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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 7:19:55 PM   
slaveboy291


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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 7:58:37 PM   
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Just can't understand the small mindedness and the bittterness of Republicans.

Since its exactly the same as that of the Dems, it should be easy.  Both parties are more interested in making the other party fail than in making America succeed.   To quote another on these boards, "That is the order of things."

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 8:25:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't think of one good thing let alone three.  The bad?  Oh yes, there are many... I don't have the desire nor energy to list all of what I think are the bad, but many of you have named some. 

And, I have to add on a side note.... (with no disrespect intended)  OMG TreasureKY, that is that longest F'ing post I have seen to date.  I'm one of those that has it bad when it comes to long posts... nope, not gonna read em'.  Call it ADD I don't care... I just can't read them long posts.    I do commend those of you who do take the time to share your thoughts.. hmmm maybe I just don't have quality thoughts these days.
 
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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 9:38:54 PM   
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Did someone just say that Bush's achievement was to restore the world's respect and confidence in the United States  ? Coz, from where I've been, it ain't the case AT ALL.
Really. That was the funniest thing I've read all day. But what do I know? I'm only on my third passport.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/10/2008 10:23:43 PM   
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Along with the USA PATRIOT Act come Executive Orders (by both the current President and some before him) and two other documents that are particulalry frightening - NSPD-51 and HSPD-20. Certainly everything needed to suspend elections and institute martial law is in place. A simple google under either of those will turn up some frightening powers.

I've a bet with a friend, $1 against $100, that we won't have a new Pres come 1/20/09. I've never wanted to lose a bet so much in my life.

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Friends have told me that I am neurotic in that I feel Bush is capable of declaring himself Decider for Life and refusing to leave office in 2009.  Unfortunately, I have felt that Bush is capable of such action for the last several years.  I am therefore unable to list Bush's worst accomplishments since the worst may still await us.  Read the above cited legislation.  Consider the legislation in light of Bush's  actions thus far and be afraid.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/11/2008 12:16:14 AM   
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Vielleicht als Deutsch, Ihren Standpunkt ist schmal, als Sie denken.

Es ist nicht die Bevölkerung der Welt, die bestimmen, ob eine Nation ist stark, es ist der politische Führer.

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I think you are clutching at straws Firm. When a good leader is in power, other leaders and would be leaders want to be seen and associated with that leader. I don't know of any leader, other than Tony Blair who has been proved to be a liar, who ever wanted to be seen with Bush longer than they had to be for the sake of international relations. It has been noticed that international politicians don't name drop him, in fact when you listen to most western leaders, in most cases except when they can't avoid mentioning him, America has long since ceased to have a President. When Clinton was in power, it was quite the opposite. I think that tells you what international leaders think of Bush, about on the par with nothing and maybe less.

Bush has done nothing for American power and prestige, other than diminish it. In fact one Thatcherite cabinet minister from years gone by who was anti-European and who can't be possibly be accused of being anti-American, said Bush made Brussels look an inviting destiniation. Then he went on and said, McCain and Palin make it look like a good place to live. Bush has managed to alienate or at least dishearten, many Atlanticist politicians and McCain's choice of Palin, has got them running for cover.

You are showing as much knowledge of the world beyond American borders and of international relations as Bush. Which on the form of the last eight years, is absolute zero.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/11/2008 12:25:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		As outsider....European.....I see the American president always connect to worldpolitics...hardly ever connected to interaffairs in America. Propably our news is not so much interested in such.
I am curious of you people vote for a president that looks at the world...or more at America?
Do you care about beeing a world power...or do you like to be a happy country.
Just wondering about this..because Bush seemed to focus on the world.
If this is to much offtopic...please ignore it.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/11/2008 12:35:54 AM   
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Do you care about beeing a world power...or do you like to be a happy country.
Just wondering about this..because Bush seemed to focus on the world.
If this is to much offtopic...please ignore it.

D.


If Bush was focusing on the world he missed it.

He told his allies, if they aren't for him, they are against him. He never wanted their views, he just wanted them to fall in line with his vision of the world. He didn't even consider the world might look very different on this side of the Atlantic.

His man Rumsfeld came to Europe and insulted half the continent.

After accusing his allies of being his enemy and then further insulting them by accusing them of being ignorant of the truth (there's a laugh!), he then had the termerity to ask them for help.

When his biggest allies on the continent didn't want US missiles sited on Russia's borders, he broke off group negotiations and decided to have bi-partizan negotiations with the two countries in question, ignoring European concerns that his policies were destabilizing the region.

I'm sure Putin has been laughing his head off at Bush's knack for alienating allies.

Bush's foreign policy has always been for home consumption and not for internation relations, that is why its been such a disaster. Polls in Europe show that more people believe Americans and not the Russians are the biggest danger to peace on the continent.

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/11/2008 8:10:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
Just can't understand the small mindedness and the bittterness of Republicans.

Since its exactly the same as that of the Dems, it should be easy.  Both parties are more interested in making the other party fail than in making America succeed.   To quote another on these boards, "That is the order of things."


No, I don't think it is.

Granted I look at it from a partisan perspective, but it has seemed to me this started in the Reagan years with Falwell and the Moral Majority and escalated into the endless attacks on Clinton and the swiftboat nonsense with Kerry.

This is the first election I have seen when the Democrats have actually gone on the attack.  I hear Republicans complain about how family should be off limits and her daughter getting knocked-up is a family issue.

Maybe true.  But I didn't hear Republicans wondering about the embarrassment to Clinton's daughter and the humiliation of his wife when they needlessly insisted on presenting graphic details of his sexual encounters during the impeachment investigation. 

At least in Palin's case it was a legitimate issue to bring up since her daughter became pregnant after she was on record supporting abstinence-only sex education.

There was no reason to present the details of Clinton's affair other than to politically damage him.  Which they knew would also humiliate his family.  So much for those family values, huh?

Let's talk about the current campaign.  Can you honestly say the Obama campaign has done anything to compare with McCain's camp?  They have been been using misinformation from the start to suggest Obama is Muslim and has ties to terrorism.  When was the last time you saw a VP candidate encouraging a lynch-mob style atmosphere like when people shouted out "kill him" and "terrorist" when Palin spoke of Obama at recent rallies?


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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/11/2008 8:30:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Three good and fine achievements of the Bush administration? Only three?
1) we have now established we know what we know
2) we have now established that we know what we dont know
3) we have now established that we dont know what we dont know
4) huge fall in tiger attacks in all metropolitan areas
5) major strides in promoting domestic tourism throughout the western world
6) much easier access to flight training for immigrants (since repealed)
7) much needed revision to acceptable English grammar and pronunciation
8) huge reduction in the reliance of individuals and businesses on credit finance
9) greatly increased leisure time for overworked manufacturing employees
10) huge increases in multi-cultural awareness of Mexican traditions

This is a record to be proud of. I'll hear no more vilification of this accomplished statesman

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RE: Evaluation of President G. W. Bush! - 10/11/2008 2:12:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rule, the dems have showed just as much small mindedness as the pubs.  They have thrown little temper tantrums in congress where thay tried to block ALL legislation started by the pubs not just the bad ones.  Hillary stated that they would refuse to work with pubs at all.  They are known for the "If we can't get our way then we'll take the ball and glove so nobody can play." 
They are exactly the same in that sense.

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