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wulfgarw -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 1:05:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

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She's already got a lawyer and judge (man hating Uber-feminists btw) lined up for the divorce to take everything, the bank accounts, the $50K SUV she 'must' have, the house, and even the dog, all before the wedding.  She alienates you from your friends.  Then she tries to burn the house down for the fire insurance.

Ummm... this isn't misogyny... how? Sorry, Wulf, but please re-read the above and see it any other way.

BTW, I wasn't the one with a lawyer when my marriage went *boom*, he was. 


The above situation happened to my dad, not once, but twice, with two different women, as well as being used a couple of times as a ticket to a green card and quick cash.  *he never did learn*   Just relaying what happened.  Like I said in my follow up post, I, personally, am not misgynist (sp?), and I apologize if it came across that way.  Point being, they planned a malicious divorce before planning the marriage.

I can see how it can me interpreted as misogyny.  I was tired, and my original intent was to show the OP that it can be worse.  But I still stand fast against the institution of marriage.  Many people, including men, use marriage as a ticket to a get rich quick, or just to jam someone up/ break them with malice aforethought.  I personally have never seen anything good come of marriage.




Aynne88 -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 1:10:33 PM)

RS,

Just a tiny hijack but the get half myth is well.. a myth. Most states are not community property states and in those states if you don't have kids with the spouse, you basically walk with whatever you acquired as non-marital assets, and assets acquired while married are equitably divvied up. P.S. Husbands withhold sex too, trust me on that one. [:-] That is why he no longer the bearer of that title. Hijack over. Oh, and I wholeheratedly agree on a prenup. Not all of us are bad you know.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

If you are my wife and I can afford to but don’t pay to feed you, clothe you or provide shelter, you can divorce on grounds of neglect and take half.  But if you are able to fuck me but neglect me anyway and I go elsewhere for sex, you file for divorce and get half.  When dating if a wench doesn’t hold a man's interest with sex he goes elsewhere.  Same should be true in marriage, god bless the prenuptial agreements! 

It’s just sex.  It’s no more work than cleaning a kitchen.  The real issue is POWER and control.  Sex being the woman’s last bastion of control because once married, she can withhold and send guys like the OP to the corner crying.

Even when the Domly and powerful  Aristotle Onassis bought himself a presidential piece of ass (Jacqueline Kennedy), their marriage contract (foreign) stated that she had to fuck him 10 times a year or the kids lost their rights to the inheritance. 

I am not saying the OP didn’t make any mistakes.  But some of the high horses I see people getting on claiming sex isn’t expected as part of the marital exchange sorta’ makes me laugh.  No right to have sex with the wife?  Well, maybe that is true here in the matriarchal United States, but on a power exchange forum?  Come on guys, step away from the ERA flags please.

As far as “stereotyping” and “marriage is bad” goes, well, lets just say that prenuptial agreements are good and leave it at that.




ChampagneMojito -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 2:33:07 PM)

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ResidentSadist -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 2:54:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
RS,
Just a tiny hijack but the get half myth is well.. a myth. Most states are not community property states and in those states if you don't have kids with the spouse, you basically walk with whatever you acquired as non-marital assets, and assets acquired while married are equitably divvied up. P.S. Husbands withhold sex too, trust me on that one.  That is why he no longer the bearer of that title. Hijack over. Oh, and I wholeheratedly agree on a prenup. Not all of us are bad you know.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
If you are my wife and I ………. Etc.

I happen to have first hand knowledge that not all of you or even most of you are bad.  My Xs are still a constructive part of my life (except that one from band camp).

Thanks for the community property info and I think we should all do as Aristotle did.  Prenups!




VivaciousSub -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 3:01:00 PM)

I'm all about prenups. I have assets that I need to protect and I would expect that my future husband would want to protect himself as well.

It's got nothing to do with lack of romance and everything to do with "what if someone gets hit by a bus?"




ResidentSadist -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 3:03:19 PM)

Yuppers... prenups are a two way street!




BlackPhx -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 5:42:16 PM)

OK I have scanned through or read every post on this thread (took a bit) and the one thing I am not seeing is an medical questions. EricPup You list your age as 35 but you don't list your wife's age. You are a touch overweight but without a picture or knowledge of her weight that too is up in the air.

The reason I mention these things is, there can be more than a few medical conditions that can affect sexual drive in a woman, just as they can in a man. Obesity can affect drive as can thyroid disorders, diabetes, early menopause (can happen as early as age 25), endometriosis, vaginal spasms, stress and depression just to name a few. A complete physical exam including GYN should be scheduled to rule out any underlying physical cause.

This doesn't mean that there are no problems in the marriage, there may well be including the fact that you two raced to the alter with the Rebound person. BUT depression over the death of a marrriage can affect new relationships, EVEN when the divorce was badly wanted by both and justified. No one likes to feel like they failed, and marriage is always entered into with the mind set that it is forever.

There are other things that can affect a females desire for her mate, including his gaining weight, change in his smell, hygene or appearance. Have you consider that there are things about you that may have changed as well?

One thing that I find interesting is your last post. You talk about "learned Helplessness" but at the same time what I am seeing is an exacting woman who you may have responded to as a submissive male. You profile yourself as a Submissive male, but you are not from what I can see acting in a submissive manner. Most submissives would strive to learn how "She" wants it done and practise until they had it down pat, instead you embraced that you were doing it wrong and left it to her to do. I am a SAM and a Switch and even I strive to do somethings the way my Master desires it done, it does help that my standards are tougher than his, but I don't cook things he doesn't like, I put his tools back in order and where they belong even when he doesn't, and his clothes are hung the way HE likes them, not me. I did tell him he was doing laundry wrong [:D] but he was tossing everything in with detergent and hoping... I sort, so now I do it all.

Instead of just sitting around Helpless, try learning to do things they way she likes them , even when it means you have to do it over and over until you get it right. It's real hard to be sexually interested after working a 60 hour week and having to come home to do everything as well while someone else just sits around watching.

Just a few thoughts..

poenkitten








Roselaure -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 7:26:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bluefireroses

People who divorce once, are more likely to fall back on divorce as an 'easy out' option.


And people who marry are much more likely to divorce than people who do not.




Venatrix -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/24/2008 7:50:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Roselaure

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ORIGINAL: bluefireroses

People who divorce once, are more likely to fall back on divorce as an 'easy out' option.


And people who marry are much more likely to divorce than people who do not.


But can you back that up with statistics?




tsatske -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/25/2008 5:33:50 AM)

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And people who marry are much more likely to divorce than people who do not.


Well, it is much more likely if you marry.... but people who don't marry can end up in divorce court, too. My sister did. She never married my oldest nephews BioDad (cause she never bothered to divorce jerk#1), but she ended up in divorce court anyway, fighting over things, bills, and the fact that he got her arrested for him stealing something. (unlike me, sis is a good girl. That was the only time she has ever been arrested. she didn't like it. She was wearing one of her favorite outfits at the time - she came home and threw it away. LOL.)

You see celebs end up in court without marriage fighting over the break up. Do you think it never, ever happens to gay people?

avoiding all contact with the oppisite sex and any potential partners would be the safest path.




ericpup -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/25/2008 7:58:05 AM)

I thank you all for your responses, and taking time out of your days to read, think, and post answers that have me thinking.  There have been some good points raised on here, things I never thought of.  I will try counseling either alone or with her.  If things work out for us, great, I'll be very happy.  If not, at least I can say that I tried.  Thanks again.




Emperor1956 -> RE: Not-so-happy Anniversary to me (9/25/2008 8:44:05 AM)

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tsatke:  Most vanilla women feel that housework is an anti-aphrodiasac. The more housework they do, the less they want sex. The less help they get, the less they want sex. They feel unappreicated. Sex becomes a chore - and, while RS and I just agreed that one does chores when one is married, there comes a point when a vanilla woman says, 'yep, i do chores. plenty of them. enough of them, already, in fact; i don't need another one.'


OH how untrue!   As RS and I (and other True Dominants) know, a truely submissive woman is deeply and constantly aroused by housework.   And they crave oral sex from a man all the time, except when their other deep craving to GIVE oral sex to a man takes over.  But once the guy pops off (usually about 74 seconds after the act begins -- something else truly submissive women know of and approve of) she swallows.  Then she "thank YOU Master" and gets right back to vaccuming the living room.

And she squirts.  Usually while fetching my slippers or building a fire.

E.




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