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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/13/2008 12:20:00 PM   
slavekal


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Status: offline 		An incredible concept.  Not to be taken lightly.  Milady is not sure that Mistress Ingrid's book is for her, but I may purchase it anyway.  Very curious about her methods.  Goddess Natasha, I admire your profile very much.  That is real male slavery.  I aspire to be that kind of slave.  I wish you success in your search.

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/13/2008 12:36:31 PM   
Rover


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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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“Having a slave is like having an automatic dishwasher: set it up and make it do the work. It is there to serve your needs. If something is not working right take corrective action until it's fixed”

-Ingrid Bellemare


What if the Dominant needs the fixing? 

John


... you mean like the folks in our house who, after being told 6 or 7 times not to, insist on putting plastic forks in the dishwasher that fly around and get caught in the spray-arms and melt on the heating coil???



You presume that was not intentional.  Ha!!!  Caught in the web of your own logic.
 
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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/13/2008 12:39:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessNatasha
I have posted a similar message on other boards and received some interesting replies. I have become interested in an idea put forth by Author/Domme Ingred Bellemare that the only true slave is one who consents at the outset to a non-consensual relationship sustained by his love for his Mistress and cemented by some form of Compulsion. Ingred suggests the compulsion be a set of embarrassing photos/videos of the slave which, he agrees in the beginning, would only be released as a penalty for his default on the slave commitment (contract)

There is a reason why concepts of "twue" slavery are generally met with derision. Author/Domme INgred Bellemare has apparently captured that reason quite nicely.

One might just as well argue that "twue" masters do not need the crutch of compulsion.

For me, the only "true" slave is the one currently kneeling before me (by choice, not by coercion).

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/13/2008 12:55:53 PM   
Lordi71


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Status: offline 		I know this has been said already but surely taking a collar, making the decision to enter into a relationship where there is no consent, is consentual???





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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/13/2008 2:04:08 PM   
CallaFirestormBW


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You presume that was not intentional.  Ha!!!  Caught in the web of your own logic.
 
John


Actually, I suspect that it -is- intentional.. and in a house full of dominant types, clearly indicates that the d-types need some serious fixing. (All except for me, of course. I stack my plastic forks on the counter for someone -else- to wash!).

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/13/2008 4:21:17 PM   
tweedydaddy


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Status: offline 		How can you possibly consent to something non consensual?
That's taking a thick idea to another level that is.

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/14/2008 12:32:45 PM   
masterdstar


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Status: offline 		A single act of consent can be the last consent in a true TPE relationship, all after has nothing to do with choice or rights.
Add to that the two legal ways to enslave someone in this day and age and consent is a thing of the past.
I do so enjoy the photo “blackmail” thingy and it would NEVER be upheld or allowed in court; too much “proof of consent” after those are taken if You are smart about it.

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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/14/2008 9:53:18 PM   
UWILLSERVEUS


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RE: Non-consensual slavery - 10/15/2008 4:27:48 AM   
Rover


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ORIGINAL: masterdstar

A single act of consent can be the last consent in a true TPE relationship, all after has nothing to do with choice or rights.


You're right, a single act of consent can (emphasis added to your quote by me) be the only consent in a TPE relationshp... so long as the submissive/slave consents.  Because they're always free to leave the relationship if they don't consent (just try to stop them and see how quickly you wind up in jail).  So while you may (mistakenly) view their consent as finite (ie: consent ends when they give consent), it's really a continual consent for the entire duration of the relationship.  A consent that can be revoked at any time.

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Add to that the two legal ways to enslave someone in this day and age and consent is a thing of the past.


Just for the record, and so we have the same understanding... what are the two legal ways to enslave someone these days?

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I do so enjoy the photo “blackmail” thingy and it would NEVER be upheld or allowed in court; too much “proof of consent” after those are taken if You are smart about it.


Actually, you don't understand the legal issues regarding consent.  In the absence of a legally binding document (and this situation can not meet that standard), consent can be revoked at any time.  By way of example, a woman can consent to sex... you can begin to actually engage in intercourse...  and she can revoke her consent.  If you continue, you're engaging in rape.
 
I'm not telling you what to do, but you might find it helpful to better understand your legal rights, liabilities and responsibilities in order to avoid the increased exposure inherent to BDSM.
 
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