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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 7:20:48 AM

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All those "untrue master" give lots of "untrue slaves" something to whine and moan about. At least in my mind, anyone who uses the phrase "true master" has already labeled themselves.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 7:24:29 AM

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Has anyone met a dominant that when they said they were a "true master", they actually were?

not yet

let me know if you meet one

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 7:28:58 AM

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perhapes by definition a "true" master would never boast about it. After all, to be true anything is a fairly intangible thing - subject to many variables, and opinions.

I do have to be gentle with people with an online profile - its hard to show your intangibles with a keyboard (hehe - i do have a dirty mind

) - and if you want to distinguish yourself, you have to state what you feel - but it would be more effective to describe why you feel you are true anything. Perhapes its more of a lazy thing - not wanting to take the time to be more descriptive with what and who you are.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 7:34:04 AM

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I also agree that a "true master" would never boast that he is. I think my master is a true master but he would never say he is. He is very humble about who he is and doesnt project to be anything except himself. He is respectful, honest, ethical and just a "true person". He hates all of the men out there that call themselves "true masters". He doesnt believe that anyone should call themselves that. And he has told me to never call anyone else but him "master". Hell, I dont really call him master....lol He is and thats just the way it is. I dont have to call him that for us both to know he is my master. I prefer to call him 'Daddy'. He likes that too. :):):):)

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 8:19:04 AM

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When someone bellows"I AM MASTER BLAH BLAH A TRAINED MASTER OF THE OLD GUARD".

I always think who are they that trained you, who appointed you, how much training did you get and where is your certificate of authenticity? IF you are a karate master you have gone through years of training through stages of criteria and tests? Now if you are a 3rd degree black belt, Or whatever level to be considered a Master I may call you one without you owning me and I would have no problem with introducing you as such to others.

There is a big difference between a person claiming dominance over you(generic), to someone claiming to be a true master and to someone who offers up that they are a master trained of the old guard. Some people offer that last one up as a reference to what kind of BDSM they participate in. Some people claiming to be 'true' are only reacting to the inundating posts and profiles ranting on about all the fakes. And the ones claiming and pushing dominance over everyone or demanding certain favours or respect are the ones I avoid.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 8:32:06 AM

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What gets to me is the people that say, "I was born to be a Dom/me because I am good at giving orders."

That's domineering vs being dominant. So, many people confuse the two. They think you have to be an arrogant, self centered bully to be dominant. When in reality in just makes them an ass.

Master would never tolerate being called a "True Master". But I will say that he's a true Alpha personality. I always get a kick out of watching people defer to him, and they don't even realize it. I've seen grown vanilla adults open doors for him.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 8:33:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Maybe this thread needs to be in random stupidity...

I have seen more than one profile that they say they have umpteen years of experience and they are a "true Master". These profiles talk about pagentry of d's and someone wanting to be involved in that. I usually think if you say it you must not be it. Has anyone met a dominant that when they said they were a "true master", they actually were?

Depends. I try to be careful not to be too quick to make assumptions. Not that I won't eventually get around to making assumptions, but I like to at least do so with some modicum of knowledge about the person. However, there are some things that will pretty much put me off at first glance. On a CM profile, if someone has a whole laundry list of things they are expert in, it tends to put me off. If their profile is largely negative, demanding instant respect and stating that they wont' waste their time unlsess somone is 'real' I tend to think their issues outweigh my interest, and move on. Again, I try to balance my first impressionsn with common sense and ask myself, "is this person confident in themselves and attempting to sell themselves or is this really a blow-hard spewing so much narcissistic blarmey."

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 8:44:34 AM

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Another issue that leaves me scratching my head is someone new and seeking helping here on boards such as these...stating, she wants to be "slave" and I want to be the best "Master" but there is an obvious lack of knowledge on all things, or anything, dominant or submissive.

I think the fantasy and illusion is greater/out weigh the reality.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 8:49:45 AM

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You know, I think a lot of the 'real/fake' mentality might stem from a bit of insecurity on the part of those making such claims. I, for one, never joined this site with the intent of dominating all that I saw, commandeering or otherwise making any absurd demands.

I don't treat anyone any differently here than I would do in life. I mean, I'm not going to create some fantasy character which I can use to spew a load of fantastical BS in hopes that I'll either get a rise/laid... I can do either - with my own wife - by making use of my social skills.

It just seems that some (a blessed few) come off as know-it-all, True Lords and Masters/true doormat slaves. To me, this simply screams, "Hey, I have no life and no social skills so I'll cast my line here and maybe get a bite."

I don't tout my abilities or attributes; I let every person I meet find out for themselves that I am what I say, a husband, father and a dominant.

But then again, that's just me. As an aside - and probably a bit off-topic - I can read some of those TRUE MASTER profiles (the more absurd ones), and yet the voice in my head which does the reading sounds remarkably like Vizzini from Princess Bride... Go figure.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 8:59:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Maybe this thread needs to be in random stupidity...

I have seen more than one profile that they say they have umpteen years of experience and they are a "true Master". These profiles talk about pagentry of d's and someone wanting to be involved in that. I usually think if you say it you must not be it. Has anyone met a dominant that when they said they were a "true master", they actually were?

There is an old martial arts saying, "If he calls himself a master, he isn't." I'd apply that to the word "true" here.

I was introduced to a woman who had taken a name which started with the term "Ultimate Mistress." It was with great pleasure I responded with "Hi, I'm John Warren."

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 9:03:37 AM

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lol John!! *waves hi to you and Libby*

So.. did she totally deflate?

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 9:16:41 AM

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Does bein` a twue pervert count?

Wait...maybe thats a wanker...

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 9:22:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Maybe this thread needs to be in random stupidity...

I have seen more than one profile that they say they have umpteen years of experience and they are a "true Master". These profiles talk about pagentry of d's and someone wanting to be involved in that. I usually think if you say it you must not be it. Has anyone met a dominant that when they said they were a "true master", they actually were?

True Masters are kinda like True Grit....except that True Masters don't get in my pants.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 9:36:12 AM

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I love the "you may write Me". Oh, gee, really? How nice of you to give me permission. Should I be on my knees as I type?

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 9:42:02 AM

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A true Master can be male or female ,Is not self titled , is respected , is sought after and sought out by others , has no need to boast or brag as deeds and actions reflect more than mere words .Is a mentor , and educator , a caretaker and safe keeper of bdsm and their ways .I " true Master " would not claim to be a true Master , instead be humble ,observant , and wish to constantly better themselves be it from with in or their dynamic or community .True is also subjective to compatibility involving others ,a sensual Top and a pain slut may or may not make a good match yet it would not make them any less " true ".
JW> good point !gotta love the intro from the queen of Sheba kink .
A ' true" Master has skills , yet does not throw themselves around and belittles others who have less , they have honor and respect , decorum and grace .Many things can make up a Master or a person and if one lacks any aspect does it make them less true ?I think not , more so if they are trying for betterment within their own bdsm .There is not a Master's guide book to follow "thankfully " and we all seek different things, which is what is amazing about all of this , there is not a magic form to be filed out , there is no MBA of Masterly degree from the college of kink /bdsm . In the end none of us have achieved perfection yet there is compatibility with respect and admiration , perhaps some lust and longing thrown in there for good measure .Fun too dont forget fun If the Master is not fun then why are we doing any of it ..
then again i too am not perfect and who knows i could be wrong ..

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 10:08:45 AM

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-=The secret unequivocal list by which to measure a true Master=-
A true Master knows that “when in command / take charge. Then do your best.” (Norman Schwarzkopf)

A true Master knows that “Any punishment that does not correct, that can merely rouse rebellion in whoever has to endure it, is a piece of gratuitous infamy which makes those who impose it more guilty in the eyes of humanity, good sense and reason, nay a hundred times more guilty than the victim on whom the punishment is inflicted.” (Marquis De Sade)

A true Master makes mistakes and stands accountable for them. “The mark of a Master is their ability to recognize a mistake and fix it.” (My Mom)

A true Master knows “we can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” (Albert Einstein)

A true Master is “free because he knows that he alone is morally responsible for everything he does. (Robert A. Heinlein)

A true Master doesn’t obsessively micro manage. “Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.” (George Patton)

A true Master is “a competent and self-confident person incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.” (Robert A. Heinlein)

A true Master knows “a human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.” (Robert A. Heinlein)

A true Master knows “a foolish man tells a woman to stop talking, but a wise man tells her that her mouth is extremely beautiful when her lips are closed.” (unknown)
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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 10:17:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Maybe this thread needs to be in random stupidity...

I have seen more than one profile that they say they have umpteen years of experience and they are a "true Master". These profiles talk about pagentry of d's and someone wanting to be involved in that. I usually think if you say it you must not be it. Has anyone met a dominant that when they said they were a "true master", they actually were?

There is an old martial arts saying, "If he calls himself a master, he isn't." I'd apply that to the word "true" here.

I was introduced to a woman who had taken a name which started with the term "Ultimate Mistress." It was with great pleasure I responded with "Hi, I'm John Warren."

Yea, Its like when someone says, "trust me".

"Hi I'm John Warren", is WAY better than "I am a true Master".
Case in point that a Dominant man with humbleness is a true master.

(Pssst, your book just came. I'm giving it to my master but I am reading it first

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 10:22:06 AM

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well stated ..

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-=The secret unequivocal list by which to measure a true Master=-
A true Master knows that “when in command / take charge. Then do your best.” (Norman Schwarzkopf)

A true Master knows that “Any punishment that does not correct, that can merely rouse rebellion in whoever has to endure it, is a piece of gratuitous infamy which makes those who impose it more guilty in the eyes of humanity, good sense and reason, nay a hundred times more guilty than the victim on whom the punishment is inflicted.” (Marquis De Sade)

A true Master makes mistakes and stands accountable for them. “The mark of a Master is their ability to recognize a mistake and fix it.” (My Mom)

A true Master knows “we can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” (Albert Einstein)

A true Master is “free because he knows that he alone is morally responsible for everything he does. (Robert A. Heinlein)

A true Master doesn’t obsessively micro manage. “Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.” (George Patton)

A true Master is “a competent and self-confident person incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.” (Robert A. Heinlein)

A true Master knows “a human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.” (Robert A. Heinlein)

A true Master knows “a foolish man tells a woman to stop talking, but a wise man tells her that her mouth is extremely beautiful when her lips are closed.” (unknown)
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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 10:37:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19

Maybe this thread needs to be in random stupidity...

I have seen more than one profile that they say they have umpteen years of experience and they are a "true Master". These profiles talk about pagentry of d's and someone wanting to be involved in that. I usually think if you say it you must not be it. Has anyone met a dominant that when they said they were a "true master", they actually were?

luscious,

The hangup is the word true, a valid Master will simply not use the term! in my opinion.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 10:52:35 AM

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The term is nonsense. There is no need for it. I wouldn't take anyone feeling compelled to use it seriously.

Measure your quality proportionally to (a) your own sense of internal fulfillment, and (b) to the happiness in devotion of the one(s) under your command.

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