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variation30 -> RE: The End of Prosperity/Fasten your seats, its going to be a bumpy ride (10/7/2008 10:58:39 PM)
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ORIGINAL: slaveboy291
The fact that the the book is named Liberal Fascism, is enough to tell you it's as full of crap as the website Hitlerwasasocialist and Ann Coulters How to Speak to a Liberal(if you have too)
And any comparison between Roosevelt and Hitler, Mussolini or any other dictator no matter what is way out of context.
um...if you knew anything about the topic, which you don't, you'd know that liberal fascism is not goldberg's title. it was coined by h.g. wells when he was saying that the new left should be 'enligthened nazis and liberal fascists.'
and yes, hitler was a socialist. if you'd like to argue this, I'd be more than happy to educate you on the nation socialist movement in germany, whose hands the means of production was in, how hitler and his party felt about capitalism and capitalists, etc.
but then again, you're probably one of those people who think that fascism is a 'right-wing' movement...so I'd have to explain quite a bit to you (or you could just read the book).
as far as comparing hitler, mussolini, and fdr...I think you may not have a good idea of the times. fascism and national socialism (especially fascism) were considered progressive movements andt hese men were idolized in america for a time. mussolini was times' man of the year twice and hitler was once.
"I'm a history buff, I don't recally Mussolini ever having a written manifesto of Fascists views."
then you aren't much of a history buff. it was written by a committe of estranged members of the socialist party - primarily mussolini. it was published in mussolini's newspaper 'the people of italy'.
if you read the fascist manifesto, which I know you have not, you would recognize it as a progressive movement: here's a list of what is in it:
- Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women;
- Proportional representation on a regional basis;
- Voting for women (which was opposed by most other European nations);
- Representation at government level of newly created National Councils by economic sector;
- The abolition of the Italian Senate (at the time, the Senate, as the upper house of parliament, was by process elected by the wealthier citizens, but were in reality direct appointments by the King. It has been described as a sort of extended council of the Crown);
- The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers (this concept was rooted in corporatist ideology and derived in part from Catholic social doctrine).
- The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
- A minimum wage;
- The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
- To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
- Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
- Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
- Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.
- A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a “partial expropriation” of concentrated wealth);
- The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
etc. the national socialist movement had very similar platforms though the nazis weren't as...idealistic as the fascists...they were more opportunistic.
but yes, both national socialism and fascism were progressive movements from the left and share striking similarities to a lot of things done under men like wilson or FDR.
but this is a different topic altogether. if you want me to explain the history of the fascist movement from their origins in international socialism to mussolini's break during WWI, to the fascists making the trains run on time, and so forth...start another threat saying something along the lines of 'people who think hitler was a socialist were dumb lol' and I'll correct you.
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