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RE: A good man stands up - 10/12/2008 8:55:59 AM

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Servantheart it will take but one of these extremist's,possibly stoked up by inflammatory rhetoric to perpetrate a tragedy...and that is why responsible people have an obligation to choose there words carefully when they stand on a large soapbox...Palin responding "boy you guys really get it"is not responsible behavior from someone seeking high office.

Mike, I do agree that those who would lead us should set the example for acceptable behavior. In my opinion, she should have condemned any calls for violence.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/12/2008 8:58:06 AM

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Palin has so much egg on her fact she's starting to look like a big loud omelette.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/12/2008 9:05:03 AM

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Palin has so much egg on her fact she's starting to look like a big loud omelette.

Now there's an interesting visual

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/12/2008 3:05:17 PM

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Well, gosh, you got me there... the guy did live in a house, not in an apartment, It was the Dem HQ and not Hillary's that he shot up. You're right, that makes ALL the difference, doesn't it? The stuff about the books and the TV came from an Earnie Dumas column from the Arkansas Times, the same week as the shooting. I don't know about you, but I've trusted Earnie's journalistic intergrity for years.

The point that LE brought up was that the election is getting ugly to the point of violence. I merely pointed out that it already has. Or, in your opinion, does Mr. Gwantey's death "not really count?"

Ernest Dumas wrote no such article in the Arkansas Times. I read the Arkansas Times regularly, and I did a search at their site for the article you claim was written by Dumas. It doesn't exist. Gwatney was killed August 13th. The Arkansas Times printed 4 stories about the killing betwen August 13th and August 21st. None of those stories were written by Dumas, and none of those stories mentioned Republican authored books or Timothy Dale Johnson's television being tuned to FOX.

What was mentioned is that Johnson had some key chains from Gwatney's auto dealership. Johnson did tend to choose Republican ballots in primaries, but not always. Johnson was an avid gun collector, but was said to be a mediocre shot. Johnson had complaints filed against him by a dental assisstant because of inappropriate advances. Johnson was diagnosed clinically depressed and was prescribed medications for it. What was also mentioned was that the police had no motive for the shooting. Johnson was simply a depressed man with poor social skills. He lost his job, and he snapped. It had nothing to do with election violence, no matter how much you try to make that connection.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/12/2008 5:27:21 PM

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SB4U, don't try to confuse some minds with facts. It is easier to brand everything evil as republican than to face the truth. As unpleasant as it may be for some people, republicans do not hold a monopoly on self serving evil and dems definately don't hold any moral high ground from which to throw stones. Both parties are filled with people who should be culled from society for their failure to participate in the human race.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/12/2008 6:57:33 PM

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SB4U, don't try to confuse some minds with facts. It is easier to brand everything evil as republican than to face the truth. As unpleasant as it may be for some people, republicans do not hold a monopoly on self serving evil and dems definately don't hold any moral high ground from which to throw stones. Both parties are filled with people who should be culled from society for their failure to participate in the human race.

Now now.BiPolar was making a valid point and not throwing all cons into the same box.

His point jives with the opinion piece linked in the OP.

With our history and potential for violence,race relations,the back drop of 9/11 and the wacko right-wing rumor mill that`s been calling Obama a Muslim,terrorist symp,not one of us,etc. for months,McCain should have known better.

McCain must have known about NewsMax,the wacko Christo-fascists, Sean Hannity and Rush and the rest planting this crap in the heads of the easily un-hinged.

So for that reason,he doesn`t get a pass.Even if he saw the light and hushed the vile people yelling out at his rallies.

He doesn`t get to play the nice guy,after feeding into this ugly dark side.

Though he didn`t create this monster,shame on him for sleeping with it .

He`ll be remembered for this,unfortunately.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/12/2008 9:37:08 PM

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I was just reading this article. http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker

It's very alarming. These people are not even referring to Obama as human, he's "that Obama". It's racial hatred barely concealed. Their only reason for opposing him is because he's African American and has a funny name. They honestly have no idea what his position is on anything, nor do they care. The scary part is that they represent a very large segment of the American population. It's time we break the grip of this kind of secular, narrow thinking, that has given us such a terrible world wide reputation, but I fear it could come with a terrible price if this hate mongering is allowed (encouraged) to flourish.

I was saying this on another message board the other day, wondering if anyone could remember ever in our lifetimes seeing another Democratic candidate who was the object of such seething, vitriolic hatred. I certainly don't. To me, the only thing that explains it is racism. It's one of the things that makes me sick sometimes about living in this country. America would be a much better place to live if it weren't infested with so many fucking Americans.

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I know on another thread you made a jest about "witchcraft", but there are many people here who would likely honestly believe that and feel very threatened and frightened by it. Think about it, if they are afraid of Harry Potter, imagine how they twist and turn our current circumstances in their brains to justify an Obama presidency?

Well, you have to remember they're mentally ill. All religious fundamentalists are. Once you look at it that way, it makes it much easier to understand where they're coming from.

There's too much hatred on both sides for issues to ever be settled. About the only thing either party has actually done for America in the last couple of decades was ensure the divides grew deeper. There are people in this country who will vote for Obama because he is black, just as there are those who won't because he isn't. Both sides will scream taunts at each other but what is idiotic about the entire situation is that both positions are racist.

Being one of those people who believe that freedom and equality mean what they mean, and that character and actions tell me much more about a person than skin color or gender, I always find it head-shaking when women line up to vote for women, men line up to vote for men, and candidates are chosen or disqualified because of race. It is incomprehensible to me to judge someone on their gender or race and yet people do it all the time regardless of whether they stamp themselves with a liberal or conservative sticker. One thing I have found mind-numblinly clear though is that when it comes to racism, if you'd flipped the situation with Obama and his pastor over to McCain where he'd spent 20 years with a spiritual advisor who taught hatred towards another race, McCain wouldn't just be out of this election, he would be out of politics completely and branded for life.

What that tells me in nutshell is that people really don't care about the issue. They're really just clinging to the edges looking for every scrap they can find to brand the other as something more horrid.

There's another simple truth. When candidates and their supporters will spend over a billion dollars trying to land a job that in 4 years will return less than 2 million dollars, it's more about pushing their agenda on other folks than actually working for the country. So much effort has gone into identifying the differences in the past couple of decades that a real schism exists in this country between left and right, and what's been lost is the ability to compromise between the two. The reality of politics is that opinion in this country swings back and forth like a pendulum among those voters who often actually elect presidents. Sometimes it swings left, sometimes right and usually comes after one has been in power a while. That's because neither side has the answers and both let the fringe elements within them drive too much of their politics - which is a good reason neither side usually has the answers.

There's only one thing I am complete certain of and that is I'll be glad when the election is over.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/13/2008 4:58:44 AM

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SB4U, don't try to confuse some minds with facts. It is easier to brand everything evil as republican than to face the truth. As unpleasant as it may be for some people, republicans do not hold a monopoly on self serving evil and dems definately don't hold any moral high ground from which to throw stones. Both parties are filled with people who should be culled from society for their failure to participate in the human race.

Now now.BiPolar was making a valid point and not throwing all cons into the same box.

His point jives with the opinion piece linked in the OP.

With our history and potential for violence,race relations,the back drop of 9/11 and the wacko right-wing rumor mill that`s been calling Obama a Muslim,terrorist symp,not one of us,etc. for months,McCain should have known better.

McCain must have known about NewsMax,the wacko Christo-fascists, Sean Hannity and Rush and the rest planting this crap in the heads of the easily un-hinged.

So for that reason,he doesn`t get a pass.Even if he saw the light and hushed the vile people yelling out at his rallies.

He doesn`t get to play the nice guy,after feeding into this ugly dark side.

Though he didn`t create this monster,shame on him for sleeping with it .

He`ll be remembered for this,unfortunately.

One cannot make a valid point with made up facts. I also live in the state where this event occured and SB4U is right. There has been no link to anything 'publican related.
This story doesn't jive with the OP unless he's talking about wacko nutjobs who get fired from Target and kill used car dealers for no apparent reason. As usual, BP wants to make it entirely a 'publican conspiracy to destroy the world. If you haven't noticed the pattern, go back and read a few posts. Unsupported, hate filled, conspiracy claiming, half truths and total fabrications are what caused this and should not be used to support the OP. It is disgraceful.
And, I never gave McCain or anyone else a pass on this one. It is a result of years of hate politics from both sides festering upon rumors spread about Obama. When both sides preach "hate, hate, hate," this is what they should expect. If you don't believe the dems do it, just read posts made on this very board. The sad part is that it is going to get people killed.

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RE: A good man stands up - 10/13/2008 5:34:07 PM

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Owner, you know that there can be no credit given to a republican for standing up for the right thing. That is against the rules. Take it back right now.

Nevermind that hell hath no furry like a republican scorned. Imagine if you will, the most extreme partisan attacks on Clinton form repub majorities resulted in actual impeachment articles over a blow job in the oval office.

Now that's the kinda justice I want. (sic)

And, nobody said anything about justice. You're the one to bring up the patron saint of oral sex.
Perhaps you have failed to notice that I have made a habit of condemning both the Democons and the Republicrats for their actions. They are so busy trying to make the other side fail that they spend no time trying to make America succeed. Neither side can seem to give credit to the other when someone does something good.
Sometimes, it is not neccessary to swing the partisan war club. It is OK to smile.

I agree. Believe it or not, I have tried to be open to new ideas and "change" with respect to this election. I have noted faults I believe in McCain..but have not heard one negative thing about Mr. Obama whose bodily extrusions probably do not even stink.

Both parties have failed the people... a President with a 30% or so popularity rating and a Congress with an even a more dismal 10%. The public is not being served by most of the politicians we pay to represent us...they go to Washington and the system corrupts them and sucks any idealism from well-meaning men and woman. Not all, but enough so that we are in the mess today with a dysfunctional government in the Executive and Legislative branch...and a Supreme Court that now rules our world making laws instead of interpretting the Constitution.

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