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undergroundsea -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 9:31:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HotMistress22
I tell him that during the cyber date I will need to see a Drivers License (pic and DL number.), Vehicle registration and a utility bill in their name. With this information (utility bill) I can confirm their name and where they live.


With all due respect, I would not be comfortable to provide that information to someone I was getting to know by internet. None of the reasons you list apply; I would simply find it odd and unwise to provide such information.

I am curious, are you willing to provide the same information in return to those from whom you ask of it?

Cheers,

Sea




undergroundsea -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 9:41:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HotMistress22
But most of all I allow enough time to pass to establish a 'trust' for each other.


If you have developed this trust for each other, why the need for the all the sensitive personal information?

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In fact, after they give me the information I warn them never to give this information out to anyone else because its just not a smart move in the world we live in.


I agree that giving such information is not a smart move. It seems you are asking them to take a step which is not a smart move. Is that not awkward? And for those who do comply, what conclusions can you draw about them?

Cheers,

Sea




HotMistress22 -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 10:13:57 AM)

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And for those who do comply, what conclusions can you draw about them?

They are long term minded, devoted, honest, sincere, have integrity and eager to please me.




undergroundsea -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 11:21:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HotMistress22
They are long term minded, devoted, honest, sincere, have integrity and eager to please me.


While those are good traits and traits you might wish to seek, I don't see how the act in question can allow each of those conclusions. In any case, if this approach is working for you, more power to you.

Cheers,

Sea




rookey -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 12:01:40 PM)

Q) Why are boys flakey?  (Whoops this starting to get real!  Bye!)

A) I suspect in many cases, it is simply fear of the unknown.  Or more precisely a lack of self-education, they say knowledge dispells fear.  Too many unknowns can scare people off. 

When people don't know what they are letting themselves in for, caution and not confidence tends to reign.





Untouched1282 -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 12:14:53 PM)

Perhaps he hid his profile? 




undergroundsea -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 12:46:26 PM)

Here are thoughts from a prior discussion with some edits:

I think poofing is a human phenomenon versus one associated with any gender or role. Upon reading the thread I have been reflecting on why it occurs and here are some ideas that come to mind.

I think how a relationship fares--whether it is just beginning or has been ongoing--depends on satisfaction one derives from the relationship weighed against the energy required by the relationship. I think this balance can be dynamic and sometimes poofing occurs when this balance goes south.

I have never stood someone up for a meeting and then disappeared. However, I have been part of a dialogue that subsided where I stopped writing. I don't remember ever completely ignoring emails in a running dialogue. I have put off writing a response--sometimes for lack of interest and sometimes for simply being amidst hectic times--and either the response completely fell off the radar or so much time passed that it seemed odd to then respond. Such an occurrence does not suggest a complete lack of interest but is somewhat indicative of the level of interest at the time, and what priority that level of interest creates in comparison to all that is more immediate.

I have also had scenarios where the the time to respond increases, or the response reduces to small talk or formality versus an engaging conversation--one party is still interested and the other party is not interested at the same level and is just being polite. This sometimes occurs when the interpersonal compatibility, BDSM compatibility, or the situational compatibility (the other person is attached, not local, seeking different things, etc) appears weak and not headed in any direction. I have been at each end of this situation.

I think sometimes poofing occurs when the level of interest appears to have become assymetrical between two people and one backs away for more space, or is turned off by overeagerness.

Sometimes poofing occurs because of change in circumstances; someone curious about BDSM needs to figure out what their deal is; or perhaps someone more compatible comes into the picture.

Sometimes poofing occurs because one does not have their act together and misses a meeting not deliberately but due to carelessness, and then is too embarrassed. I was once at the receiving end of such an occurrence when I went to meet a femdom couple to screen them on behalf of a femdom group in Houston.

I think sometimes poofing occurs because one is trying to force a relationship for the sake of a relationship wanted at the expense of suppressing a feeling that the compatibility is moderate or low. Eventually, the lack of compatibility overwhelms the want to force a relationship, which causes this person to retreat. On a related note, sometimes poofing might occur because oen gets caught up in the fantasy and proceeds forward towards the fantasy until something shakes them out of the fantasy mind set (doubts about traveling across the country to meet someone about whom not enough is known, it is not a good idea for some other reason, there is not enough compatibility, this situation is not a safe one, the idea of the fantasy is erotic but is it really safe, fear or conflict about realizing the fantasy, etc).

In any case, I think poofing is usually an action that delivers a message consciously or subconsciously about the degree of interest at least at that time, and the priority this interest creates with respect to other priorities (other suitors, general life matters). While compassionate, frank communication may be a better approach, I think poofing is the easier route out and is what occurs more frequently across people. Unfortunately, I think this is the common approach in our culture--I also see similar behavior in business relationships when a customer does not wish to proceed with a purchase.

On a related note about frequency of conversation, I think sometimes it can be healthy in the early stages of a courtship for each person to not immediately respond upon reading an email (it can easily become multiple messages a day!). Frequent messages back and forth may become odd if everything else needed for that frequency of communication is not yet there. Also, when two people have been responding immediately on an on-going basis and eventually demands on time begin to catch up, the sudden departure from that routine without discussion would feel odd. Some things taste better when cooked slowly, some have the right ingredients to use high heat.

So that's my take. When at the receiving end of poofing, I just shrug and continue with my life. If someone's interest level or the way she feels has changed, that is part of life. If she pulls back or disappears then to reappear, I see what the situation means to me and respond accordingly.

Cheers,

Sea




MsMillgrove -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 1:21:55 PM)

At first I tried to answer that question also--for each sub that flaked on me. Like many, I assumed that it takes "two to tango" so I looked for reasons, in hopes that I could change, could learn to avoid this outcome.

Now, I don't bother about it.  Maybe I do bear some responsbility, but whatever it is, I can't figure it out and reviewing these depressing results only bugs me more.  It's not helpful to dwell.  If I devote huge energy to finding a solution without success, I am going to give up on trying to find one.
My many nasty CM experiences drove my self-respect and confidence into the toilet.. until I got a grip on myself and just admit--that I failed to find out "why" are these boys flakes.  I have to let go of that failure or I will doom myself to the bigger disappointment of never finding the right person.

Also I realize that worrying about flaking can color your response to the next person in line and wreck what could be something special.

I keep a strong safety net around myself which doesn't involve the potential sub's cooperation. Most times they aren't even aware that security is present.

As long as I know I am safe and that I am doing my best to evaluate the sub's potential, being kind to them and gracious, I don't wonder anymore.. why they behave in such flakey, awful ways sometimes.

heh, I even like to delude myself by saying "sometimes" .. when it's more like "most of the time."  LOL




needDomme -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/20/2008 11:07:07 PM)

It sounds like you've found the best and only way to handle this situation. It's no different than vanilla. You can't read others' minds so just be yourself. There's either something there or not. No reason to waste energy. Just my humble opinion.

need




SnowRanger -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/22/2008 10:39:04 AM)

Hello A/all,

At the risk of sounding like a pie crust crust or croissant, I did a lot of flirting with the scene before I worked up enough gumption to take the plunge.  The fantasy of submission and the reality of it are so vastly different.  Trust is hard to give (at least for me it is).  Making my self vulnerable to another human being was terrifying.  The closer I got to making it happen, the more anxious I got.  Just working myself up to "stand in the door" was hard enough; taking that step into the sky....  [8-0]

I knew a Pro out in LA who double booked sessions with newbies as a matter of policy; so, it isn't just here on CM.

It took me a lot of nerve to do more than fantasize about my submissivness.  I can't be alone in that.  Perhaps you can have a better apreciation now for the men who do submit to you.

Respectfully,
Mike
SnowRanger




Venatrix -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/22/2008 10:44:00 AM)

Anyone who would give you all of that information without knowing you is a desperate idiot.  If you like playing with desperate idiots, have at it.




substeve528 -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/22/2008 5:58:19 PM)

I have to agree with Venatrix. If someone asked me to do that, I would run for the hills. Seriously. Well, more of a 'pound sand' type of comment. I would be better off Western Unioning $50 to you. It would be cheaper in the long run. Then I would have to shoot myself for being such an idiot.




HotMistress22 -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/22/2008 10:03:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

Anyone who would give you all of that information without knowing you is a desperate idiot.  If you like playing with desperate idiots, have at it.


Desperate possibly, idiots not likely.

Since I see that my posting is moving towards personal safety and away from Flakey boys (lightly put btw) I don’t want to hijack this thread so I have started a new thread in the appropriate forum.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2155851/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2155851

Here is a snippet of it:

A very dear friend of mine has a pretty good *measure* of one's level of trust of a prospective partner: If you would lend your ATM card (with PIN number) to this person (or your credit cards), you probably know them well enough to have a pretty high degree of trust in them. Surely, if you wouldn't trust someone with your money, you'd not trust them with your life.




Venatrix -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/22/2008 10:24:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HotMistress22


A very dear friend of mine has a pretty good *measure* of one's level of trust of a prospective partner: If you would lend your ATM card (with PIN number) to this person (or your credit cards), you probably know them well enough to have a pretty high degree of trust in them. Surely, if you wouldn't trust someone with your money, you'd not trust them with your life.



I couldn't agree more.  As long as BOTH parties do it.  If it's one-sided, the person giving out that information is still an idiot.




MsStarlett -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/23/2008 4:34:29 AM)

Sea, you never cease to amaze me.




MsStarlett -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/23/2008 4:45:49 AM)

As for HotMistress's tactics to 'verify everything'... There's no way I can condone that type of action.  I've been a victim of identity theft.  It really sucks.  I didn't loose a lot of money, but I sure as heck lost huge chunks of my life dealing with the legal system and getting all my ducks back in a row.  Still have some screwed up credit problems.  There is no way that giving up that much personal information to a stranger on the internet is a good idea. 

I'm not blasting you for wanting that info, I can see your point that you need to be careful, but that's a two way street.  Subs and males need to protect themselves just as much as anyone else. 




Sylverdawn -> RE: Boys are Flakey (9/23/2008 5:17:44 AM)

It like this for me. I believe what you tell me ... and then I verify if I am going to get involved. You tell me you work for NASA.. ok.. but at the point in time things get serious .. I want a verifible work number.. you tell me your single..ok.. then I want an invite to your home... you tell me that you have two MA's one in nuclear physics and the other in philosophy..ok.. but then Im going to want the university you did your work at and the year you graduated because Im going to check... I am not going to ask for your banking information, your social security number or your mothers maiden name...that is TMI as far as I am concerned..now in the LTR.. finances and so forth are important and something that I will be informed about.. but my money is my mine..and yours is yours until such time as a submissive under contract proves they are unable or unwilling to handle it appropriately.
SD




Sylverdawn -> RE: Boys are Flakey (10/13/2008 9:33:32 AM)

And, HE"S BACK... yes this morning in my cmail.. sits an email from mr. flakey... now what do I do..lol...




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Boys are Flakey (10/13/2008 9:44:17 AM)

Delete it!




PeonForHer -> RE: Boys are Flakey (10/13/2008 11:17:43 AM)

This rapidly expanding thread has tipped me finally to a conclusion - you Dommes really do have it harder, don't you?  In the world of BDSM, as in the vanilla world, men compete and women choose.  Here, though, there are (insert latest estimate) 90 Dommes to 1 sub.  I used to think we subs had the hard job - ninety times the competition we'd have if we aimed for a vanilla partner. 

Sure, as a sub you need a few hours' experience in order to spot the males acting as Dommes for a kick, the pro-Dommes pretending to be lifestyle, and those with partners who pretend to be single.  But I don't think there's much to that, really.  You Dommes, on the other hand, seem to need ten times the normal female-intuitive abilities in order to sort out the "trues" from the "flakes".  Hell, I wouldn't fancy that task.  I have the intuitive abilities of a retarded goldfish.

I must say, though: why this thread, this late in the day?  Why isn't there some well-established code on how to spot and deal with these sub flakes?  In the complete knowledge that I'm being almost unbelievably cheeky in doing so, I'm going to suggest that all you Dommes fjoeken talk to each other more than you do!  Maybe you should have online coffee mornings, or something. 




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