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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 11:08:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being a master is defined as someone who actually 'owns' a slave...otherwise just what does he master ?

Being a collared slave that defines her/his master...is voluntary...consentual. The extent to which they continue to remain as such...the have a trwooooo M/s relationship.

Parceling out either party is of little redeeming value.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 11:28:18 AM   
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Being a master is defined as someone who actually 'owns' a slave...otherwise just what does he master ?
Actually, I disagree. There are many contexts in which the word Master can be used....as in Master Electrician, commander of a merhcant ship, military title or a Master of Martial Arts.

I don't believe in consensual slavery, but I still refer to Master as Master because he is my guiding force in life.

And now that I think of it: Master is also the term used as salutation for young males. Maybe "TRUE Master" is an euphemism "immature naked horny guy who thinks saying he's dominant will get him chicks"?

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 12:27:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I’ll toss my hat in the ring with definitions.  I do believe in defined roles and categories within (and outside) the lifestyle.  It allows us to effectively communicate with each other. 

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"To me, the old school definition of Master is still found in the dictionary.  Nouns that apply to the title are, teacher, mentor, expert, leader and the classic “Master of the slaves” in the literal sense.  All these titles refer to a person in a seat of responsibility over those he is training or ruling."

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 12:59:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just an opinion, but I believe there is no "True Master/Mistress". Every day in this lifestyle is a learning experience for both Dom/me-sub/slave, therefore One cannot be considered a True Master of something they are still learning from. 

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 2:02:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have met people who truely think themselves Masters... normally they have narrowed their worlds down too remove anytthing "challenging" to their authority.  Others who I have met who use that term take it that it gives them license to abuse.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 3:25:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is a Master? i don't know save the one who is master of me....the one who has mastery over me, the one who micro manages my time, who checks that i do not fall, save at his feet, the one who encourages and coaxes the best from me, the one who demands that i surrender my will so that i am saved from self-defeat, the one who entices and who loves me, the best one to seduce me with passion and patience and perseverance, the one who pushes me to the extremes of who i can be in everyday service, in stamina of giving and in strength of character, the one who claims ownership of my present and my future time, the one who sets agendas that stretch my character, the one who stakes me as his property, the one who orders rituals and protocols to bring order and humility to my life, the one in whose eyes i am slave, lover, friend, consort, and hand maiden, the one who protects me from the ravages of loneliness and despair, the one who knows my greed and my profanity and wishes those satiated, the one who perseveres and has patience with my instabilities, the one who expects the best of me in every look and gesture, the one who tests my ability to bear all pain and the one to whom i prostrate knowing that he raises me up and in whom eyes i stand elevated and whole in the world. The one i call Master.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 3:54:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IvyMorgan
I have met people who truely think themselves Masters... normally they have narrowed their worlds down too remove anytthing "challenging" to their authority.  Others who I have met who use that term take it that it gives them license to abuse.

If the only Masters you have met are either narrow or abusive, perhaps you should broaden your social circles?  There are as many wonderful and open minded people that are “truly” Masters beyond compare as there are slaves.
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To others. 

It seems as if the proponents of “anti-mastery” in this thread believe that Masters are of such fragile ego they cannot be aware of their own worth or title w/o becoming unbalanced, narrow, misogynistic or maniacal.  That seems rather bizarre don’t you think?  I mean, reverse that for a moment and say the same thing about slaves.  To purport that Masters are fake and list yourself as a sub or slave in your own profile is sure sign of sexism
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My architectural design tutor was a true master and his work and works are part of academia.  However, I did not call him master.  My marshal arts teacher was a master and many of my friends in the BDSM community are Masters and I do call them master. 

Although nowhere in my profile text am I a self proclaimed Master, one of the light hearted captions in my humors and blatant promotional photos states that I am a “romantic Master with a deep passion for the BDSM arts”. 

My girls call me Master and so do their submissive friends.  Alternatively and interchangeably I am also called sir.  I do not insist people call me that.  They just do it out if respect because I treat myself and them with respect as well.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 4:02:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		And rereading this, I see I must apologize to Luscious because I helped hijack her thread which is about “true masters” not whether or not mastery or Masters (w/o true) exist. 

My bad baby!  xoxo

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 4:11:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Master should not be a self awarded title. I have been called Master by several people, I am not one of them. How pompous would that be?

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 4:18:11 PM   
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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 4:34:35 PM   
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Master should not be a self awarded title. I have been called Master by several people, I am not one of them. How pompous would that be?

Fuck it, I am a “true sadist”, anyone wanna’ bite that off and chew on it? 

Why lambaste someone for saying they are a “true Master” when we don’t do it to someone that says they drive a “true classic” car or they are a "true sports fan"?   Admittedly this all gets semantically silly which is exactly my point.  Be it a “true Master” or “true slave”, there is no reason so many should react negatively to those terms when they are common expressions in our language.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 4:47:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't read all the posts in this thread...but for me it is more of a chemistry/experience thing....My real Dominant makes me feel a certain way and vice versa....so what I experience as true might not be what others do...I know that is not very detailed but it is what it is....Things that come to mind are...do i build up trust and respect fast and find him attractive..etc...haven't found it again yet but i know it is out there again!

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 5:01:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Being a master is defined as someone who actually 'owns' a slave...otherwise just what does he master ?

Being a collared slave that defines her/his master...is voluntary...consentual. The extent to which they continue to remain as such...the have a trwooooo M/s relationship.

Parceling out either party is of little redeeming value.



I'm not only a "true" Master......I'm a licensed one as well...by the U.S. Coast Guard. Does that count?

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 5:12:36 PM   
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a Master fulfills what i need but not what i want until what i want becomes a need......
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a Master makes me feel like a true slave, allowing me the right to retain what i define as that which is truthful





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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 8:28:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The term is a little blurry because it does have several definitions that can be applicable here.

It can describe a relationship - anyone who owns a dog is the dog's master, without any particularly overwhelming qualifications other than that they happen to own the dog, and the dog recognizes them as it's owner/master.

So it can be with people. Any two people can decide to have this type of relationship.
That some sort of quasi-mystical transcendence be involved is not a necessary pre-condition.

On the other hand, I most associate the term with the Master/Journeyman arrangement of tradespeople, where the journeyman acquires a set of skills that the master has had the time and experience to "master", or perfect.

Or I can be Master of Myself, I suppose, if I endeavor to think for myself and live the way I want to live (at least as much as I am able), though that probably doesn't relate to the question at hand.

So, one can be a master in terms of the kind of relationship one has or in terms of knowledge, skill or experience.
No real startling conclusions here, just some random thoughts.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 8:40:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		"True Master". I love it! *LMAO* Any "Dominant" that would ever refer to themselves as any type of "Master" without having a submissive is a poor joke. It's a little like someone saying that they are a jockey and having never been on a horse. I am a dominant-type personality, I've been told that I'm a "natural Dominant" (not that I've ever really felt comfortable with THAT little title, either), and I just happen to be the "Master" of a very wonderful woman. After about 12 years of wandering around the Internet D/s or BDSM community, anyone with the word "Master" or "Lord" in their name is an instant signal for me to just ignore anything that they might have to say. Don't "Greetings, M'Lord" to me, D/don't C/cap E/very W/word J/ust B/because Y/you T/think T/that I/it's T/the W/way I/it's S/supposed T/t B/be, don't address my other half as "lil one" just because she's submissive (She actually DOES have a name and in the English language, names are still capitalized), and don't *bow* or *kneel* in an email or IM post. All of the Internet "protocalls" don't mean a damned thing to me. Being able to form and articulate an intelligent thought is a much better way to impress most people. "True Master". How could there be any such thing? Would a "True Master" be as wonderful "Daddy Dom" as he is as being a pain-whielding Sadist? In my opinion, there is no such thing as a "True Master". Master of what?

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 9:06:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PowerDwarf

You are SO right! The more they strut, the less they have to back it up.


Its that old line
All hat and no cattle.




i love this, never heard it before.. mind you im in england and farmers round these ere parts dont wear stetsans (is that the right name for them)

anyhoo, lush - casting my teeny brain backwards i have to admit ive never met anyone who has claimed to be 'True' in so many words, but ive certainly met one or two with puffed out chests and the opinion that they are the ultimate D and i should be enormously grateful to sit in their shade.

people like this have closed minds, they think they know it all, so dont bother to read, absorb and grow, its a very arrogant and self limiting attitude.

when i was very new and knew diddlysquat myself i met this guy who thought he was the bees knees.  anyway, he was spanking me one day, quite high up and i asked him to go lower and pointed to the curvy round bit at the bottom of my bottom.(you know the 'sweet' place). i remember him saying in a surprised slightly shocked voice
'ive never heard of anyone spanking anyone there before!'
it was about then that i realised my worse suspicions were probably well grounded.





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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/27/2008 11:20:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		When i usually come across slaves who are looking for their true (love) (dom) Master) i usually bypass them. I can still see the pixie dust on their eyes. Thats usually enough to tell me that they either are in fantasy land and don't understand the reality of it. Or they don't understand that even a real true dom might not be a fit for her. And might be perfect for another.

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/28/2008 12:44:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno...the opposite of a false Master?

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RE: What's a true Master? - 9/28/2008 5:16:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: masterforRT

I dunno...the opposite of a false Master?


LMAO...i was actually going to say that, but unfortunately decided against it......shame on me.

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