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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 10:24:42 AM   
Musicmystery


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Barack Husain Obama: Husayn the second son of Ali and Fatima, the grandson of Muhmmad, the founder of Islam. One need only open their eyes to the obvious forthcoming of mass destruction to Christianity and all other religions if the grandson of Muhammad becomes the leader of the most influential country on this planet. Beyond that however, is a documented history of dishonor, untruthfulness untrustworthiness and an across the board disloyalty to the American people. His words and actions precede him.



Don't be silly.

The U.S. is not "the most influential country on this planet" -- Bush has seen to that, and continues the destruction.

And given Christianity's record---hell, maybe he should make destroying it part of his platform. But then, the right wing Christians are already doing such a through job of turning those teachings into a mockery--perhaps a point for Palin.

Seriously, though, I think evangelicals should, in all fairness, not vote in this election. Since they're all going to be taken up in the Rapture during this coming presidential term, they should let all of us left behind choose the leader we deserve.

Once they're gone, maybe we can have real discussions about issues and address real problems.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 10:51:33 AM   
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Those of you who are Mad TV fans will relate.  McCain is resembling the Mike McDonald character who is always ready for a fight (some kind of a biker/hippy type who is always defending "his woman" played by Mo Collins) against imagined come-on's by other males.  He calls them out with tough talk and then initiates a fight... where he slowly slids down the front of his "adversary" as he ends up hitting the tips of his opponant's toes leaving the guy standing there laughing.   Pitiful  ... really pitiful.



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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 11:58:35 AM   
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Well, McCain does bare some responsibility no question, but twice yesterday he stood up for Obama as he should. That is the John McCain of honor not the one we have seen in the last 2 months. I am no McCain supporter as anyone who knows me is quite certain but, I was proud for McCain to do so. It will go to McCain hatred once again from the Hannity's and Limbough's of the world once this is all done. He has pandered to the "base" and in doing so lost himself. He is a good man who doesn't deserve the fate that awaits him. It won't be pretty....
And yet all those commercials that feed these fears with innuendo and lies end with the tag line..."I'm John McCain and I approved this message"....McCain can't have it both ways,saying personally that Obama is a good and honourable man on the one hand while running these ads is duplicotous at best ...


Exactly. A man of honour would pull the adds and create a new one........a great big fat appology.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 12:02:59 PM   
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The only good man in this election is John McCain.  Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.


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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 12:12:26 PM   
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John McCain isn't a man he is an old age mutant ninja turtle.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 1:20:13 PM   
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I was just reading this article. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker
It's very alarming. These people are not even referring to Obama as human, he's "that Obama". It's racial hatred barely concealed. Their only reason for opposing him is because he's African American and has a funny name. They honestly have no idea what his position is on anything, nor do they care. The scary part is that they represent a very large segment of the American population. It's time we break the grip of this kind of secular, narrow thinking, that has given us such a terrible world wide reputation, but I fear it could come with a terrible price if this hate mongering is allowed (encouraged) to flourish.


Interesting.  So one crowd of extremists = a very large segment of the American population. 
 
Sorry, but those that I know and have known in no way reflect the type of mentality you describe here, either in word or action. 
 





It's wonderful that you know such fine people. 

But your point is?

Considering the many news clips being run with supporters at McCain and Palin rallies shouting "kill him" and "terrorist" in reference to Obama, do you believe this was just an isolated incident?

How about the racial slurs directed toward a cameraman just trying to do his job at one rally by these fine people.

Or when the little old lady told McCain that Obama was an Arab.  When McCain tried to defend Obama the crowd booed him at his own town-hall meeting.

Yes, just a small group of extremists that seem to stretch from Florida to New Mexico to Minnesota.



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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 1:22:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chi

Barack Husain Obama: Husayn the second son of Ali and Fatima, the grandson of Muhmmad, the founder of Islam. One need only open their eyes to the obvious forthcoming of mass destruction to Christianity and all other religions if the grandson of Muhammad becomes the leader of the most influential country on this planet. Beyond that however, is a documented history of dishonor, untruthfulness untrustworthiness and an across the board disloyalty to the American people. His words and actions precede him.





Did I miss some posts somewhere?



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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 1:24:35 PM   
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The only good man in this election is John McCain.  Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.



And what was left of the respect I formerly afforded you is now completely gone.

This is beneath you---or at least used to be.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 1:25:44 PM   
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Yes and did you notice the hesitation as that little old lady searched for the word she as looking for to describe what bothered her about Obama...finally settling on....Arab....wonder what other words cycled thru her ignorant mind?
CL just what about the 2008 version of John McCain do you find so manly....the pandering part that led him to pick a neophyte running mate...the weasly part where he refers to Obama as an honorale man at rallys while condoning attack ads out the other side of his mouth.....please explain this as I have lost all respect for the man(BTW I would have voted for him in 2000,sad but true)..

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 2:02:59 PM   
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Owner, you know that there can be no credit given to a republican for standing up for the right thing.   That is against the rules.  Take it back right now.

Nevermind that hell hath no furry like a republican scorned. Imagine if you will, the most extreme partisan attacks on Clinton form repub majorities resulted in actual impeachment articles over a blow job in the oval office.

Now that's the kinda justice I want. (sic)

And, nobody said anything about justice.  You're the one to bring up the patron saint of oral sex.
Perhaps you have failed to notice that I have made a habit of condemning both the Democons and the Republicrats for their actions.  They are so busy trying to make the other side fail that they spend no time trying to make America succeed.  Neither side can seem to give credit to the other when someone does something good. 
Sometimes, it is not neccessary to swing the partisan war club.  It is OK to smile.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 2:25:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: servantheart

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ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

I was just reading this article. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker
It's very alarming. These people are not even referring to Obama as human, he's "that Obama". It's racial hatred barely concealed. Their only reason for opposing him is because he's African American and has a funny name. They honestly have no idea what his position is on anything, nor do they care. The scary part is that they represent a very large segment of the American population. It's time we break the grip of this kind of secular, narrow thinking, that has given us such a terrible world wide reputation, but I fear it could come with a terrible price if this hate mongering is allowed (encouraged) to flourish.


Interesting.  So one crowd of extremists = a very large segment of the American population. 
 
Sorry, but those that I know and have known in no way reflect the type of mentality you describe here, either in word or action. 
 





It's wonderful that you know such fine people. 

But your point is?

Considering the many news clips being run with supporters at McCain and Palin rallies shouting "kill him" and "terrorist" in reference to Obama, do you believe this was just an isolated incident?

How about the racial slurs directed toward a cameraman just trying to do his job at one rally by these fine people.

Or when the little old lady told McCain that Obama was an Arab.  When McCain tried to defend Obama the crowd booed him at his own town-hall meeting.

Yes, just a small group of extremists that seem to stretch from Florida to New Mexico to Minnesota.



There are extremists everywhere and on both sides.  My point is that unless one personally knows each and every person in this country, there is no way to accurately generalize the disgraceful attitude of the ones we saw in those televised rallies to everyone or even the majority of people in the entire U.S.
 
 

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 2:38:09 PM   
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Perhaps the republicans don't like Obama because he is a democrate, and an extreme one at that.  And doesn't have much experience at anything.

And perhapes the democrates don't like McCain because he is a republican, and has integrity.

Either way, you aren't going to get a stanch anything to change parties, Its a waste of time trying. What both parties are doing is going for the independents, and as part of doing that, they point out the worse in the other candidate, and contrast themselves against that.  Unfortunately the worst can be slanted any way they want, and uneducated people will take it as gospel, because they aren't going anywhere else for their info.

Nasty ads leave a bad taste in my mouth, no matter from whom. I would rather see an ad that gives a position and ways of attaining that position. Informative and positive.  Only way to go.

And by the way - the overseas friends could care less about our elections. They have their own nasty politics to deal with. When i lived in NZ, we got little of the american political race - we didn't care particularly, because frankly, it didn't impact on us, except in a done deal kind of way.


No more Kool-Aid for you.



But -    i like kool-aid!!!

especially the cherry! 

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 2:43:08 PM   
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There are extremists everywhere and on both sides.  My point is that unless one personally knows each and every person in this country, there is no way to accurately generalize the disgraceful attitude of the ones we saw in those televised rallies to everyone or even the majority of people in the entire U.S.
 
 


Really?

So tell me, how many Obama or Biden rallies have you heard where people scream out to kill John McCain?

This is the end result of the Moral Majority politics that Republicans have relied on for years.  Don't vote on issues, vote on "values".  And if you don't share my "values" it is not just a disagreement, you are one of the "evildoers".

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 3:02:03 PM   
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Or just "That one"......or to paraphrase "The One"...it gets easier to vilify,if you dehumanise,first step in that process is you don't refer to your target by name....sound familiar?

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 3:57:23 PM   
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It is the sort of divides shown here that are representative of the nation as a whole. Its time for us, the people to look at one another and realize we are in the end all the same. Its not a matter of one man standing up, but many standing and telling the minorities in both "parties" that the disgraceful behavior has to end. Of course most of you will disagree that democrats have shameful actions, but in doing so, you will only prove my point. I am neither a republican nor a democrat, in fact I find the designations outdated and frivolous. I am an American. That is the "party" I lay allegiance to. Have fun tearing this apart, but remember, by doing so, you are proving my point. James 

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 4:07:37 PM   
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And your posting a belief in which you state that any disagreement automaticaly proves your post ....is an example of what ...might i ask?

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 4:07:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

The only good man in this election is John McCain.  Actually, he's the only man in this election at all.



And what was left of the respect I formerly afforded you is now completely gone.

This is beneath you---or at least used to be.



Now, go easy on the boy ... he's witnessing the reality and collapse of his beloved party.  Dreams sometimes die hard.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 4:24:08 PM   
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Never said anything about disagreement. It proves my point that people are dogmatic in their political "beliefs". But of course you'll read something into this statement as well that has nothing to do with what I am saying and I will privately laugh. As for the"example", well yeah, figure it out.


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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 4:28:43 PM   
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General reply -
 
McCain does need to back up and issue a huge apology to the country for the race baiting and hatred that his campaign has sunk into in the past few weeks.  When the campaigns were starting I thought he was an OK guy.  Because of his many poor decisions and the incessant negative attacks, I have lost almost all respect for him.
 
Like a few other posters have mentioned, the way those rallies are going someone is going to get hurt or even killed; whether a staff member, a press person or someone in the audience.
 
They came for a riot and a political rally broke out.  Get the stretchers and the body bags ready, here come the wounded and the dying and the dead.


                                      


Count me as officially and decidedly disgusted by this type of hate mongering!  

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/11/2008 5:26:04 PM   
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rexrgisformidoni I'm reading nothing but what you post....as to your laughing it would seem only fair...considering all the chuckles your post's have afforded me.

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