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Daes -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 12:26:56 PM)

I tend to down play how much I enjoy a man's cum on me.

I have a feeling it comes from my past relationship - I had a boyfriend for 3 1/2 years who rarely came at all, and it kinda made me wonder if something was wrong. So.. after we broke up and I got partners who didnt have such an issue, I was escatic. I love it on my stomach, on my breasts, on my cunt, in me, whatever. More the better. It just makes me feel Good.

I would just try explaining how important it is to you, and if you present your feelings on it appropriately, Im pretty sure hed consent.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 1:06:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomDolf

For me it is authority and control. Trust has to have already been earned to even get to where I am with them intimately. I think it's probably along that line. He hasn't told you he is not trusting you or having a hard time trusting or any semi-vague terminology that would reflect that, correct?

Dolf


correct. The point of no return for him emotionally is penetration.




tweedydaddy -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 3:03:22 PM)

The toughest thing about being a Dominant is keeping your penis under control. If I have to restrain an erection or not come during play, then I find it quite impossible to ejaculate later on, no matter what. I have to leave it until my system calms down.
Men can't always come on command, I can't.
Not all men view their sperm as sacred, I don't scent mark my females.
The important thing, the single most important thing about sex and domination is communication ASK HIM WHAT HE WANTS!!!  You may be surprised.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 3:19:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweedydaddy

The toughest thing about being a Dominant is keeping your penis under control. If I have to restrain an erection or not come during play, then I find it quite impossible to ejaculate later on, no matter what. I have to leave it until my system calms down.
Men can't always come on command, I can't.
Not all men view their sperm as sacred, I don't scent mark my females.
The important thing, the single most important thing about sex and domination is communication ASK HIM WHAT HE WANTS!!!  You may be surprised.


He will say what he always says. " I have everything I want because you are mine."




feralcat -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 7:29:48 PM)

persephonee I think you may have something here  re: subs having having their emotions shift after an orgasm. I find  "not cumming" is  a very common thing with sub men. It helps keep their head "high", and an orgasm is NOT the "goal" anymore.They are enjoying the tease,denial,suspense -"will I get to cum? what will She do to me? how long will I wait? "etc. Plus they feel they can be used for their Mistress' pleasure longer A self sacrifice perhaps? Well good for Me [;)]

Now why would this not appeal to a Dom? It was said in another post by a female sub that her Master said that he does not need to cum to get off. He enjoys playing with her,his orgasm is not his first thought. He cums when he wants to.

I think that kinky people tend  have a very different view about what works for them sexually. Orgasm is no longer the "goal" since there is SO much more to explore/do, and why have it end (or subside)with cumming (face it ,cumming takes a lot out of a guy ).

Even for Me,orgasm is not always needed,damn I get off on other things...the setting up the bondage,taking pictures that capture the moment, the creativity that flows during play,the denial for rook, the control over the situation.....damn it is endless.

Cumming is nice,but there is so much more to BDSM than just that.

Enjoy.






Sunnyfey -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 10:22:00 PM)

Master is like that. I was extreamly disappointed in myself the first few times we made love, because he dident get off. Felt like I failed him. So I asked about it, and he said "Well, I want you to be a happy healthy subby girl for me, you know this right? Well, It takes alot of concentration for me to get you to your release,,,, and by the time your finished Im a little tired, and want to just cuddle with you, maybe in a few months when our trust is deeper and such I'll feel ok giving that controll and concentration up to you"


Suffice it to say, hes comfortable now. Just be yourself, be as loving and pleaseing as he wants you to be, and just bide your time. You DO please him or he wouldent be around yes? If we are going to go with the whole "tweu" subby thing here.....
your the sub, hes the dom, what he says goes, and he says your pleaseing to/ your pretty/he loves you/your the best for him, so who are you to disagree with him and think that your not pleaseing/pretty/ect to him? Hows THAT for an ego trip?!

Good times Lips, you just keep up the good work and Im sure it will be fine.




MadRabbit -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 11:06:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey
Master is like that. I was extreamly disappointed in myself the first few times we made love, because he dident get off. Felt like I failed him. So I asked about it, and he said "Well, I want you to be a happy healthy subby girl for me, you know this right? Well, It takes alot of concentration for me to get you to your release,,,, and by the time your finished Im a little tired, and want to just cuddle with you, maybe in a few months when our trust is deeper and such I'll feel ok giving that controll and concentration up to you"


See, in my book, this would be a bit compliment and expression that I am really into you as opposed to a testament to your failure, because if I am not all that much into you and am not connecting with you in a good way, then I am not going to invest the concentration and control into the sex life.





monywildcat -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 11:29:01 PM)

I had a couple of play partners that would do this.  One, it was a "tantric" thing he stated, that he could easily achieve orgasm, but not the physical by-product that some of us gals love and crave.  [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m9.gif[/image] I am willing to bet that he will be more comfortable doing so, in his own timeframe. 




Sunnyfey -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/22/2008 11:33:28 PM)

After he explained it to me, I fell even more in love with him, he always gives those almost scary perfect answers. o.0

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey
Master is like that. I was extreamly disappointed in myself the first few times we made love, because he dident get off. Felt like I failed him. So I asked about it, and he said "Well, I want you to be a happy healthy subby girl for me, you know this right? Well, It takes alot of concentration for me to get you to your release,,,, and by the time your finished Im a little tired, and want to just cuddle with you, maybe in a few months when our trust is deeper and such I'll feel ok giving that controll and concentration up to you"


See, in my book, this would be a bit compliment and expression that I am really into you as opposed to a testament to your failure, because if I am not all that much into you and am not connecting with you in a good way, then I am not going to invest the concentration and control into the sex life.






lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 4:16:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey

After he explained it to me, I fell even more in love with him, he always gives those almost scary perfect answers. o.0

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey
Master is like that. I was extreamly disappointed in myself the first few times we made love, because he dident get off. Felt like I failed him. So I asked about it, and he said "Well, I want you to be a happy healthy subby girl for me, you know this right? Well, It takes alot of concentration for me to get you to your release,,,, and by the time your finished Im a little tired, and want to just cuddle with you, maybe in a few months when our trust is deeper and such I'll feel ok giving that controll and concentration up to you"


See, in my book, this would be a bit compliment and expression that I am really into you as opposed to a testament to your failure, because if I am not all that much into you and am not connecting with you in a good way, then I am not going to invest the concentration and control into the sex life.





I really have let the frustration go. I posted because I saw a post on a sub not cumming. So I finally posted because I wanted to see how common it was. I just talked to him about it again last night. He really does not like the enjoyment and sexual fulfillment to end. Will his cumming bring us closer together emotionally? No, because the love and the trust is already there mutually. Many things may make us feel more bonded over time. Although we already are quite bonded. I dont think cum is the route. That only feeds my ego.




daddysliloneds -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 4:23:40 AM)

i dated a man for a couple of years, where weekend visits and stays at each others house were quite the norm, as were the nightly phone calls; the entire time i kept thinking he had someone else on the side, and guess what, he did, it was me!  i was the other woman!

as for the other female he's around being his dog so you're not worried about that, well, you just never know with what people are into these days

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

maybe he has some disease he's not telling you about; you know, the contagious kind. or maybe you're 'the other woman' or maybe he has desensitized himself by jacking off too much?  or maybe, just maybe, he's blowing an invisible wad?


Rediclous. I speak with him nightly and have been to his house. So no, I am not the other woman. Unless of course you count his female samoyan puppy.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 4:44:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

i dated a man for a couple of years, where weekend visits and stays at each others house were quite the norm, as were the nightly phone calls; the entire time i kept thinking he had someone else on the side, and guess what, he did, it was me!  i was the other woman!

as for the other female he's around being his dog so you're not worried about that, well, you just never know with what people are into these days

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

maybe he has some disease he's not telling you about; you know, the contagious kind. or maybe you're 'the other woman' or maybe he has desensitized himself by jacking off too much?  or maybe, just maybe, he's blowing an invisible wad?


Rediclous. I speak with him nightly and have been to his house. So no, I am not the other woman. Unless of course you count his female samoyan puppy.



You're really tainted from your past. Its sad really. Your view that something must be wrong. Your leaps are astounding. So if I have stayed at his home, his work etc, he is still cheating? My instincts have never been wrong. Perhaps yours need some brushing up?


edited to add: I have no fear about being the other woman. Thats not what my post is about. I never posted thinking or asking for people to tell me what was wrong with him. Rather, how many Masters do this and why.




DMFParadox -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 5:37:45 AM)

Nah, he's not cheating.

Even if I'm tremendously attracted to a girl, I sometimes can't come. Hell, frequently, especially at the beginning of a relationship. Fortunately, I'm aware enough of what makes me tick and I have the brass balls to ask for what I need, and the deviousness to get it without asking for it; but, you know what? Sometimes, especially at first, if I'm with a willing girl and I need to perform, I will FAKE IT.

That's right, girl. I'm not a sub at ALL, but I'll pretend to cum. And I'm really good at it.

Also, I'm like TweedyDaddy up there, if I have to control myself at any point, it makes it nearly impossible for me to come for at least an hour.

But let's get to what works for me, and what might work for your Master. I need resistance. Not like rape, but like the usual back-and-forth a guy has with a girl that he has to convince to have sex with him; it has to feel like a victory somehow, like something taken, instead of something pushed on me. Have you tried that? It sounds like this guy, with his courtly gestures and his efforts to stand out from the crowd, has something to prove. I know I do, and if he's like me, then basically you gave it up too easy for him.

Girls will often do something called, 'token resistance'. Where you put up obstacles that are not only easy to bat aside, but are annoying enough in their own right that I as a man will want to object to them just based on the illogic that they represent. This has gotten me into trouble with girls I honestly didn't want in the first place, but when it came to cumming, vini vidi vici. I.E., I came even if they were a 2 bag girl. Whereas with exceptionally hot girls that basically throw themselves at me, I have a hard time with it, even though I'm not feeling insecure; they just don't feel like enough of a challenge.

The point being, perhaps it would behoove you to raise objections, to imply that you want sex and then deny you do for a silly reason. To drive your man insane by acting like you don't know what you want, give him enough clues to be sure he knows you want his cock, and need him to decide to do it for you. Girls do this all the time; I have many years of field-tested experience to back that statement up, it's only the rare instance where a woman will jump into bed with you without some kind of token resistance, when the relationship is young. Remember to keep your reasons easy to defeat, and irritatingly illogical while seemingly plausible, otherwise this strategy will fail badly. But it might be worth a shot.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 5:57:32 AM)

We did a play rape scene over the weekend. No I didn't put up a fuss becausee he got my hands behind my back and had a knife to my throat. But perhaps you are right. But That would be him so excited he loses control. I guess I have been happy for him to know he is the one in authority and control.




KatyLied -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 1:06:53 PM)

That sounds hot!




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 1:08:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

That sounds hot!


I'm a very lucky whore!! [:D]




girlivy -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 9:52:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19


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ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey

After he explained it to me, I fell even more in love with him, he always gives those almost scary perfect answers. o.0

quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sunnyfey
Master is like that. I was extreamly disappointed in myself the first few times we made love, because he dident get off. Felt like I failed him. So I asked about it, and he said "Well, I want you to be a happy healthy subby girl for me, you know this right? Well, It takes alot of concentration for me to get you to your release,,,, and by the time your finished Im a little tired, and want to just cuddle with you, maybe in a few months when our trust is deeper and such I'll feel ok giving that controll and concentration up to you"


See, in my book, this would be a bit compliment and expression that I am really into you as opposed to a testament to your failure, because if I am not all that much into you and am not connecting with you in a good way, then I am not going to invest the concentration and control into the sex life.





I really have let the frustration go. I posted because I saw a post on a sub not cumming. So I finally posted because I wanted to see how common it was. I just talked to him about it again last night. He really does not like the enjoyment and sexual fulfillment to end. Will his cumming bring us closer together emotionally? No, because the love and the trust is already there mutually. Many things may make us feel more bonded over time. Although we already are quite bonded. I dont think cum is the route. That only feeds my ego.

Is there something perhaps you are learning about yourself, OR changing your view on due to this experience? Sorry for not fitting the crietria for answering in this section (as i look down)  But  in reading the entire 4 pages, I couldn't help but feel that perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here, for  personal growth in this situation your Sir is controlling.   In anycase, I do with you well and much happiness for years on end!
Cheers!




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/23/2008 9:55:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
I really have let the frustration go.

Wait, back on page two you told me "I never said i was frustrated."

?????




RCdc -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 1:18:23 AM)

Hello Lusciousone.  Ah, post a question and have your integrity and relationship dragged through the mire.[;)]
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Is this common for a Master to equate cumming with losing control?

I don't know if it is common, but I do believe through talking to people it can be a factor - or rather not losing control but handing it over.  Which is why in our relationship nothing is based on an exchange of control - because to us it's not about losing control or gaining it - it is who is Master and who has the authority.
I can ask for his cum, but the ultimate decision as to whether I am allowed it is his.  But lots of relationships are based on control - that wouldn't work or us because control in such a context is a fantasy.
 
The end is that Darcy controls his own orgasms.  I can't do that for him.  I am merely a vessel(albeit a kick ass one)who is blessed if he decides to use his authority in our relationship to allow them to occur in me or on me.
 
the.dark.




lusciouslips19 -> RE: Masters who wont cum (9/24/2008 1:35:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19
I really have let the frustration go.

Wait, back on page two you told me "I never said i was frustrated."

?????


I stated many times that I was initially, but let it go. I am not the one in authority and dont make the decisions. It would not be very wise to spend all my time being frustrated. So I learned to just let go. But no, I never said I was frustrated in the present. You're nitpicking.




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