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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 6:44:36 AM   
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Whenever you meet or come together she should hand over things like her car keys and pocketbook. She shouldnt be allwed these choices when she is with You. If you are at home or a hotel take her shoes as well. Maybe place them locked in your car. also get a collar that actually has the word slave on it. She will understand going out in public isnt possible without outing herself. Have all of her passwords to all of her accounts. Register her on slaveregister.com If she isnt good you can place in her online profiles that she is an owned slave or perhaps a link to her slaveregistered profile.

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 7:14:45 AM   
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Whenever you meet or come together she should hand over things like her car keys and pocketbook. She shouldnt be allwed these choices when she is with You. If you are at home or a hotel take her shoes as well. Maybe place them locked in your car. also get a collar that actually has the word slave on it. She will understand going out in public isnt possible without outing herself. Have all of her passwords to all of her accounts. Register her on slaveregister.com If she isnt good you can place in her online profiles that she is an owned slave or perhaps a link to her slaveregistered profile.


and don't forget the cape, Control only happens while wearing a cape. And You should try to grow a HandleBar Mustashe And see if you can get your friends to start calling you Mr. Whiplash. And get a Dog names Muttley.

I can see it now the women being controlled by the droves and those who laugh at you hysterically when you explain this plan are always good specimins for the Lobotomy.

I bask in the Glory of True Mastery

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 7:31:08 AM   
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Some are compelled by their nature to be what they are. I see choice as an active decision, not responded to a primal part of a persons being.


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ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

The Paradox there is what came first the internal slavery or the decision to practice it?

Steel



With all do respect we live in a world where the social whitewash of the sexual acceptance is still one which says different is wrong. A girl who rises above as you put it to accept what she is still makes the choice to ignore the possible social isolation should the fact get out.

To suggest that no choice is made for a girl to be what she is or for that matter to be with the Master she chooses to be with is assinine. If that were the truth then girls would simply be with who wanted them and not with the Master who best suits them.

To think that you as a Master are not chosen by the girl who "accepts" your collar is again more than just questionable. And any basic education in America, Europe, and Asia Will have taught you that slavery has been abolished and is not legal and therfore any Internal or External slavery one would engage in would be by choice because all they have to do to no longer be enslaved is .... leave.

My point is not that slavery does not exist but rather that what does exist is slavery by choice and when it comes to the initial choice between a the supposed Master and the supposed slave it is ALWAYS the slaves choice.

I can Huff and Puff and swing my Dick like a baseball bat but if the slave in question does not wish to be owned by me then my advances become a crime in this modern world. Remember the Law of the Land will always trump the Laws you live by unless of course yours are those of the land.

It is okay to enjoy the Fantasy of slavery but don't get lost in that Fantasy always remember what is REALLY going on. Because NO amount of Internal Slavery will give you control over thier thoughts, the most you can hope for is Transparency and even then you have to have faith that they are really showing you everything. In my opinion this is a Matter of TRUST in relation to Submission and I believe this takes a great amount of time to create and that is a bond between two people not just the realization of a girls inner desires.

Then again I am not the all knowing all seeing Mr. Fancy Pants that I sometimes wish I were so your Mileage may Vary but them's my beliefs and I think I'll stick to them for awhile

Steel

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 7:56:36 AM   
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Who says youre not Mr. Fancy Pants???...Who? Who?...ill take care of it immediatly, Sir.

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 8:18:44 AM   
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SWEEEEEEET...... My First Lacky.

Thank you persephonee termination of the non believer is not necessary ...... at this time.

Find out where his family lives and if they own a dog.

Steel

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 8:26:01 AM   
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Yes Sir...wudda added Master Fancy Pants but didnt want to come off too lippy....im unruly but not stupid.

May i offer the services of my band of cohorts...we are the Pussy Posse...Vaginal Vigilantes....we have tee shirts and hotpants...and we kick some serious ass. im number 69.

Already on the background checks and will update as per instruction.

*clicks her heels, backs from the room with deliberation (ignore the fact that she just hit the doorjam)...eyes lowered and crackberry at the ready.*

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 9:38:24 AM   
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I see this has gone like all forum thread should do... into the surreal :)

Thanks for the thoughts, it is very appreciated. 

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 9:57:03 AM   
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MrDW,

In all seriousness, Control is a subjective term I think you may want to spend more time trying to figure out WHY she is pushing your buttons rather than trying to figure out how to stop her from doing it.

This is a Realtionship, A Control Based one but there is an underlined relationship beyond that nurture that relationship it doesn't have to be about " I say You Do" all the time help your relationship grow and help her Grow to a point where she doesn't need to test your authority.

Hope you find happiness

Steel

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 10:12:22 AM   
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nuff said.

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 1:22:53 PM   
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Thanks Steel and thanks everyone else, I am impressed by everyone's willingness to share and even more impressed by many of you who understand and articulate this well

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 1:24:09 PM   
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Pretty much the same thing I said Steel..Great Minds think alike (maybe?). Something is probably missing in the dynamic for her to be pushing this hard. But I want to repeat something I have said before as well...it is not always easy for someone to tell you what is wrong or missing.

Don't get me wrong that is not necessarily what is happening. She may just be a SAM like I am and some others on here. Strong, Opinionated, Willful Women who are NOT by nature Submissive but have found that one person they can respect, love and honor enough to call Master. That doesn't mean we are going to be easy for them to control,  our very natures may buck that control at every point.

Ages and Ages ago Walter Farley wrote a book (he was in High School it was published when he was in college) called the Black Stallion (yes it was a movie as well). It is the story of a Full Grown, Wild Arabian Stallion that has been stolen, has killed a man, and escapes/survives the sinking of the ship he is on along with a young boy who was traveling alone.   For nineteen days they must survive in that desolate place, and in this time a strong bond is formed between the boy and the wild Arab horse. So why do I bring this up? Neither Horse nor Boy could speak to each other save through actions. Punishment wasn't going to break a wild spirit, and one would not normally think of a young boy 12 or 13 years old as a Master or Dominant, yet he was strong enough to tame and safely ride what no one else had been able to. We who are SAMS are often categorized as brats, misbehaving and challenging because we want to. A lot of times we don't, it is our nature and while we can change a lot about ourselves, can we ever really change who we are at the core? But the very things that make us who we are is also what attracts you to us, that fiery never say die spirit and will that bows only to one person and not out of fear, or inner need to submit, but because it is right between us. I prefer to think of us not as Smart Ass Masochist, but as Smart Asset Masochists. With the right person, the right Master, we are indeed an Asset and that includes our brains.

My suggestion to you DW is step back, drop the control issues until you discover what it is you both REALLY want and expect of each other. Then begin to work towards that one strand at a time. Don't try to do it all at one time, but choose an area and work on that. As she gives up a control you take it from her. It's kinda like exercising at a gym. If you have been a couch potato you don't just walk in and do all of the machines and max weights on your first day. You take it one machine at a time, adding a new one every couple of days and adding a little more weight/more reps/more time each time until you build up your stamina and muscles. Try to do it all at once and you are likely to spend a lot more time recovering than training. Same happens in relationships, especially DS..try to take on too much too fast when you should be learning each other as WELL as what you also need and it is far too easy for it all to fall apart.

The other suggestion is..if you both work, that first hour home, is free time. Respectful time, but a chance to relax and get off minds what is fresh from the days trenches, deal with bills, medical discussions, or just plain relaxing. Everyone needs a chance to shift gears, and if you are coming in after a hard day of supervising and dealing with people you need a chance to shift gears or it is way too easy to respond from the Work Mentality instead of the Relationship one.

Good luck

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 1:39:24 PM   
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erm...poen...your post kinda makes me wanna sub to you....or at least get to FL to meet you two....

peace

perse

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 1:47:37 PM   
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Come on down Luv..I am  a Sado Masochistic SAM . A truly evil switch you might find what you are looking for...

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 1:54:34 PM   
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oh hoooo....dont you know it....im halfway to Greedy as we speak....hehe...and after causing a rotator cuff re-tear to one of my guys from some sort of unfortunate flogger incident, im a lookin.

perse

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 2:41:54 PM   
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The fact that there are seperate terms for Master/slave, Dominant/submissive and Sadist/masochist would indicate that there are different dynamics at work in each of the relationships. Not all slaves are submissive, nor are submissives slaves.

Perhaps reading the BDSM article at SM-201 ( http://www.backdrop.net/sm-201/index.php?title=BDSM ) might give some insight how they work together and seperately.


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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 4:44:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah


With all do respect we live in a world where the social whitewash of the sexual acceptance is still one which says different is wrong. A girl who rises above as you put it to accept what she is still makes the choice to ignore the possible social isolation should the fact get out.

To suggest that no choice is made for a girl to be what she is or for that matter to be with the Master she chooses to be with is assinine. If that were the truth then girls would simply be with who wanted them and not with the Master who best suits them.


Do not see respect in reconciling those two areas. Our difference comes from the use of the word choice. You use it generally and I use it specifically. Kind of like choosing to be attracted to someone or not, or choosing sexual orientation.

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To think that you as a Master are not chosen by the girl who "accepts" your collar is again more than just questionable. And any basic education in America, Europe, and Asia Will have taught you that slavery has been abolished and is not legal and therfore any Internal or External slavery one would engage in would be by choice because all they have to do to no longer be enslaved is .... leave.


Again comes down to the definition of choice. Also, I did not offer my collar to my property, she begged it. It was a choice by her yes, but it is a choice that is rooted in a biological drive. Much different than choosing which color of shirt to wear, or whether or not to add salt to taste. As far as leaving, I suggest some research into Internal Enslavement, as the conditions can be created so that the property can no longer exert that willpower unless another biological imperative occurs (risk of harm or death as an example).

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My point is not that slavery does not exist but rather that what does exist is slavery by choice and when it comes to the initial choice between a the supposed Master and the supposed slave it is ALWAYS the slaves choice.


This comment shows a rather narrow view, as it is not descriptive of all M/s relationships. What you call choice, is not always exactly a choice but a compulsion of the individual.

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I can Huff and Puff and swing my Dick like a baseball bat but if the slave in question does not wish to be owned by me then my advances become a crime in this modern world. Remember the Law of the Land will always trump the Laws you live by unless of course yours are those of the land.


Yeah, the ludicrous is always used to defend a narrow view. I again refer you to studying Internal Enslavement a bit more.

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It is okay to enjoy the Fantasy of slavery but don't get lost in that Fantasy always remember what is REALLY going on. Because NO amount of Internal Slavery will give you control over thier thoughts, the most you can hope for is Transparency and even then you have to have faith that they are really showing you everything. In my opinion this is a Matter of TRUST in relation to Submission and I believe this takes a great amount of time to create and that is a bond between two people not just the realization of a girls inner desires.


Just because you can't, means it is fantasy? It takes a great amount of time, trust, devotion and knowledge. You make a claim about Intenral Enslavement but do not show from your comments that you actually understand the fundamentals of it.

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Then again I am not the all knowing all seeing Mr. Fancy Pants that I sometimes wish I were so your Mileage may Vary but them's my beliefs and I think I'll stick to them for awhile

Steel


Hope that works for you.

Orion

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 9/30/2008 5:20:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL:  SteelofUtah
It is okay to enjoy the Fantasy of slavery but don't get lost in that Fantasy always remember what is REALLY going on. Because NO amount of Internal Slavery will give you control over thier thoughts, the most you can hope for is Transparency


Really?  I'd have to disagree with this.  Controlling my wife's behavior was the first and simplest thing I took control of.  Since then, she has definitely allowed me direct control over her inner workings.. her thoughts... her emotions... even her worldview.  At this point, about the only thing I think I don't have control of is her core value set.  If I commanded her to violate that I'd fail instantly.  Attempts to change it would be difficult, time consuming, and involve influence much more than command.  But for her moods and thoughts, a simple command would suffice more often than not and we're only at the 9 month mark at this.

Looking at my wife, I am fairly certain that I could, in fact, "train" her to the point where she could no longer choose (aka:  Internal Enslavement).  I don't do so because I see that as a bad thing for us.  For me, the moment she can no longer choose, then she can no longer consent and I'm not much of a one for non-consentual slavery.

< Message edited by leadership527 -- 9/30/2008 5:22:26 PM >


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RE: Controlling my Slave - 10/2/2008 9:39:39 AM   
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    Hmmm interesting?  are you sure she has allowed you to see all of her inner self or is she holding something back? no offense intended here just curious is all.

    Trust must be absolute between Master and slave before or all the lessons will be wasted, as well as time.   One must choose a slave well meaning a lot of communication to see which of us wants out of it all.  Then a agreed upon meeting and some mild testing, real training can begin then.

  My slave has graced me with her trust so now we move on!

  But I have been around for many damn years now and still cant figure out fully what they are thinking?  So beware of the female...they are a tricky species....but oh so damn nice to have around!

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 10/2/2008 5:54:52 PM   
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[Again comes down to the definition of choice. Also, I did not offer my collar to my property, she begged it. It was a choice by her yes, but it is a choice that is rooted in a biological drive. Much different than choosing which color of shirt to wear, or whether or not to add salt to taste. As far as leaving, I suggest some research into Internal Enslavement, as the conditions can be created so that the property can no longer exert that willpower unless another biological imperative occurs (risk of harm or death as an example).



I'm rather skeptical about Internal Enslavement, however even if I agree that it exists, I'm sure you will agree that you cannot set up those conditions unless the sub in question actually spends time with you. If you come around trying to set up those conditions and she calls the cops and has you arrested for stalking, then it isn't going to happen.

She has to make a choice about you being acceptable to her.

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RE: Controlling my Slave - 10/2/2008 7:07:55 PM   
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So much debate about what is or isn't possible... and to what end?  To prove what?  Has anyone asked that yet?

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