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Our system is no more complicated or bureaucratic than any other western country. 

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Thing is... nobody can make these assertions until they've confronted the Beast - the bureaucracy is crazy, and I bet you that it costs far, far more money than it's worth to run it.

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The fact is that illegal immigrants do some of the hardest lowest paid work in the nation 

Yeah and they drive wages down as a result.  Let's not forget that we don't know who any of these people are.  Violent criminals do come into the country.  If you don't believe that, take a good look at El Salvador.  The country has had to deal with all the MS-13 gangsters we've deported.  I am all for allowing people to come here for better opportunity, but they have to obey the law.  Our system is no more complicated or bureaucratic than any other western country. 

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The fact is that illegal immigrants do some of the hardest lowest paid work in the nation 

Yeah and they drive wages down as a result.  Let's not forget that we don't know who any of these people are.  Violent criminals do come into the country.  If you don't believe that, take a good look at El Salvador.  The country has had to deal with all the MS-13 gangsters we've deported.  I am all for allowing people to come here for better opportunity, but they have to obey the law.  Our system is no more complicated or bureaucratic than any other western country. 

Slaveboy I do believe you have drunk the kool-aid...put the cup down and slowly back away from the table....when was the last time an illegal immigrant took your job...the first time? anytime? Have your wages ever been driven down by the presence of an illegal and if so.....report the employer! Why is enforcement always focused on the low-end...arrest the one's benifiting the most when laws are broken,,,not the poor fools busting their ass's trying to feed a family but the factory owner trying to maximise profits by paying below market wages to illegals...

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Slaveboy I do believe you have drunk the kool-aid...put the cup down and slowly back away from the table....when was the last time an illegal immigrant took your job...the first time? anytime? Have your wages ever been driven down by the presence of an illegal and if so.....report the employer! Why is enforcement always focused on the low-end...arrest the one's benifiting the most when laws are broken,,,not the poor fools busting their ass's trying to feed a family but the factory owner trying to maximise profits by paying below market wages to illegals...

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Well I hate to be the one to break it to you rexrgisforidoni(sheesh that's a mouthful)but these illegals are here to stay.You can tighten up the borders,you can streamline the system...you can facillitate the legal emigration of immigrants.....The one thing you can not do is excise those already here,we do not have the capacity nor the political willpwer to root out and deport the millions of illegal immigrants presently in this country....a fucking police state could not accomplish what you and others are suggesting...so keep rejecting and protesting those amnesty plans...keep cheering each time some small town border sherrif runs a photo-op scooping up some unlucky illegal....just remember there are millions more,and they are all around you.

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Slaveboy I do believe you have drunk the kool-aid...put the cup down and slowly back away from the table....when was the last time an illegal immigrant took your job...the first time? anytime? Have your wages ever been driven down by the presence of an illegal and if so.....report the employer! Why is enforcement always focused on the low-end...arrest the one's benifiting the most when laws are broken,,,not the poor fools busting their ass's trying to feed a family but the factory owner trying to maximise profits by paying below market wages to illegals...

Mike, no they haven't taken my jobs.  But I'm not a blue collar worker; it's the reason I went to college.  My little brother is a carpenter, and you're damn skippy that he's had jobs taken from him by illegals.  He worked for a long time with a contractor that refused to hire illegals.  Time after time, they were underbid for jobs.  Oh, and they reported the SOBs all the time.  Nothing was ever done about it.  I think it is you that "has been drinking the Kool-Aid" if you don't understand that wages get driven down when the market is flooded with cheap labor.  I'm all for arresting the employers that break the law.  But as far as I'm concerned, illegals should be deported and never allowed to return.  You either follow the law or don't come here. 

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Slaveboy I do believe you have drunk the kool-aid...put the cup down and slowly back away from the table....when was the last time an illegal immigrant took your job...the first time? anytime? Have your wages ever been driven down by the presence of an illegal and if so.....report the employer! Why is enforcement always focused on the low-end...arrest the one's benifiting the most when laws are broken,,,not the poor fools busting their ass's trying to feed a family but the factory owner trying to maximise profits by paying below market wages to illegals...

Mike, no they haven't taken my jobs.  But I'm not a blue collar worker; it's the reason I went to college.  My little brother is a carpenter, and you're damn skippy that he's had jobs taken from him by illegals.  He worked for a long time with a contractor that refused to hire illegals.  Time after time, they were underbid for jobs.  Oh, and they reported the SOBs all the time.  Nothing was ever done about it.  I think it is you that "has been drinking the Kool-Aid" if you don't understand that wages get driven down when the market is flooded with cheap labor.  I'm all for arresting the employers that break the law.  But as far as I'm concerned, illegals should be deported and never allowed to return.  You either follow the law or don't come here. 

Okay my fellow kool-aid drinker,mind telling me how you suggest we do this.What draconian laws would you enact to help facillitate this massive round-up...and keep in mind the rest of us citizens do not like to be bothered by delays and security checkpoints.....this should be interesting.BTW you do realise once you round all these people up they are still entitled to due process before you shuffle them off to whence they came...that is going to overload the system,we will need to drastically expand the Dept of Immigration,might have to build some more holding facillities....heck we might have to raise some taxes(only for those that are here legally of course)well while we're at it we (the government) are going to need shit loads more money because under the heading of unintended consequences,,,no one realised these people pay taxes ,but don't file tax forms...no returns the government gets to keep that money.Well don't worry about it ...you the taxpayer can pony up....but we wll get rid of the stinking immigrants....wooopie!!!!!

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Deny them due process, they don't deserve the trial. Just put them on a damn bus and shut the gate.

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Okay my fellow kool-aid drinker,mind telling me how you suggest we do this.What draconian laws would you enact to help facillitate this massive round-up...and keep in mind the rest of us citizens do not like to be bothered by delays and security checkpoints.....this should be interesting.BTW you do realise once you round all these people up they are still entitled to due process before you shuffle them off to whence they came...that is going to overload the system,we will need to drastically expand the Dept of Immigration,might have to build some more holding facillities....heck we might have to raise some taxes(only for those that are here legally of course)well while we're at it we (the government) are going to need shit loads more money because under the heading of unintended consequences,,,no one realised these people pay taxes ,but don't file tax forms...no returns the government gets to keep that money.Well don't worry about it ...you the taxpayer can pony up....but we wll get rid of the stinking immigrants....wooopie!!!!!

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Okay my fellow kool-aid drinker,mind telling me how you suggest we do this.What draconian laws would you enact to help facillitate this massive round-up...and keep in mind the rest of us citizens do not like to be bothered by delays and security checkpoints.....this should be interesting.BTW you do realise once you round all these people up they are still entitled to due process before you shuffle them off to whence they came...that is going to overload the system,we will need to drastically expand the Dept of Immigration,might have to build some more holding facillities....heck we might have to raise some taxes(only for those that are here legally of course)well while we're at it we (the government) are going to need shit loads more money because under the heading of unintended consequences,,,no one realised these people pay taxes ,but don't file tax forms...no returns the government gets to keep that money.Well don't worry about it ...you the taxpayer can pony up....but we wll get rid of the stinking immigrants....wooopie!!!!!

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So slaveboy what part of Amnesty and path to citizenship confuse you?
That is and will always be the only sane and doable way to address your issues....and BTW the Rep.Candidate for President supported a path to citizenship amnesty program....right up till he needed the support of the Republican base and the fringe right.....all of a sudden to appeal to  them he was ready to lead the roundup....but feel free to keep beating this drum,I notice you have no suggestions for overcoming the obstacles I mentioned?