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lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 1:43:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: girlivy

Is there something perhaps you are learning about yourself, OR changing your view on due to this experience? Sorry for not fitting the crietria for answering in this section (as i look down)  But  in reading the entire 4 pages, I couldn't help but feel that perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here, for  personal growth in this situation your Sir is controlling.   In anycase, I do with you well and much happiness for years on end!
Cheers!


Yes, I have learned a lesson. I can not get my way and be ok. I can let go of ego gratification. I can choose how I react to things. Whats the point of being submissive if when there is something that you cant control, makes you upset or frustrated?




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 1:56:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

Hello Lusciousone.  Ah, post a question and have your integrity and relationship dragged through the mire.[;)]
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Is this common for a Master to equate cumming with losing control?

I don't know if it is common, but I do believe through talking to people it can be a factor - or rather not losing control but handing it over.  Which is why in our relationship nothing is based on an exchange of control - because to us it's not about losing control or gaining it - it is who is Master and who has the authority.
I can ask for his cum, but the ultimate decision as to whether I am allowed it is his.  But lots of relationships are based on control - that wouldn't work or us because control in such a context is a fantasy.
 
The end is that Darcy controls his own orgasms.  I can't do that for him.  I am merely a vessel(albeit a kick ass one)who is blessed if he decides to use his authority in our relationship to allow them to occur in me or on me.
 
the.dark.


Feh, I expected it. People project their own issues on others. Its never personal and always a projection based on ones own experiences. I dont let it bother me.

Yes, I agree with what you say. [&:]

If he has the authority and these are his decisions, I ask and if he says no, I live with it. I have the freedom to not have to be the one with authority. Abiding by someones decision is part and parcel of that. Now if his decisions were harming me, that would be one thing. having him available with an erection for hours on end because he hasnt cum has not harmed me in the least and has been rather fulfilling. [8D]




tsatske -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 2:22:31 AM)

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I had one of those too. Additionally, he wasn't vocal at all in bed. I understand that not everyone is, and that I'm louder than many, but to me it felt like I wasn't pleasing enough to him. We discussed it of course, but not a fun way to feel.


My last several Masters/partners/playmates before Master were impotent.

Master has the 'problem' being described here. He actually does not 'withhold' his cum from me, but His need to cum seems to be - oh, every week or so.
He does equate sex to love, more than other play - he does not have sex with my sisterslave who is not His property, for instance. (she has a training/mentouring collar, and will eventually find herself a Master)

Yes, this 'problem' means he can be hard for a long, long time. It means he can be hard a lot more often, and, if he's in the mood for it, a lot sooner.
You know, there is a Yoga practice of this, that people spend years learning to do. Maybe we should count ourselves lucky?

srrsly, though - women in our society are taught strange things about sex, and, yes, those things do bleed into our lifestyle, as well.

Women are taught sex is all about the woman. Since the man is a randy horndog anyway, always wanting sex and lucky to get it whenever and whereever he can, he should pretty much attend to her every need and demand, while taking what he gets. (no, i am not accusing anyone here of taking any attitude that i list.)
In a vanilla relationship, if a man wants sex, he suggests it to his partner, and if she doesn't 'feel like it', she says no. For him to complain about that is insensitive, makes him one focused, and - well, a randy horndog. If a woman wants sex and a man says no, it is 'damaging to her ego.'
the way this is related is this - if a woman can't cum very often, or at all, but tells her partner she finds their sex life satisfying, he is advised not to pressure her. Oh, sure, she is already doing it to herself, trying to figure out 'why' she only cums on such rare occasion, so they talk about trust, yadda yadda, but it's all about HER, not him - she's the one to orgasm or not, after all.
What if some men just naturally have a lot more sex, and a lot less orgasm? I have another friend/playmate who is like this, and, again, the constant hard on, always ready for sex seems to go with it.
If this is how he is built - how do you think HE feels (no, this is not aimed at any one of us, just a question in general) to have a partner who is completely focused on it? probably the way i'd feel if my partner asked me to bend myself in half in tantric sex positions i am obviously not built for, everytime we played, even if they said, 'oh, okay', each time i said, 'no, i don't think so....'.
Overall, how do you think this board would react if a man posted that his slave was not a squirter, and he HAD to make her one, because He couldn't feel adaquate unless she squirted every time? (again, not a comparrison to any poster's comments)
i think it is okay to beg for Masters cum. I do it myself, and sometimes get it - but not everytime. nor do i beg everytime - but i am not even saying that that is not okay. You can find out if that is cool or not by just asking, i would think.
But overall, i would take note at the number of men that have been mentioned here as existing and assure yourself that it isn't you, it may just be the way he is built.
And, as to why he wouldn't just say that, i think he has probably never identified it as true. After all, it doesn't get talked about much amongst men, i think, and it's not like there's a name for it - or, not a commonly used one that gets it talked about, if someone here does decide to post such a name. There is ESO, (extended sexual orgasm), which some men study years to achieve, of course, and that is the name I usually give it - these are just men who are natuarally ESO, without the years of study and practice.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 4:27:08 AM)

tsatske,

Thank you very much for your post. I find that this is not at all uncommon. Its nice to know this is not unusual.




girlivy -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 6:54:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


quote:

ORIGINAL: girlivy

Is there something perhaps you are learning about yourself, OR changing your view on due to this experience? Sorry for not fitting the crietria for answering in this section (as i look down)  But  in reading the entire 4 pages, I couldn't help but feel that perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here, for  personal growth in this situation your Sir is controlling.   In anycase, I do with you well and much happiness for years on end!
Cheers!


Yes, I have learned a lesson. I can not get my way and be ok. I can let go of ego gratification. I can choose how I react to things. Whats the point of being submissive if when there is something that you cant control, makes you upset or frustrated?

Something I have found Very useful when trying to let go of ego ( where I am at currently) is a book by Eckhart Tolle called " A New Earth"  Not that it is for everyone, but for myself it helps greatly, I seem to share most of his views.  Just love his calming voice too.   One thing for sure, is that the more learned about the ego, the more I can see when either myself or others are in that "ego feeding mode" Be well!
Cheers!                         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puC6YgsDyDY






lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 4:23:34 PM)

That was awesome girlivy. I think i will watch it often!




oceanwynds -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 7:53:30 PM)

Hi Lusciouslips
Sir controls when he cums or doesn't. One thing i noticed with Him is when he needs extra energy he will not cum. It gives him the energy to conquer work, which pleases him and i have a major smile on my face.

oceanwynds




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 8:15:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

Hi Lusciouslips
Sir controls when he cums or doesn't. One thing i noticed with Him is when he needs extra energy he will not cum. It gives him the energy to conquer work, which pleases him and i have a major smile on my face.

oceanwynds



He talks of "mental orgasms". he said he gets the same endorphin rush as me. he then has the energy to do the whole cuddle afterglow thing which he enjoys, as opposed to cumming and having the whole zap of energy needing to sleep thing.




CruelDesires -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 8:32:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

Hi Lusciouslips
Sir controls when he cums or doesn't. One thing i noticed with Him is when he needs extra energy he will not cum. It gives him the energy to conquer work, which pleases him and i have a major smile on my face.

oceanwynds


That is why coaches always tell athletes not to get any the night before a big game. So they have that extra energy boost the next day.

C-D 




DomDolf -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 8:37:06 PM)

It's likely the reason that me and people like me don't usually go to sleep after sex too. I think cumming has a "tryptophan" effect on people. lol

I wanted to address some people's comments concerning ED or other sexual problems as a possible "cause" for this "issue." - I believe premature ejaculation and stamina in this area can be controlled and is strongly influenced by a myriad of factors. I personally know that my "stamina" is directly influenced by how I feel about a person and how much I want to make the time with them last. Goals such as establishing my dominance and maintaining it may influence me also.

When masturbating I am there to get the job done, period. This lasts about ten minutes and directly shows my lack of passion or attempts to make the feelings last. I understand this is not the case with many women. Women usually like to be teased, brought to the edge, backed off and then re-teased. They want that tension built up so there are intense and if possible multiple orgasms. I find that when I concentrate on my partner and am determined to make her cum and cum often and intensely my focus is not about my physical satisfaction but more about my mental satisfaction. The mental lasts so much longer than the physical and has become the focus for me. It is a mutually gratifying situation for me and my chosen partner I hope, but above all else I am satisfied in that very needed, longer lasting, mental way. I feel that men that are not doing this have not "evolved" and are either not experienced, mentally capable or willing to make this connection and learn the great benefits of thinking this way. I think a lot of "mentally triggered" dominant men are this way.

I also want to clarify that I have the full capability of treating someone with all the glamor and respect of being my "cum dump" but only if I am not interested or am fully intending to make a point. Usually the point made by being that way is to make a deliberate attack on a person's selfishness or bad attitude. I call it a "fuck you bath".

Dolf




DomDolf -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 8:40:55 PM)

I remember my football coaches saying "keep your hands above the sheets, guys. We've got a tough game tomorrow." That and how I got my jersey number are two of my fondest locker room memories about football.

Dolf




lronitulstahp -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 8:47:18 PM)

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I remember my football coaches saying "keep your hands above the sheets, guys. We've got a tough game tomorrow."


Reason #32 why the penis envy theory is a bunch of B.S.




tsatske -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/25/2008 6:12:48 AM)

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That and how I got my jersey number are two of my fondest locker room memories about football.


Okay, I'll bite. what was your Jersey Number and how'd you get it? [8D]




MistressDolly -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/25/2008 7:08:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomDolf

I believe premature ejaculation and stamina in this area can be controlled and is strongly influenced by a myriad of factors. I personally know that my "stamina" is directly influenced by how I feel about a person and how much I want to make the time with them last.


Premature ejaculation is very difficult to deal with, but I agree with you that for some it can be controlled depending on the person (though for many, not so "easily" as you state).




MercTech -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/25/2008 7:52:36 AM)

Hmmm...
Sometimes you can just get into what is going on with the sub and your own orgasm just becomes irrelevant.

Stefan




Jeptha -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/25/2008 11:22:44 AM)

I've skimmed over most of the replies here, and lots of ideas presented apply, in varying degrees, to my situation.

It could be that a complex stew of factors like that are relevant for your Dom, too.

I've been influenced by the idea that a male dominant shouldn't be lead around by his dick, and stopped short of orgasm because of it a few times. But that generally only happens very early on in a relationship.

I've also just long gotten used to non-penetrative (non-penetrative with a penis, that is) sexual activity. At first for safer sex considerations, and later for birth control considerations.
I can have a lot of fun without sticking my dick in something. Sometimes I do want it to be all about the dick, but other times I really can become engrossed in sex or play and it won't even occur to me to take it out of my pants.

Also, in my experience as a guy, not just as a dominant, there are often a *lot* of issues about cum. In the past I've had two partners who informed me that they couldn't swallow cum without getting sick. They came to me with this as a pre-existing condition, and told me that before they'd ever tasted my cum.

Do I want to come in someone's mouth who's going to be made sick by it? Not really.

Imagine if your partner said, "I would love to eat your pussy, but after a certain point, I become literally physically repulsed."
Would you reply, "Well, let's go up until that point, then!"
Probably not.

Obviously, this is my own issue that I have to get my head around, but since I've met two, maybe your Dom has had to deal with this, or something like it, in the past.

Some guys just do not orgasm easily. Part of this may be due to conditioning to a certain kind of stimulus, as was previously mentioned, either to porn or to their own method of masturbating (...or both!)

When I was in the military, I bunked in the same room with other guys. I discovered adult arcades around the greater Tucson area, where I was stationed. At that time, you could go in a little video booth and watch video porn channels (or even old film reels at some places - yeah, I'm old) for a quarter a pop (no pun intended.) Besides being a surreal discovery, this was the only place I could go to masturbate in private.
Hence, I do have at least some affection for porn, though 99.9% of it is horrendous, and watching porn does sometimes take me "out of my head", as it were, and allow me to come more easily.

Ok - I've babbled way too long. These are just some of my experiences, as a guy, and as a dominant. It's been pleasant for me to recall some of them, and, who knows, it is possible that some of these factors could be factors in your Dom's life, as well.




givepain4 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/25/2008 12:51:31 PM)

its not common i would get to the bottom of it there may be a problem




DomDolf -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/25/2008 12:51:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tsatske

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That and how I got my jersey number are two of my fondest locker room memories about football.


Okay, I'll bite. what was your Jersey Number and how'd you get it? [8D]


I was in 8th grade when my coach called out each position and the name of the person that got it. I made defensive end and had a limited number of jerseys to select from. Each position can only be in a limited range of numbers. I was a first stringer so I got first choice in my group of possible numbers. I thumbed through all the jerseys and discovered one that was in better shape than all the others. Public schools re-uses jerseys year to year. Of course I chose that sparkling new one without real care of what number was on it. I was also not aware of any meaning of any number. My coach asked what number I selected. I told him and he said "you would!" It was the number 69. It wasn't until one of my friends gave me crap for the number and explained what it meant that I understood. But it was a great jersey, so I kept it. I got lots of smiles and pointing while wearing that number!





lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/25/2008 3:22:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: givepain4

its not common i would get to the bottom of it there may be a problem


Come again? How is being able to delay orgasm a problem?




impishlilhellcat -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/25/2008 6:01:17 PM)

I dated a guy on a college basketball team. His coach used to tell the guys all the time no sex! NO sex!




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