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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 7:35:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: UncleNasty

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

As much as I can't stand him, he did handle 9/11 fairly well. Unfortunately he went downhill fast afterwards.


Forgive me as subtleties and sarcasm can be missed. A feather rarely works with me, but a 2 x 4 usually gets my attention.

So, in reference to the above, you're kidding, right?

Uncle Nasty


No, I am not kidding. From where I sat, alot of people took comfort in the way he conducted himself on, and in the days immediately following 9/11. Nothing like that had happened in most of our lifetimes and it shook people to their cores. He did what a president should do, get on tv and give people some reassurance that live was going to go on and that something was being done.

Again, I am the furthest thing from being a Bush supporter. I detest the man. But, unlike many people that post on these forums I do my best to avoid wearing blinders to all facets of any individual. The last person I want to be our next president is John McCain, but I would never say he is a worthless individual or that he has not served his country in the way he felt was best. Both as a soldier and a politician. I just happen to feel he is not the right person for the job right now.

These are the joys of being a registered independent. Objection decision making based upon facts. Add that to my ability to remove emotion from my process and I am very comfortable in my choices.


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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 7:37:02 AM   
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These answers are awesome.    Keep them coming and let him have it. 


So... you didn't really want an impartial evaluation; you just wanted to start a Bush bashing thread?

Well, I've posted this before and it's a bit dated, however...
Budget, Taxes & Economy

Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.

Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.

In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.

Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.

Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.

Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.

Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

Signed trade promotion authority.

Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.

Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.

Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.

Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.

Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.

Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.

Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.

Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

Education & Employment Training

Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations).

Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.

Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)

Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.

Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.

Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.

Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.

Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to to become teachers.

Environment & Energy

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.

Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.

Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.

Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.

Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.

Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.

Defense & Foreign Policy

Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.

Saddam Hussein is now dead. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

Leader by leader and member by member, al Qaida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaida leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaida leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.

Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.

Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.

Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.

Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.

Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.

Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.

Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.

Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.

Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.

Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.

Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.

Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.

Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.

Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.

Ordered a review of overseas deployments.

Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.

Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.

Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.

Globalization & Internationalism

Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).

Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.

Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*

The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.

Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."

Government Reform

Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.

Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.

Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*

Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.

Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.

Health

Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.

Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.

Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.

Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.

More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.

New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

*See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.

Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.

Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).

Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.

The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.

Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.

Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.

Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.

This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.

Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.

Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.

Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.

Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.

Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.

Judiciary & Tort Reform

Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.

Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.

Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.

Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

Politics

His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.

Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

Second Amendment

Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.

Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.

Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.

*See Globalization & Internationalism.

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."

Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.

Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.

The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.

Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.

Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.

Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.

Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.
Please note that this is from a list created by supporters of Bush and as they aren't here to tell you why they feel the President is doing a good job, I thought I'd let their words speak for them.

I won't bother to list three bad things because I think there's more than enough here.  I will point out that I believe President Bush has made plenty of mistakes and I've been more than disappointed with his performance at times.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 7:46:09 AM   
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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 8:52:39 AM   
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TreasureKY - Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.

Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

 

 
Please please tell me you are joking!  The American taxpayer has just been screwed for the biggest income tax heist in history and that is on top of a huge national debt that will have to be paid back through taxation.

He created a social security system for the rich and fucked over every ordinary American in the process.

No wonder the American rich can get away with pissing on ordinary Americans because when they do, from your response, many ordinary Americans are lovin' it!

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:00:13 AM   
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No, no---we're enjoying the fruits of his wisdom and foresight on the economy, the national debt, the safety of our banking system, our food system, our preparedness for natural disasters, and, of course, our phenomenal and quick success in Iraq and Afghanistan....that's why we're enjoying all this peace and prosperity! Come on! Think! Geez......

....oh....wait....um......never mind......

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:16:27 AM   
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*shrugs*

Amazing as it may sound, I don't immediately blame all the woes of the world on the President of the US.  Seems to me that there were quite a few more people (of all political and socio-economic persuasions) than just Bush involved in our current economic situation.  But, if it makes you feel good to lay it all on Bush's shoulders, then by all means go ahead. 


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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:20:25 AM   
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Well Cory before buying your bridge I would like to point out the irony of mentioning the Patriot Act on ths thread.Thank you ever so much for bringing up one of Bushie's more odious act's....BTW I will pass on the aforementioned Bridge,I live in New York(part-time)that bridge your tyring to unload is in serious need of repair.


Excuse me...I lived in New York for forty years (not part time as a student or watever you were doing)  and was there for 9/11 when my company lost six people in the South Tower, my secretary lost her husband, and a neightbor lost a thirty year old daughter.  Don't fucking tell me about NYC and terrorism..I don't get my feelings rom some professor, some book, or from some empty suit phony that noone knows from Illinoi...and the bridge that really needs fixing is the 59th Street bridge...the one I walked over to get to Queens that horrible day when it was repopened.  You know...life is too short to argue with childlike brains over the real world...    Have a wonderful life... You win~!  maybe....
Hey Cory get a fucking grip pal,born and bred in New York....ex-wife(mother of my one and only child might have bumped into you on that bridge)was there on Sept.11th I'm no need of preaching from you on what a horrible day that was.The self inflicted damage was done when we allowed the passage of  that odious  piece called the Patriot Act....now if we disagree politically on the utility of trashing the Constitution all well and good,but don't for a minute think that because of a personal loss you get to tell me where my ideas come from or denigrate the value of my beliefs....I will stick with old Ben Franklin who warned "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety,deserve niether liberty nor safety".....Now as to living in New York part time,once again you miss the mark...it is my son who is the student at NYU and that brings me back to New York on a regular basis...I spent my first 46 years there,so please don't lecture me I am niether a child nor uninformed ...thanks all the same.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:23:03 AM   
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*shrugs*

Amazing as it may sound, I don't immediately blame all the woes of the world on the President of the US.  Seems to me that there were quite a few more people (of all political and socio-economic persuasions) than just Bush involved in our current economic situation.  But, if it makes you feel good to lay it all on Bush's shoulders, then by all means go ahead. 




I'd agree with this.

But then, since the same speaker typically wishes to lay all the "successes" on Bush's shoulders, that's a contradiction.

Not to mention that several of the "successes" didn't and aren't succeeding.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:23:04 AM   
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*shrugs*

Amazing as it may sound, I don't immediately blame all the woes of the world on the President of the US.  Seems to me that there were quite a few more people (of all political and socio-economic persuasions) than just Bush involved in our current economic situation.  But, if it makes you feel good to lay it all on Bush's shoulders, then by all means go ahead. 




Well GWB is lucky to have you because it was his watch and he could have done something about the situation years ago. I'm blaming Gordon Brown on this side of the pond because he was happy as larry about people feeling rich as they got into debt and if the shit hadn't hit the fan would still be taking credit for the boom as I'm sure GWB would. Meanwhile prudent people like me have had to bend over and take a good fucking because the man in charge wasn't doing his job.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:38:38 AM   
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I'd agree with this.

But then, since the same speaker typically wishes to lay all the "successes" on Bush's shoulders, that's a contradiction.

Not to mention that several of the "successes" didn't and aren't succeeding.


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Well, I've posted this before and it's a bit dated, however...
... Please note that this is from a list created by supporters of Bush and as they aren't here to tell you why they feel the President is doing a good job, I thought I'd let their words speak for them.

Just in case you missed these parts.

At any rate, the point is, that as much as people here want to bash and moan and bitch about how absolutely awful Bush is, he hasn't been all bad.  I'm sure there's one or two things in that list that can still stand.

As far as I'm concerned, those who want to bury their heads in the sand and insist that Bush is personally responsible for every evil in this world deserve what they will get when a new President is elected and nothing changes.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:41:55 AM   
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The "Death Tax"... what a wonderful bit of rebranding that name is! I wonder, if we called it the "tax of billionaires who never earned their money" if so many people would be so supportive of it. And don't give that crap about family farms, either. I come from a centenial farm background. Family farms were and have always been, exempted from inheritance taxes.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:53:53 AM   
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As much as I can't stand him, he did handle 9/11 fairly well. Unfortunately he went downhill fast afterwards.


Forgive me as subtleties and sarcasm can be missed. A feather rarely works with me, but a 2 x 4 usually gets my attention.

So, in reference to the above, you're kidding, right?

Uncle Nasty


No, I am not kidding. From where I sat, alot of people took comfort in the way he conducted himself on, and in the days immediately following 9/11. Nothing like that had happened in most of our lifetimes and it shook people to their cores. He did what a president should do, get on tv and give people some reassurance that live was going to go on and that something was being done.

Again, I am the furthest thing from being a Bush supporter. I detest the man. But, unlike many people that post on these forums I do my best to avoid wearing blinders to all facets of any individual. The last person I want to be our next president is John McCain, but I would never say he is a worthless individual or that he has not served his country in the way he felt was best. Both as a soldier and a politician. I just happen to feel he is not the right person for the job right now.

These are the joys of being a registered independent. Objection decision making based upon facts. Add that to my ability to remove emotion from my process and I am very comfortable in my choices.



Let's talk about some of those facts.

The first fact was he sat there dumbfounded, with a "deer-in-the headlights" expression after being told about it on camera.  Is that when you first were comforted by his leadership?  Or was it when we hardly heard from him for two days while he flew around the country from one military base to another, I guess on the theory that a moving target is harder to hit.

How about his message to pull us together after 9/11 being that we should go out and shop.  That our primary reponsbility was to spend money to hold together the economy.  I don't know about you, but I was truly inspired.  I did my patriotic duty and maxed out my credit card at the titty bar.

And who can forget his heroic John Wayne "git-em-dead-or-alive" speech.  Very inspiring.  Would have been more inspiring if he had actually devoted the resources to do it.  What did we have, 10,000 troops in Afghanistan after 9/11?  We started with 130,000 in Iraq.  Right now it looks as if the only way we are going to get Bin-Laden or Mullah Omar is dead............. of old age.



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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 10:13:56 AM   
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You have GOT to be kidding.

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2.  Renewed world respect for the political strength of the US

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 10:22:39 AM   
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I never said I wanted an impartial evaluation.   You cannot be impartial when every thing he has done has failed miserably.  I hope you don't own General Motors stock.   It went down to $4.00 a share.
I looked at each thread you attacked.  Your eight year reign is closing.  Grin and bear it.
 
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These answers are awesome.    Keep them coming and let him have it. 


So... you didn't really want an impartial evaluation; you just wanted to start a Bush bashing thread?

Well, I've posted this before and it's a bit dated, however...

Budget, Taxes & Economy

Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.

Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.

Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority.

In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty.

Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people.

Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts.

Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America.

Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals.

Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains.

Signed trade promotion authority.

Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches.

Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States.

Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes.

Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home.

Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled.

Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child.

Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000.

Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans.

Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

Education & Employment Training

Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations).

Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education.

Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.)

Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight.

Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance.

Requires school-by-school accountability report cards.

Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems.

Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to to become teachers.

Environment & Energy

Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty.

Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc.

Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives.

Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger.

Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger.

Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California.

Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.

Defense & Foreign Policy

Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom.

Saddam Hussein is now dead. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured.

Leader by leader and member by member, al Qaida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaida leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaida leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror.

Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed.

Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network.

Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century.

Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses.

Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency.

Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU.

Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year.

Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia.

Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ.

Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command.

Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs.

Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry.

Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006.

Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy.

Ordered a review of overseas deployments.

Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year.

Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports.

Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.

Globalization & Internationalism

Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant).

Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court.

Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).*

The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer.

Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."

Government Reform

Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises.

Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs.

Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.*

Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers.

Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.

Health

Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free.

Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health.

Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:

A 10-year privatization option.

Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.

More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.

New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration

*See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security.

Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004.

Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield).

Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders.

The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity.

Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals.

Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones.

Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested.

This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies.

Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability.

Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization.

Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens.

Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications.

Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.

Judiciary & Tort Reform

Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits.

Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA.

Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary.

Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

Politics

His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency.

Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

Second Amendment

Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right.

Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit.

Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers.

*See Globalization & Internationalism.

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism

Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else — to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself."

Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world.

Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative — located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families.

The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring — even when Federal funds are involved.

Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible.

Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them.

Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states.

Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa.

Please note that this is from a list created by supporters of Bush and as they aren't here to tell you why they feel the President is doing a good job, I thought I'd let their words speak for them.

I won't bother to list three bad things because I think there's more than enough here.  I will point out that I believe President Bush has made plenty of mistakes and I've been more than disappointed with his performance at times.


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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 10:55:42 AM   
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Every day, listening to the GOP supporters (both on this list and in the media) seems like a trip to Bizzaro World. WTF do they think they are kidding?

MissSCD,

Yup, the reign of terror of the GOP is coming to an end. I actually heard the phrase "doomsday for Republicans" last night from a conservative commentator last night, referring to the election this Nov. Between this, and the lovely autumn weather, I've snapped out of a particularly nasty "down period" which seems to have lasted the last eight years... I guess I can only compare it to the effect of the Beatles showing up in Pepperland, beating back the blue meanies... LOL

The transition will be difficult, but if this economic downturn is what's needed to keep these evil fuckers out of office for the next 60 years, so be it.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 11:18:35 AM   
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Rule, I think you need to remove your emotion about the issue and begin to actually read the words on the screen rather than impart your personal feelings into them.

I never said I agreed, not once. I only stated my opinion of what I heard and saw around me, AT THAT TIME. Including the left media. Me, I've alternately laughed at him and shook my head that this country, of presumably intelligent people, actually elected him.

On 9/11, when GW was on tv blathering his sympathetic crap, I was pointing a finger at him in blame. Blaming him, and every other American citizen like him, that treats people that are not like us, with distain.


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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 11:29:29 AM   
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I'm truly at a loss for words.  I don't even know where to begin.

No support, no documentation.  Just here's a list of the wonderful things he supposedly has done.

Do you realize many of these things were the result of Congressional action that Bush initially opposed?  Many others are either misleading or outright false. The remainder can be easily disputed as being positives.

Since your list credited him with everything but making the sun rise, let's just start with the first three:

quote:


Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history.

Supports permanent elimination of the death tax.

Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks.


Bush came into office with a budget surplus and a 5 trillion dollar national debt.  We now have been running record deficits, including the proposed budget that will set a new record, that has doubled the national debt in 8 short years.  That's the true legacy of his tax cuts.  The wealthy received the largest percentage of tax cuts by even the administration's own numbers.  Guess who is going to be shouldering the burden when it comes time to pay what's due? 

The estate tax (we'll forego the Republican propaganda name) as of this year exempts the first 2 million dollars.  In 2009 that increases to 3.5 million dollars.  The tax at those limits affects less than 1% of taxpayers.  We hear a lot about how the estate tax is socialist income redistribution but the idea of income redistribution is embedded in our progressive tax code.  Whether you believe it is fair or not, the question is where the money will come from to make up for the loss of tax revenue if the tax is eliminated.  Even Warren Buffet and Bill Gates have voiced their opposition to the elimination of estate taxes based on the subsequent effects to the economy, among other reasons.

The last one was what really cracked me up though.  An inherited recession?  Too funny.  The economy was in recession during most of Reagan's last  two years and continued during most of the first two years of Bush Sr..  Then the economy prospers under Clinton and Republicans say he inherited the benefits of Reagan's economic policies.  Then Jr. comes in, we have a recession but then we're told it wasn't his fault, he inherited it from Clinton, and besides, there was 9/11 at fault.

Wait though, here's the punchline.  Bush and the Republicans have been telling us until recently that the economy is strong and didn't meet the definition of recession.  Using that definition, however, we began the first recession of Bush's term in the third quarter of 2001, half a year after Clinton was out of office and a month before the hijackings.      

 

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 11:53:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSCD

... I looked at each thread you attacked.  


lol... What threads?

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 12:01:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Rule, I think you need to remove your emotion about the issue and begin to actually read the words on the screen rather than impart your personal feelings into them.

I never said I agreed, not once. I only stated my opinion of what I heard and saw around me, AT THAT TIME. Including the left media. Me, I've alternately laughed at him and shook my head that this country, of presumably intelligent people, actually elected him.

On 9/11, when GW was on tv blathering his sympathetic crap, I was pointing a finger at him in blame. Blaming him, and every other American citizen like him, that treats people that are not like us, with distain.



Yes, I know you do not support him.  My apologies if I seemed to be jumping down your throat.

I just get angry about it because that whole "fall in behind our leader" herd mentality is what led to him being able to bullshit us into Iraq without question because noone, not the media, not Congress, wanted to appear to be unpatriotic at that point.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 12:23:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

The good:

1. Fight against Islamic terrorism.
  a. War in Iraq (finally getting it right)
  b. Patriot act
2.  Renewed world respect for the political strength of the US
3. Supreme Court appointments.
 
Bad:

1. Signed bankruptcy bill,
2. Poorly managed relations with Congress:
a. Let the Republicans desert conservative principles,
b. Failed to confront the Democratic Congress
3. Pretty much destroyed the conservative aspects of the Republican party

Firm





Renewed world respect for the political strength of the US ???? sorry - but i do live in europe and believe me... reading that is like a joke ....
for the longest time  in the US (especially politically) had the 'attitude' that no one else counts, that the world is not as significant as US are.
However, it has been evident more and more the past ten years that the world is connected integrally, especially economically.
i guess for the US there is time to look beyond the rim of the teacup....

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