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meatcleaver -> RE: Pakistan border and US forces (9/18/2008 9:29:07 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
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I'm not after a daily kick at the US, I'm after getting at the warmongers and showing their arguments to be dangerous and irrational.
That's why you do it... you're "getting at the warmongers."
Why then don't you so vociferously attack the European allies who are also patrolling Afghanistan in your every other post? Or do you only despise American "war mongers." And does al-Qaeda figure in as war mongers in your book, since they made an attack on innocents on soil that was foreign to them?
You obviously don't read my posts. I said after 9/11, I like the rest of the world beleived the US had every right to go after the perptrators of that event and those that sheltered them. I also said the west should take on board the historical reasons why the west is so hated in that region of the world. It was Bush who changed the goalposts by invading Iraq on a lie and now, intstead of adopting a rational strategy is lashing out at allies because his flawed and irrational strategy in the region isn't working.
As for Britain in Iraq, I have said many times that Blair should be indicted for war crimes and that Britain should be held to account for its part in an illegal invasion. The other European countries have metaphorically just sent stretcher bearers to Afghanistan so Bush can say he's got an international alliance. Only Britain is in any way committed to the war on terror and that is because for some reason, Britain feels naked without its American allie.
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However, if you are talking about the terrorists that are fighting today, you could argue they are since they are fighting for a world they believe in which is every bit as real as Bush's and all the terrorists and Bush are doing, is reinforcing each other's view of the world.
But do you believe that they're fighting for freedom. Even in their own minds?
Yes, I do believe they in their own minds believe they are fighting for freedom to live like they want to.
Not what I call freedom but freedom is what someone defines freedom to be.
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Do you think that if the United States ceased to exist that al-Qaeda would turn into a peace-loving society overnight? Or would they continue to blow up Muslims at night clubs and Jews and other infidels...
No, that is not their nature but it is for them to find their own way and its not up to the west.
The reason for Palestinian terrorism is completely different to Al Qaeda terrorism. The Palestinians are genuinely fighting for freedom in the western sense of the term. The west's foreign policies are pushing different groups that happen to be muslim together into an unholy alliance. If the US had a balanced policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they would be more likely to solve the conflict and remove several terrorist groups out of the equation straight away. The Palestinians have often said they want peace but it had to be peace with justice to make it work.
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It only seems to be the Republicans that equate being anti-war as being anti-American. That might have something to do with their vision of America, not what America actually is.
What do you know about being an American? And what does that rant have to do with the topic or the subject.
Just having spent time in America, listening and reading about American politics, talking to American friends. The fact that there are American forces and installations in my country and my country is a war allie with the US and Bush pursuing a policy that is destabilizing the region and neighbouring regions gives me a right to be interested I think. If there wasn't any American troops and installations here or in the region, I suppose Americans right or left would be justified in telling me to mind my own business.
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