"executive positions "?

Ahhmm.... President of Harvard Law Review....That`s an executive position.

What "executive positions" has McCain held?

Obama has been running for president longer than Palin was governor.

And a very successful,engaged and organized campaign at that.

We know what this woman is about.

You can`t make a silk purse,from a sow`s ear.Or is it lipstick on a pig?

Anyway,

I still can`t believe that McCain only spoke with this woman once or twice before picking her.I mean,come on.The guy should have had at least some sort of relationship w/ his VP pick.

He knew nothing about her.Her record,her politics,...nothing.

It`s getting out though,....and the fake outrage at the media/Palin as victim act is hitting bottom.People want to know who she is,without the McSpin.

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It`s not always easy to explain why her lack of foreign affairs knowledge is important or that she was clueless about the Bush doctrine,etc.

But this kind of stuff,.....hits people in the gut.There`s no explaining this away,not to normal people anyway.

To add insult to injury of a victim in this way,is inexcusable.

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 4:26:04 PM   
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Merc, I saw what just happened and I must say, it's not pretty. Daes said one thing, which is that Obama did nothing [wrong]. You knew what she meant, but you decided to take her words literally and to subvert them to fit your own discourse. It's not nice play.

PS: but same programming, as usual   .

I agree with you too - "it's not pretty" - accurate, but definitely NOT pretty.

KS - I'm confident in my ability to be wrong, but I am not "subversive". I quoted directly and in totality.

Again not quoting Daes but referencing another excellent point she raises; attacking my "subverting" her instead of researching and posting counter arguments for Senator Obama's accomplishments is "... fairly amusing btw".

However for future reference I will use your accurate point that he has not started a war. I'll also stipulate, from your post, he also hasn't "played much part in bringing down western civilization as we know it...no executive experience".

I think more and more people are coming up with similar conclusions regarding Senator Obama. Perhaps that's why he is doing so well in the polls. What do you think? It takes a farsighted voter to back someone who the best thing that can be said is; "He hasn't done anything but at least he hasn't fucked up anything either".

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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 4:37:31 PM   
Daes


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Status: offline 		Im just going to assume that Merc didnt see my correction which was made due to the fact that the debate about experience is more opinion-based then anything else and I was partially being sarcastic... I just Really dont want to get into a large debate on This particular thread because Id like to stay on topic.

So... kitten I dont think that was necessary.

If you keep with the same topic its easier to make a good argument, but once you bring in other elements (experience, war, whatever) you stray from the main point which was meant to bring awareness to that specific issue. Which, to me, this particular issue is pretty straightforward and makes Palin look pretty bad >.>

Anyways, time for Daes to head to work.


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RE: Palin imposed fees on sexual assault victims. - 9/15/2008 4:53:55 PM   
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