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MsAuthoritarian -> Supremacy (10/12/2008 10:59:01 AM)
I am inundated daily with emails from men that subscribe to female supremacy in spite having it listed as a hard limit. I have always known that male and female supremacy existed; however, on the Internet it appears to be the norm rather than the exception which I find fascinating. I find supremacy no matter the type (gender, race, etc.) to be the absolute most pathetic set of beliefs’ I have ever encountered. To ride on the coat tails of some theory of global power based on something that the person is born (male/female, white/black, etc.) rather than having any person power themselves is completely laughable yet very sad. My theory is that those that subscribe to any type of supremacy are weak, insecure and “need” something to grasp onto to do a few things: 1. To make them feel powerful instead of the reality that they are weak. 2. To justify their desire to be submissive to another. 3. To make them feel more important than they really are. 4. To make themselves feel better about their pathetic existence. 5. To avoid having to take personal responsibility for their choices in life as they were “born” to be X, Y or Z. The list could really go on and on. As negatively as I think about supremacy I also feel very sad for those that subscribe to it. I think they are missing out on having a happier and healthier life that is filled with higher self-esteem, self-confidence, personal strength, personal responsibility, etc. For those of you that is anti-supremacy what are your theories as to why people subscribe to it? For those that believe in supremacy is it possible that you are simply grasping at straws to fill some void within yourself? Ms Authoritarian

RealSub58 -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 11:16:10 AM)
Most interesting post. Especially in light of the fact that I read more domme, ma'am, mistress, goddess profiles calling what they want in a partner "worthless shit."

DesFIP -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 12:27:43 PM)
I don't find supremacy being the norm. And I object on moral grounds to saying that one gender is better than another, or one race, or religion for that matter. Bigotry is bigotry from where I stand.

Rover -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 1:06:50 PM)
I certainly don't find gender based supermacy to be "the norm" at all. Even amongst its enthusiasts (and they can be quite assertive), I believe the term doesn't accurately reflect their meaning. I believe most of them limit their use of the term to their own relationship, and that very few of them actually believe one gender or the other to be "supreme". At its worst, it's just another example of BDSM playing around the fringes of fantasy portrayed as reality. At its best, it's just an exaggeration. John

DesFIP -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 1:10:49 PM)
Not always fantasy or in their own relationships John. I remember a male sub stating that he fulfills requests from female coworkers and superiors immediately but doesn't bother to respond to the male coworkers. Simply because he did believe that all women are superior.

Rover -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 1:14:17 PM)
But believing it does not make it true. It's no more true for a slave than it is for hate mongers who believe themselves superior because of race or ethnicity. John

Usako -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 1:38:30 PM)
Female supremacy is a HUGE turn off. It's one of the reasons I hate if a sub/slave calls me a goddess. I don't think I'm some diety nor do I think I'm better than him because I was born with a vagina. Anytime I hear some guy on CM go on and on how women are so much better than men I want to vomit on my keyboard. I think it's a serious problem to think one gender/race/religion/whatever is better than the other for no justified reason. Now, maybe if all women has super strength, could fly and cause Earth quakes I'd have to consider us superior. lol But we're the same as any man, just we're cursed to bleed once a month and pop out babies. I don't know why so many think that way. I've never been able to stand a man like that long enough to ask. I would assume it's a fantasy gone too far, especially if one actually submits to any women no matter what and treats men like dirt.

lateralist1 -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 2:51:04 PM)
I think that possibly some of the whole set of ideas around female supremacy is born from good old fashioned ideas about men caring for women. Some men want to care for us so why not let them? I'm a fairly independent sort of woman I've had to be but I am quite happy to be cared for as long as it's not smothering. Another set of ideas is about sexuality. Some men want to lie back and enjoy it lol. Which is fine as long as that's what the woman wants him to do. Some men think that they are not really a lot of use to a woman so they are happy to take on a menial role that they can do well rather than learning how to be worthy. It's easier and some men like to take the easy way out. I'm really quite happy for all men to see me as superior. It means I can then get on with what I want to do rather than having to deal with all the mundane tasks that some men see as beneath them or as women's work. Wouldn't you? As long as I don't begin to believe it of myself. Sure I'm better at a lot of things than almost all men but then there are a lot of things that almost all men are better at than me. All I know is that I'm only happy in a relationship when I'm in control of it. I think a lot of women are like that and sensible men have figured that out. If I see a man as unworthy of me then why would I get involved with him? And if he sees me as unworthy of him why would he get involved with me? Of course lots of men do get involved with women who they see as unworthy of them. That's their problem and they suffer the consequences or rather usually make the woman suffer. But then personal integrity isn't something that some men place high on their list of personal attributes. I just prefer the ones that do place it highly. I may very well be grasping at straws to fill some need in myself. In fact that sounds extremely likely. But in my defense I've been doing life the hard way for a very long time. So I don't turn down help anymore. It actually feels very nice to have someone who cares for me. Instead of it always being the other way around. If he cares just because I'm a woman that's ok by me. Maybe you have plenty of people who care about you. I don't. I hope you find what you need

MsAuthoritarian -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 3:26:28 PM)
lateralist1, Caring and being cared for, does not mean that a gender is superior. I seriously hope you see a therapist to work on your issues with men, self-esteem, etc. Seriously. Caring is not about supremacy it is about everything else but that. Authority is given based on who the person is, as a person, not their gender, race, etc. To think that gender has anything to do with it really is a sad place to be. I hope you get the help you need to work through those issues. Good Luck, Ms Authoritarian

MsAuthoritarian -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 4:08:46 PM)
John, A few thoughts: 1. When it comes to those that contact me on the Internet, yes, supremacy seems to be the norm rather than the exception. 2. I have questioned many believers of supremacy and many have stated the only within their relationship; however, upon further digging I was told that saying that is an attempt to avoid confrontation over their actual beliefs. Some have stated, It sounds better when it is made personal rather than a statement of how things are for everyone. 3. I was asked to join a female supremacy group in real life but I declined though I waited until after I had a chance to question a few of the members. They also said the buzz phrase for the general public was, “just within our own relationships”; however, they followed that with all their so called reasons why women are superior, to which anyone with a brain could counter with the same number of reasons why men are superior if they wanted to go that route. 4. I find it hard to believe that what they really mean is simply that they are the boss in their relationship since they bring gender and supremacy based on gender into it. I think it is one thing to play a fantasy of all ‘insert gender or race here’ but the base concept of supremacy based on gender or anything else is just pathetic in my op lol I do agree and second, "But believing it does not make it true" ;) ~Ms

RedMagic1 -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 6:58:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsAuthoritarian 1. When it comes to those that contact me on the Internet, yes, supremacy seems to be the norm rather than the exception. Yeah, well, Internet supremacy would indicate that I am superior to you, because I have 1800 posts and you have a mere 25. I wouldn't put much stock in wankeristic fantasy worlds. If you do a search in the Ask A Mistress forum, you'll find that the vast (vast vast) majority of femdoms and malesubs there think that female supremacy is ridiculous. It is true there are a great many female dominant profiles on this site -- yanno, the ones with bikini pics of the 19-24 year old domme$ -- that engage in verbal humiliation from jump. I think some guys who message you probably think that's just what is expected of them, and are trying to fit in.

Rover -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 7:42:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsAuthoritarian John, A few thoughts: 1. When it comes to those that contact me on the Internet, yes, supremacy seems to be the norm rather than the exception. I have every reason to believe your characterization of your own mail (I know you, and you're not prone to exaggeration). quote: 2. I have questioned many believers of supremacy and many have stated the only within their relationship; however, upon further digging I was told that saying that is an attempt to avoid confrontation over their actual beliefs. Some have stated, It sounds better when it is made personal rather than a statement of how things are for everyone. Please send them to me so I can disabuse them of the notion. :) Beginning with the fact that supreme beings of any sort do not feel the need to hide themselves from the opinions of others. quote: 3. I was asked to join a female supremacy group in real life but I declined though I waited until after I had a chance to question a few of the members. They also said the buzz phrase for the general public was, “just within our own relationships”; however, they followed that with all their so called reasons why women are superior, to which anyone with a brain could counter with the same number of reasons why men are superior if they wanted to go that route. Just goes to show that the easily swayed can find reason for supremacy in a bag of chips, if they are so disposed. quote: 4. I find it hard to believe that what they really mean is simply that they are the boss in their relationship since they bring gender and supremacy based on gender into it. I think it is one thing to play a fantasy of all ‘insert gender or race here’ but the base concept of supremacy based on gender or anything else is just pathetic in my op lol As a personal relationship dynamic, I certainly have no issue with what people do. Beyond that it just goes to show that even the most challenged amongst us can find some contrived reason to feel superior. How inferior of them. John

MsAuthoritarian -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 7:50:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover As a personal relationship dynamic, I certainly have no issue with what people do. Beyond that it just goes to show that even the most challenged amongst us can find some contrived reason to feel superior. How inferior of them. John AMEN!!!! lol [:D][;)]

rick19 -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 8:17:21 PM)
MsAuthoritarian, I totally agree with your post and I think it is very well written. A lot of Dommes on this site portray themselves as man haters, and reading your post was like a breath of fresh air.

leadership527 -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 8:18:06 PM)
My theory is that there are two choices: (a) It's a part of kinky fantasy play in which case hey, sounds wonderful or whatnot. (b) They actually believe it in which case they are the same sort of trash the human race has been afflicted with throughout time. Nothing new there. Besides, We all know it's rubbish anyway. "J" supremacy is where it's at. It's clearly obvious that all people who's first name starts with "J" are superior in all ways. ~Jeff

miss8understood -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 9:32:09 PM)
supremacy = pretension = elitism ? are they all wrong, really?

stella41b -> RE: Supremacy (10/12/2008 10:26:53 PM)
I love these gender based supremacy discussions because I can just come in here, cause a bit of confusion, and blow a few arguments out of the water. Being transgendered where do I sit? On the fence? On the floor?

RCdc -> RE: Supremacy (10/13/2008 2:30:18 AM)
I am neither pro nor anti. It's a fantasy that some people enjoy. It's all cool. No need to get upset morally or ethically as it does not have an impact on me. For those that participate, kudos for them. the.dark.

MmeGigs -> RE: Supremacy (10/13/2008 8:01:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsAuthoritarian For those of you that is anti-supremacy what are your theories as to why people subscribe to it? If I'm anti-something, aren't my theories about why people subscribe to it suspect? Kinda like atheists' theories about why people are religious or homophobes' theories about why people are gay. If I come from an "anti" point of view, my theories are going to reflect my biases, not the believers' reality.

ranja -> RE: Supremacy (10/13/2008 8:03:32 AM)
what is wrong with someone wanting to be worshipped like a god and someone willing to do the worshipping? I say let m get on with it I thought we're all into stuff that is considered out of the norm here are we going to draw lines as to how Dominant and how submissive is still acceptable? And when you have to go to a counsilor?

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