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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/9/2008 11:45:09 PM

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Well, if you vote in a retard, you get a retard's solutions which is why its not a good idea to vote for a retard.

However, some people never learn because there seems to be a few people who are going to vote for Sarah Palin.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 1:09:27 AM

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I have read this bizarre argument many times... that, because there has not been another major terrorist attack on Ami soil since 9/11, the Patriot Act and other silly-assed laws are responsible.

That's funny. Seems to me the entire financial infrastructure is melting down, and the bin Ladens of the world have accomplished their goals. It took a few years, but why should they be in a hurry? They've funded AQ for a long time. Just have some shills take short positions on, say, airline stocks on September 10, 2001, and rake in the money.

There hasn't been any NEED to do anything. 9/11 was the tipping point. The West is now self-destructing.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 2:05:50 AM

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Well Cory before buying your bridge I would like to point out the irony of mentioning the Patriot Act on ths thread.Thank you ever so much for bringing up one of Bushie's more odious act's....BTW I will pass on the aforementioned Bridge,I live in New York(part-time)that bridge your tyring to unload is in serious need of repair.

Excuse me...I lived in New York for forty years (not part time as a student or watever you were doing) and was there for 9/11 when my company lost six people in the South Tower, my secretary lost her husband, and a neightbor lost a thirty year old daughter. Don't fucking tell me about NYC and terrorism..I don't get my feelings rom some professor, some book, or from some empty suit phony that noone knows from Illinoi...and the bridge that really needs fixing is the 59th Street bridge...the one I walked over to get to Queens that horrible day when it was repopened. You know...life is too short to argue with childlike brains over the real world... Have a wonderful life... You win~! maybe....

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 2:15:29 AM

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Now you've sobered up, do you still think Obama is Hitler?

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 2:26:49 AM

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Now you've sobered up, do you still think Obama is Hitler?

Not really.... I just could't find any video of Stalin....but is there really any difference whether the extreme of any political view...a facist, a communist, a king...whatever...when someone who wants to be my leader feels HE knows what is good for me better than I do...I get kinda concerned. Hey.. but that's me... And Charismatic leaders killed more people in history than the plague.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 2:28:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Well Cory before buying your bridge I would like to point out the irony of mentioning the Patriot Act on ths thread.Thank you ever so much for bringing up one of Bushie's more odious act's....BTW I will pass on the aforementioned Bridge,I live in New York(part-time)that bridge your tyring to unload is in serious need of repair.

Excuse me...I lived in New York for forty years (not part time as a student or watever you were doing) and was there for 9/11 when my company lost six people in the South Tower, my secretary lost her husband, and a neightbor lost a thirty year old daughter. Don't fucking tell me about NYC and terrorism..I don't get my feelings rom some professor, some book, or from some empty suit phony that noone knows from Illinoi...and the bridge that really needs fixing is the 59th Street bridge...the one I walked over to get to Queens that horrible day when it was repopened. You know...life is too short to argue with childlike brains over the real world... Have a wonderful life... You win~! maybe....

You know, Hitler had his own version of the Patriot Act which he used to round up all his political opposition so don't defend the Patriot Act by pretending it will stop another 9/11. It won't but it could be used against honest Americans who oppose their government's view of the world.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 2:38:18 AM

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Well, if you vote in a retard, you get a retard's solutions which is why its not a good idea to vote for a retard.

However, some people never learn because there seems to be a few people who are going to vote for Sarah Palin.

What a terrible choice of words. Kinda defines where we are at here with respect to the level of political discourse with Obama supporters.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 2:39:00 AM

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Stalin has never been accused of being charismatic. He was 'Uncle Joe' safe and reassuring. He eliminated those around him who possessed leadership qualities.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 3:24:42 AM

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Could it be that people just hate Bush because it's "in"?

Well now that he's leaving I "hate" him a lot less. That's because I can relax a little about the fear I have about his leadership. However, I never "hated" him because it was "in", I've never liked or trusted or respected him once he got us involved in the Iraq war. In fact, that's when I lost a lot of respect for 80% of the US population. If you recall, that is the estimated percentage who supported the war. I knew then that the reasons we were given for entering the war were lies. I did not support the decision because it was motivated by revenge, not sound reasoning and necessity and it has cost us far more than we gained by it.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 3:27:07 AM

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FR:

The good:

1. Fight against Islamic terrorism.
   a. War in Iraq (finally getting it right)
   b. Patriot act
2. Renewed world respect for the political strength of the US
3. Supreme Court appointments.

Bad:

1. Signed bankruptcy bill,
2. Poorly managed relations with Congress:
a. Let the Republicans desert conservative principles,
b. Failed to confront the Democratic Congress
3. Pretty much destroyed the conservative aspects of the Republican party

Firm

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 3:54:04 AM

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FR:

The good:

1. Fight against Islamic terrorism.
a. War in Iraq (finally getting it right)
b. Patriot act
2. Renewed world respect for the political strength of the US
3. Supreme Court appointments.

The fight against Islamic terrorism is more for internal US consumption than actually fighting Islamic rterrorism. Most people outside America knows the US could get a resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict if they were of the mind to and solve much of the terrorism problem without firing a shot. The US dog however, is wagged by the Israeli tail and the US seem happy with things that way.

The US will never get Iraq right because Bush got it so wrong in the first place. The US will probably stabilize the situation long enough to cut and run and claim that to be a success. The rest of the world and those unblinkered Americans will recognize it for what it is.

I think if you took your vacation outside the US Firm, you would find that respect for the US has never been so low and disgust so high. Not even US military power is respected that much anymore. Iran knows you can't start a third war in the region without serious consequences for the US economy and the chances are the US probably wouldn't be able to borrow enough money on the international markets to pay for it.

The Patriot Act is a piece of fascist legislation and will not protect the US from terrorists but will protect the US executive from internal desent.

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Bad:

1. Signed bankruptcy bill,
2. Poorly managed relations with Congress:
a. Let the Republicans desert conservative principles,
b. Failed to confront the Democratic Congress
3. Pretty much destroyed the conservative aspects of the Republican party

Firm

Bush can't manage himself so how he can be expected to manage anything more complicated is beyond me.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 4:54:45 AM

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...when someone who wants to be my leader feels HE knows what is good for me better than I do...I get kinda concerned.

Isn't this exactly Bush's philosophy? He's the Decider, remember?

When we went into Iraq, we were basically told that we had to trust that they knew what was best for us. They knew Saddam had WMD's, they knew where they were, and they knew how to get them. And instead of questioning the lack of evidence people like you told everyone what a great leader he was and how he couldn't share this top secret intelligence with the nation, but he knew what was best for us.

And you're still defending him out of one side of your mouth while telling us out the other side you don't want to elect someone who " ...feels HE knows what is good for me better than I do...".

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 5:15:10 AM

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These answers are awesome. Keep them coming and let him have it.

Here is number three for me: he has destroyed the faith of American voters. We do not trust anyone now, and that fact is a sad day for us.
Steal from the middle class and send the CEOs to the Bahamas.
Maybe he can go into exile in some oil country after the election.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 5:23:45 AM

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You know, Hitler had his own version of the Patriot Act which he used to round up all his political opposition so don't defend the Patriot Act by pretending it will stop another 9/11. It won't but it could be used against honest Americans who oppose their government's view of the world.

Could be?

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 6:08:43 AM

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With the election going on, put that aside for a moment, and lets see how we feel about President Bush's performance in the last eight years.
Give me three good things and three bad things.

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Three Good Things About George Bush:

... he..um...well, he., um.. oh shit.. (I got nothin'......NOTHIN'!)

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 6:10:16 AM

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Did someone just say that Bush's achievement was to restore the world's respect and confidence in the United States

? Coz, from where I've been, it ain't the case AT ALL.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 6:27:06 AM

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As much as I can't stand him, he did handle 9/11 fairly well. Unfortunately he went downhill fast afterwards.

Forgive me as subtleties and sarcasm can be missed. A feather rarely works with me, but a 2 x 4 usually gets my attention.

So, in reference to the above, you're kidding, right?

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 6:46:28 AM

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Nice too, that there has not been an attack on American soil since 9/11...

I have to repeat my previous question: You're kidding, right?

I suppose it is true there has been no attack by a foreign enemy. If I recall there is something in the Constitution about domestic enemies. We've had a nuber of those.

I won't make a long list. Just this one. An attack on the First Amendment. You know the one that talks about free speech, right to peacably assemble, to petition the government for a redress of grievences (sp).

So how did "free speech zones" become a reality. You know, those fenced off areas that are provided to citizens as an area where they ccan gather peacably, speak freely and petition the governement? They are usually accompanied by a large contingent of police officers.

My take on the First Amendment is the entire country, yep all 3,679,245 square miles, is a free speech zone.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 6:47:51 AM

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Three good things about Bush:

1) Africa
2) He proved that America is strong enough to survive the "leadership" of a little wannbe TX fucktard like him.
3) He is now considered a war criminal. When he steps out of the US, there are several countries ready to arrest him and put his ass on trial.

The bad things:
1) The Partiot Act (I and II) and the suspension of hebeas corpus.
2) The Lie about WMD, and his punative actions against Wilson for blowing the whistle on his lies.
3) Letting New Orleans drown.
4) Tax breaks for the rich
5) swiftboating a 12 year old over the S-CHIP program
6) His drunkard, drug addled daughters.
7) His reborn Christian "God wants me to be President" bullshit
8) The luddite ban on stem cell research
9) The anti gay Constitutional Ammendment
10) Turning the US into a torture state.
11) allowing OBL's family to leave the country without questioning
12) Rove
13) Cheaney
14) Rumsfeld
15) 4,500 + US troops dead because of a lie
16) 250,000 + Iraqi civilians dead because of a lie
17) 6,000,000 Iraqi civilians displaced from their homes
18) $10,000,000,000 in national debt (doubling it from what it was when Bill left, so much, that they've run out of numbers on the clock)
19) The Federal Government grown to it's largerst size in history.
20) "Mission Accomplished" (photo ops in a flightsuit)
21) Cutting the benefits of the troops six times
22) opposing the new G.I. Bill
23) "My Pet Goat"
24)....
25)...
26)...

6,3849) that annoying smirk and snicker... like some kind of fucking cartoon character... like "Muttley."

At least now, after it's all said and done, we know what the "W" stands for....

"Worst."

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 7:00:26 AM

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That said, that Patriot Act has wording within in that would absolutely allow Bush to suspend elections and enact martial law so until we actually have the election on the 4th and determine our next CIC, I won't be resting all that easy until he's officially out.

Along with the USA PATRIOT Act come Executive Orders (by both the current President and some before him) and two other documents that are particulalry frightening - NSPD-51 and HSPD-20. Certainly everything needed to suspend elections and institute martial law is in place. A simple google under either of those will turn up some frightening powers.

I've a bet with a friend, $1 against $100, that we won't have a new Pres come 1/20/09. I've never wanted to lose a bet so much in my life.

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